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PC sales fall to lowest level since 2007, analysts hope for 2016 recovery


2015 was another year of bad news for the PC market, with sales falling significantly compared with 2014. That’s the conclusion from multiple analyses, and there’s only a modest prediction of near-term recovery.

According to Gartner, PC sales in the fourth quarter fell to 75.7 million units, down 8.3% from Q4 2014. Total shipments in 2015 were 288.7 million units, an 8% decline from 2014. IDC reports that total shipments in Q4 were 71.9 million, total 2015 sales were south of 300 million for the first time since 2008, and the decline year-on-year was larger, at 9.8%.

The PC market hit its Zenith in 2011, with a total of 352.8 million units shipped that year. In the four years since, PC sales have fallen by nearly 20% — an enormous decline for an industry that had previously enjoyed decades of growth.



As for the cause, the above image makes the link in stark terms. As sales of iPads, iPhones, and Android devices exploded, the PC market began to shrink rapidly. (Android devices aren’t shown above, but smartphones and tablets began to take off in this period.)


Image courtesy of IDC

Thus far, most market research has suggested that people aren’t dumping PCs, but they aren’t upgrading them very often, either. Sales of every vendor fell, save for Apple, which eked out a modest 2.8% gain. Some, like Palmer Lucky of Oculus, have argued that technologies like VR could revolutionize the PC industry and push people back towards the platform while simultaneously giving them a reason to upgrade.

The latest decline has been blamed on Microsoft’s free Windows 10 upgrade, and IDC expects that sales will pick up this year as businesses begin migrating to Windows 10. The iPad Pro may have siphoned off some sales (it’s not clear), and even sales in the Asia-Pacific region declined, after years of growth.

Whether PC sales in the consumer market will begin recovering is a very open question. We’ve heard rumors that the smartphone market is slowing down, even for Apple. In theory, that could mean consumers turn back to PCs and begin making upgrades on 4-6 year-old hardware. It might also mean that consumers simply don’t upgrade their hardware, and opt instead for a high-end modern tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard.

After years of decline, I’m skeptical that we’re about to see a major uptick. Business upgrades will drive sales and might prevent a further drop for 12-36 months, but if consumers don’t hop back on the PC-buying bandwagon, it won’t be enough to stabilize sales long-term. As someone who is still computing on a 2011-era CPU (I’ve upgraded the GPU several times), I’m not sure if Intel or AMD will field a product compelling enough to justify an upgrade from Sandy Bridge-E. Over the past four years, as we’ve met with companies like Intel and AMD, their marketing presentations have moved from emphasizing a 2-3 year upgrade cycle, to a 5-8 year upgrade cycle. At some point, the PC industry will have to face the fact that many users may simply never upgrade.
 
that sucks for PC makers.

I bought my HP Pavilion in the summer of 2010 quad core AMD processor with 6GB ram, and have just been upgrading since

upgraded the PSU to a Evga 500 Watt
upgraded the GPU to a Zotac GTX 560

been planning on getting a SSD, but haven't pulled the trigger yet on that.
 
that sucks for PC makers.

I bought my HP Pavilion in the summer of 2010 quad core AMD processor with 6GB ram, and have just been upgrading since

upgraded the PSU to a Evga 500 Watt
upgraded the GPU to a Zotac GTX 560

been planning on getting a SSD, but haven't pulled the trigger yet on that.
Unless you just surf the net ,I bet you are due for upgrade. Is your 2010 pc's motherboard technically good enuf to support the upgrade? Most of the time I have observed that any upgrade not done within first 2 years is not worth it.


By the way to increase PC consumption microsoft has to release more cpu hogging software that might increase the sales. But with most of the apps going online onto the web, I believe we just need a interface to connect to it.
 
Unless you just surf the net ,I bet you are due for upgrade. Is your 2010 pc's motherboard technically good enuf to support the upgrade? Most of the time I have observed that any upgrade not done within first 2 years is not worth it.


By the way to increase PC consumption microsoft has to release more cpu hogging software that might increase the sales. But with most of the apps going online onto the web, I believe we just need a interface to connect to it.


I can do a lot with this PC still. I f i didn't upgrade the PSU+GPU I wouldn't be able to play any intensive games. the motherboard it came with it had the right things to upgrade, but I could only upgrade to a first gen Phenom X4 for the CPU, but that wouldn't be worth it in my opinion.

only thing I really need is a SSD. It takes like 5 minutes to load Battlefield 4 :rofl:
 
sales might be falling but things are quite good in the gamer/enthusiast markets, the PC will never die.
 
I can do a lot with this PC still. I f i didn't upgrade the PSU+GPU I wouldn't be able to play any intensive games. the motherboard it came with it had the right things to upgrade, but I could only upgrade to a first gen Phenom X4 for the CPU, but that wouldn't be worth it in my opinion.

only thing I really need is a SSD. It takes like 5 minutes to load Battlefield 4 :rofl:
thats cool you can still play BF4, how much fps? But you must be having PATA connectors right? that will still fall short of required bus speed to load faster say when compared to SATA. One good thing is you can still use the SSD even if you get a new system.
 
been planning on getting a SSD, but haven't pulled the trigger yet on that.
You should. Once you do SSD, you will never want anything less.

Here is my linux box:

sda = /boot ssd
sdb = /home ssd
sdc = /var and /tmp hdd
sdd = /work hdd

All are 2.5 form factor. The price point for ssd is low enough that it is affordable even for the casual PC user, not just the hardcore gamer, which I am not. For the average consumer, longevity is more important than speed. It is when you are moving billions of dollars per hr or simulating volcanic eruptions that high end ssds are justifiable. As for brands, I recommend Crucial or Samsung as first tier vendors. Second tier are Sandisk and Toshiba. Everyone else are third tier and you take your chances.
 
You should. Once you do SSD, you will never want anything less.

Here is my linux box:

sda = /boot ssd
sdb = /home ssd
sdc = /var and /tmp hdd
sdd = /work hdd

All are 2.5 form factor. The price point for ssd is low enough that it is affordable even for the casual PC user, not just the hardcore gamer, which I am not. For the average consumer, longevity is more important than speed. It is when you are moving billions of dollars per hr or simulating volcanic eruptions that high end ssds are justifiable. As for brands, I recommend Crucial or Samsung as first tier vendors. Second tier are Sandisk and Toshiba. Everyone else are third tier and you take your chances.


I see.

http://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Inte...srs=11455905011&ie=UTF8&qid=1453705577&sr=8-6


I was thinking about getting this one, but I have never heard of KingDian.
 
I see.

http://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Inte...srs=11455905011&ie=UTF8&qid=1453705577&sr=8-6


I was thinking about getting this one, but I have never heard of KingDian.

get this one, best price to quality ratio you will ever find for an SSD just get it before sale ends or wait for another sale

Samsung SSDs go on sale very often

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-I...F8&qid=1453707852&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+SSD

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...el-since-2007-analysts-hope-for-2016-recovery

PC sales fall to lowest level since 2007, analysts hope for 2016 recovery


2015 was another year of bad news for the PC market, with sales falling significantly compared with 2014. That’s the conclusion from multiple analyses, and there’s only a modest prediction of near-term recovery.

According to Gartner, PC sales in the fourth quarter fell to 75.7 million units, down 8.3% from Q4 2014. Total shipments in 2015 were 288.7 million units, an 8% decline from 2014. IDC reports that total shipments in Q4 were 71.9 million, total 2015 sales were south of 300 million for the first time since 2008, and the decline year-on-year was larger, at 9.8%.

The PC market hit its Zenith in 2011, with a total of 352.8 million units shipped that year. In the four years since, PC sales have fallen by nearly 20% — an enormous decline for an industry that had previously enjoyed decades of growth.



As for the cause, the above image makes the link in stark terms. As sales of iPads, iPhones, and Android devices exploded, the PC market began to shrink rapidly. (Android devices aren’t shown above, but smartphones and tablets began to take off in this period.)


Image courtesy of IDC

Thus far, most market research has suggested that people aren’t dumping PCs, but they aren’t upgrading them very often, either. Sales of every vendor fell, save for Apple, which eked out a modest 2.8% gain. Some, like Palmer Lucky of Oculus, have argued that technologies like VR could revolutionize the PC industry and push people back towards the platform while simultaneously giving them a reason to upgrade.

The latest decline has been blamed on Microsoft’s free Windows 10 upgrade, and IDC expects that sales will pick up this year as businesses begin migrating to Windows 10. The iPad Pro may have siphoned off some sales (it’s not clear), and even sales in the Asia-Pacific region declined, after years of growth.

Whether PC sales in the consumer market will begin recovering is a very open question. We’ve heard rumors that the smartphone market is slowing down, even for Apple. In theory, that could mean consumers turn back to PCs and begin making upgrades on 4-6 year-old hardware. It might also mean that consumers simply don’t upgrade their hardware, and opt instead for a high-end modern tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard.

After years of decline, I’m skeptical that we’re about to see a major uptick. Business upgrades will drive sales and might prevent a further drop for 12-36 months, but if consumers don’t hop back on the PC-buying bandwagon, it won’t be enough to stabilize sales long-term. As someone who is still computing on a 2011-era CPU (I’ve upgraded the GPU several times), I’m not sure if Intel or AMD will field a product compelling enough to justify an upgrade from Sandy Bridge-E. Over the past four years, as we’ve met with companies like Intel and AMD, their marketing presentations have moved from emphasizing a 2-3 year upgrade cycle, to a 5-8 year upgrade cycle. At some point, the PC industry will have to face the fact that many users may simply never upgrade.

PC sales are falling because its a lot cheaper to just build your own plus there are companies that can also build up a PC for you , I don't know whether those count as PC sales since they just set it up for you and don't sell branded PCs
 
get this one, best price to quality ratio you will ever find for an SSD just get it before sale ends or wait for another sale

Samsung SSDs go on sale very often

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-I...F8&qid=1453707852&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+SSD



PC sales are falling because its a lot cheaper to just build your own plus there are companies that can also build up a PC for you , I don't know whether those count as PC sales since they just set it up for you and don't sell branded PCs


but is it $25 dollars better :azn: than the KingDian. also the speed is kinda irrelevant to me since my motherboard only supports Sata II. so any modern SSD will hit the 300 MB/s limit, which is fine with me since that still blows away what my main HDD and backup HDD are benchmarking,


WD is benching 35 MB/s and the Seagate 77 MB/s :cry:
 
PC sales are falling because its a lot cheaper to just build your own plus there are companies that can also build up a PC for you , I don't know whether those count as PC sales since they just set it up for you and don't sell branded PCs

Building your own pc for a cheaper price is nothing new. I bought a Gateway computer around 1993 and that was the last desktop I ever bought. Back then computers didn't come with 3D graphics cards (and not much RAM) so if you were a gamer you had to buy it yourself and hope your stock case had room (the cards were gargantuan) . So pretty much a high percentage of gamers ended up building their own machines simply out of necessity. It probably wasn't until Dell and Alienware started offering cards in their machines that other makers made them standard.
 
I see.

http://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Inte...srs=11455905011&ie=UTF8&qid=1453705577&sr=8-6


I was thinking about getting this one, but I have never heard of KingDian.
No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...No...!!!

Tier One sellers are Tier One for a reason: Their products are consistently top quality according to outside testing.

On a wafer, not every die (chip) is perfect. That is just a manufacturing fact of life. If a wafer have 300 dies, a percentage will be less than designed. This is called 'good die yield'. This can be expressed as the ratio of units passed (UPAS) vs units in (UIN) or in percentage figure: 94%. This figure WILL NOT be available to the public. Pretty much company secret.

So assume that a 300 dies wafer have a 250 dies UPAS. What happened to the other 50 dies ?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ng_fully_and_partially_patterned_dies.svg.png

If you look at the above image, you will see some green dies (squares) that are at the edge of the wafer. Those are called 'edge dies' and they are often failed dies. They failed because they are partially formed. At the Assembly/Package stage, edge dies are ignored. So a percentage of the 50 failed dies comes from edge dies.

Let us assume that out of the 50 failed dies, 25 are edge dies that are failed dies anyway. This leave us with 25 failed dies.

These 25 failed dies are not exactly bad dies as in not functional. They actually do work, as in accepting and retaining data. But what happened is that their actual capacity is not as originally designed. If a die is supposed to be 64gb in capacity, after all attempts at repairs, these dies have 32gb or 16gb or even less. So at the Assembly/Package stage, they are extracted, assigned whatever lower capacity, and usually sold at a loss.

Sometimes during manufacturing, a robot may have problems and screw up a wafer that will produce mostly bad dies. Sometimes a chemical mixture may be at the wrong temperature. Sometimes a vapor deposition oven may have too high/low a voltage. There are plenty of possibilities where things could go wrong, from wafer start all the way to back end, that will produce lower good dies yield.

Go back to our exammple wafer that have 250 good dies...

Who gets to buy those 250 good dies ? That is where the bidding begins. Samsung manufactures its own SSD using its own wafers. So of those 250 good dies, 200 will go into its own SSD lines. The other 50 good dies will go to other CONTRACTED buyers who make their own SSDs.

300 dies
Minus 50 failed or lower capacity dies.

250 tier one dies
Minus 200 for self.

50 tier one dies to contracted buyers.

So who buys the lowered tier dies to put in their SSDs ? I do not know and do not care. If you buy from unknown SSD and/or flash drive seller, there is no way to know if that seller is a contracted Tier One product customer.

All the SSDs in my PCs are Crucial brand. Crucial Tech is a Micron subsidiary and Micron is an established memory manufacturer, from DRAM to NAND to lesser known memory types. Micron can re-start a memory product that maybe 20 or 30 yrs old, even for a limited run, if a customer want it and is willing to pay for that re-start. This is why contractors to the US military and NASA loves Micron.

If your data is important enough, pay for Tier One products.
 
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