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If she wins..that means NS again going back to PM house :( and baji too :(

I highly doubt her entrance to PM house as PM, at least not before 2018. Her candidature at this point in time depicts the level of fear to lose, anything other than a Sharif may fall in NA 120.
 
I highly doubt her entrance to PM house as PM, at least not before 2018. Her candidature at this point in time depicts the level of fear to lose, anything other than a Sharif may fall in NA 120.

I think ..ke Kulsoom Nawaz ke...is waqt ..election contest karnay ka maqsad hi PM banaana hai..after 45 days... And showing middle finger to instituitions ke NS phir PM house pohanch jaye...

Do u think...tht SC can interefere...agar Nawaz Sharif dobara PM house pohanch jaye...through kulsoom Nawaz?
 
I highly doubt her entrance to PM house as PM, at least not before 2018. Her candidature at this point in time depicts the level of fear to lose, anything other than a Sharif may fall in NA 120.

Sir have you watched the video I have shared earlier?

People in this constituency will elect a donkey or a dog on PMLN ticket.
 
Sir have you watched the video I have shared earlier?

People in this constituency will elect a donkey or a dog on PMLN ticket.

Kulsoom Nawaz ko sazish kar ke hi hataana paray ga...

Already Nawaz Sharif is accusing instituitions of doing conspiracy against him... Tu ab tu sazish kar hi dein...
 
:lol::lol::lol:

Nahi... Sirf baji nahi... Abba ka bhi masla hai:lol:

NS ko ab dobara PM house nahi pohanchna chahye :( koi Kulsoom Nawaz ko jeetnay se roko :(

Kuchh new cheezain line main aagaeen inn ke khilaaf tou maza aayega.. Mujhay lag raha hai ke Kulsoom Nawaz ke khilaaf bhi kuch na kuchh aanay wala hoga..

Mujhay sirf aeeini tarmeem se dar hai.. ke like President, PM will also have "istasna" in future. And Disqualification on any ground shall not be permanent.
 
There is no discussion

1- Criminal charges need to be filed on Nawaz Sharif Enterprise
2- Family need to be put in Jail for failiure to file taxes properly
3- Assets need to be locked down
4- All PML (Nawazistan) need to be investigated in tribuneral
5- Model town massacare needs to be opened and closed in 14 day investigation
6 - We need to track who benefittted from Mega corruption in power projects
 
I think ..ke Kulsoom Nawaz ke...is waqt ..election contest karnay ka maqsad hi PM banaana hai..after 45 days... And showing middle finger to instituitions ke NS phir PM house pohanch jaye...

Do u think...tht SC can interefere...agar Nawaz Sharif dobara PM house pohanch jaye...through kulsoom Nawaz?

Dekho itna asaan nahi hota party mein faisla kerna, bohat see cheezain dekhna parti hein. PMLN NS ke party hy per iska matlab yeh nahi ky NS jo bhi kahay ga ya karay ga accept ho jai ga party mein, Kalsoom Nawaz ko SS group bilkul accept nahi kare ga under current circumstances.

Sir have you watched the video I have shared earlier?

People in this constituency will elect a donkey or a dog on PMLN ticket.

Jee I watched the video, don't know what to say, extremely sad state of affairs. Hasna chehyay ya rona, don't know!
 
Kulsoom Nawaz ko sazish kar ke hi hataana paray ga...

Already Nawaz Sharif is accusing instituitions of doing conspiracy against him... Tu ab tu sazish kar hi dein...

Saazish tou huee hai Nawaz ke khilaaf.. :lol:

Kis ne ki hai aur kis level pe huee hai.. iss ka nahi pata..
 
Kuchh new cheezain line main aagaeen inn ke khilaaf tou maza aayega.. Mujhay lag raha hai ke Kulsoom Nawaz ke khilaaf bhi kuch na kuchh aanay wala hoga..

Mujhay sirf aeeini tarmeem se dar hai.. ke like President, PM will also have "istasna" in future. And Disqualification on any ground shall not be permanent.

Main sirf filhaal 21st august ka intezar karrahi hun.. Justice Ijazul Ahsan ko bhi abhi hi vacations par jaana tha :( aur Justice Ejaz Afaal bhi pata nahi...kahan ghayb hogaye hain? :(

Constituitional ammendment se mujhe itna dar nahi hai.. SC strike down karsakti hai.. I have faith in current SC judges... MashaAllah..NS ne humara kaam bhtt asaan kar diya hai..judges ko bura bhala bol kar.. Sab ko hi apnay against kar liya hoga..
 
Kulsoom Nawaz ko sazish kar ke hi hataana paray ga...

Already Nawaz Sharif is accusing instituitions of doing conspiracy against him... Tu ab tu sazish kar hi dein...

A wrong doesn't yield a right, establishment should stay away from this.

Waise Hamza might conjure something, he's not in good books of begum sahiba since the defeat of Mohsin Latif in PP-147.
 
Saazish tou huee hai Nawaz ke khilaaf.. :lol:

Kis ne ki hai aur kis level pe huee hai.. iss ka nahi pata..

Top level par nahi hui hogi....i am sure...

Abhi sazish ka level thora barhaanay ki zuroorat hai..

Waisy ye NS ki speeches par jo petition file hui hai..SC main.. Dekhtay hain ke woh kis bench ke pass jati hai?

Agar Justice Khosa ke pass chali gayi tu phir...maza aayega bhtt :lol::lol::lol:

Waisy tu ab lagta hai ke almost saaray hi judges achay hain SC main.. Kisi ke pass bhi chali jaye..bas jaldi hearing ke liye fix hojaye ye petition
Agar iski speeches bhi Altaf hussain ki tarah ban hogayi tu :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

A wrong doesn't yield a right, establishment should stay away from this.

Waise Hamza might conjure something, he's not in good books of begum sahiba since the defeat of Mohsin Latif in PP-147.

Establishment kuch karay ya na karay...blame tu NS karay ga hi...

Bas Kulsoom Nawaz ko haraany ki zuroorat hai..ke inka ghuroor khaak main mil jaye.. Baad main tu ye khud hi apni harkaton se jail main chalay jayein ge.. Us main kisi ko kuch karnay ki zuroorat nahi hogi...

Ya phir Hamza hi kuch kar ley.. Lekin mujhe nahi lagta ke Hamza ya phir Shahbaz Sharif main bhi itni himmat hai..family ke against jaanay ki...ya internal revolt karnay ki
 
Top level par nahi hui hogi....i am sure...

Abhi sazish ka level thora barhaanay ki zuroorat hai..

Waisy ye NS ki speeches par jo petition file hui hai..SC main.. Dekhtay hain ke woh kis bench ke pass jati hai?

Agar Justice Khosa ke pass chali gayi tu phir...maza aayega bhtt :lol::lol::lol:

Waisy tu ab lagta hai ke almost saaray hi judges achay hain SC main.. Kisi ke pass bhi chali jaye..bas jaldi hearing ke liye fix hojaye ye petition
Agar iski speeches bhi Altaf hussain ki tarah ban hogayi tu :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:



Establishment kuch karay ya na karay...blame tu NS karay ga hi...

Bas Kulsoom Nawaz ko haraany ki zuroorat hai..ke inka ghuroor khaak main mil jaye.. Baad main tu ye khud hi apni harkaton se jail main chalay jayein ge.. Us main kisi ko kuch karnay ki zuroorat nahi hogi...

Ya phir Hamza hi kuch kar ley.. Lekin mujhe nahi lagta ke Hamza ya phir Shahbaz Sharif main bhi itni himmat hai..family ke against jaanay ki...ya internal revolt karnay ki

I think PTI will be having a tough time here ...

I thing they need to connect with Jamaat and PAT ...

By the way PTI door to door campaign is really good ... I dont understand why PTI never worked on something like this on Karachi ? there is a huge gap and they can brag some 8 to 10 seats if start working now ... These 8 to 10 seats will have a big impact and actual weight of these seats will be much more ...
 
@PakSword @Zibago @The Accountant @Emmie

A must read article

The decline will be televised

Saad Rasool

The decline of a man, his political clique, political culture, and political time, is being televised, live, across Pakistan.

At the time of writing this piece, the long (and futile) journey of Mr.
Nawaz Sharif, has entered into its final stages.
His caravan of supporters, dwindling in parts, has just entered the territorial limits of Lahore.
And still, even at this penultimate moment, before whatever will be his final speech at the feet of Badshahi Mosque, there are no signs of success in PML-N’s quest to restore Mr.
Nawaz Sharif to the echelons of political power.

It is important to trace Mr.
Sharif’s journey to this moment, where he seems nothing more than a tired man, who has lost his political punch as well as all semblance of democratic ethics.
It is pertinent to ask why Mr.
Sharif finds himself politically isolated today (even in the midst of thousands of supporters).
It is essential to understand what would bring a man like Mr.
Sharif, who has been the very heart of Pakistan’s status quo for almost four decades, to say that he has been targeted by some undefined conspiracy, which stretched from the shores of Panama to the cathedrals of justice and khaki doors of Rawalpindi.

But before addressing these issues, it is first necessary to analyze the transition in Mr.
Nawaz Sharif’s rhetoric over the past several days – ever since he started this circus journey from Islamabad to Lahore.

During the initial days of disqualification, while traveling between Changla Gali and Islamabad, Mr.
Sharif had been (erroneously) told that his popularity was enough to overwhelm State institutions.
That if he went to the public, through the GT Road, his reception would be a spectacle that uproots the foundations of our Constitution.
And that the establishment – in particular the army and the judiciary – will have no choice but to restore him somehow… even if that means overturning all established cannons of jurisprudence and statecraft.
That he did not need to directly criticize these institutions… because the public pressure, in itself, would be a testament of his unrivalled political power.

Boy! Were his advisors wrong, or what!

As the journey started, Mr.
Sharif suddenly discovered that he was the emperor with new clothes.
That his popularity was not enough to overwhelm anyone except the likes of Talal Chaudhary and Marvi Memon.
And as this reality started to dawn on Mr.
Sharif, his rhetoric started to change.
He was no long just a guy who was “returning home”.
He was embattled.
He was someone who needed to jibe the establishment and the judiciary.
He could no long just allude to such ideas.
He had to proclaim them, outright.

As the journey became onerous, so did his rhetoric.
His speeches – especially the recent and belligerent ones – focus on three central ideas.
And these must be dealt with individually.

First, Mr.
Sharif, in his recent speeches, claims that the Army (i.
e.
“establishment”) has sent democratic governments packing, over the past 70 years.
Fair enough.
There is no denying that Army has repeatedly abrogated the Constitution, throughout our history and they must be criticised for it.
Depending on individual partisan proclivities, some believe that the Army is behind Mr.
Sharif’s dismal too.
But regardless of whether that is true or not, what is far more relevant at this particular moment is: can Mr.
Nawaz Sharif make such a claim? Can he criticise the army for dabbling into politics? Did Mr.
Sharif not come to power, during the 1980s, simply because he was the favorite child of perhaps the most nefarious of all military rulers in our history – the late General Zia-ul-Haq? Did he not conspire with the then army to dislodge the elected government of Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto in 1990 (as has now been established through the Asghar Khan case)? Did he not continue to conspire against democracy throughout the 1990s, in order to ensure that PPP governments do not complete their term? Can he – of all the people – point fingers at the Army now?

Second, Mr.
Sharif claims that ‘five people’ have sent him packing, even though millions had voted him in.
That these five ‘people’ have somehow robbed democracy of its essence, and “embarrassed” Pakistan in the international community.
First of all, how many “people” dismissed Yousaf Raza Gillani, when Mr.
Nawaz Sharif and his party were cheering for it? In any case, notwithstanding the contemptuous language, Mr.
Sharif needs to be reminded that it was not just five “people” who sent him packing; it was the honorable Supreme Court of Pakistan.
And they were empowered by the Constitutional of Pakistan to do so.
The same Constitution that mandates an election, and creates the National Assembly (Article 50).
The same Constitution that creates a government and the post of the Prime Minister (Article 90).
That exact same Constitution also creates the honorable Supreme Court (Article 175), empowers it to interpret the law, and to disqualify parliamentarians on the basis of Article 62 and 63.
This is not a sultanate, Mr.
Sharif.
We have laws here.
And courts that are empowered to interpret and apply such laws.
Even one (unconfirmed) judge of a provincial High Court is empowered by the Constitution to dismiss the Prime Minister.
Because we live in a government of laws, not individuals.
And you would do well to remember that.

Third, as an extension of this ‘five people’ contention, Mr.
Sharif seems to be arguing that constitutionalism is somehow a hindrance for democracy.
At each stop, he asks his supporters whether they will defend the people’s mandate.
An oath of allegiance to the ‘vote’, as opposed to judgment of the honorable Supreme Court.
And this idea – of pitting democracy against constitutionalism, or pitting anarchy against rule of law – is perhaps the most nefarious part of Mr.
Sharif’s speeches.
Has the PML-N really thought this through? Have their political and legal advisors considered the consequences of such rhetoric? That anyone who gathers a few thousand people in the streets can claim that he is now above the law; above the Constitution and the courts? Is that what Mr.
Sharif calls a democracy? Is the Constitution now ‘enemy No.
1’ against the democratic enterprise? And if so, should it be replaced with some other social contract where the power of vote can wash away all crime? If a murderer produces a thousand people in his support, should he be exonerated? Also, should we start convicting people, based on how many people demand it? And if that is so, how many people (across Pakistan) can be summoned by all opposition parties (through a grand conspiracy) to convict Mr.
Sharif?

This is not simply the chronicle of a man who is “returning home”.
These are sounds and images of a dynasty that has finally collapsed.
And this decline – this slow and painful crumbling of a political culture – is being televised, live.
If for no other reason, then simply as a cautionary tale! Let us watch, and learn.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore.
He has a Masters in Constitutional Law from Harvard Law School.

This is not simply the chronicle of a man who is “returning home”.
These are sounds and images of a dynasty that has finally collapsed.
 
@PakSword @Zibago @The Accountant @Emmie

A must read article

The decline will be televised

Saad Rasool

The decline of a man, his political clique, political culture, and political time, is being televised, live, across Pakistan.

At the time of writing this piece, the long (and futile) journey of Mr.
Nawaz Sharif, has entered into its final stages.
His caravan of supporters, dwindling in parts, has just entered the territorial limits of Lahore.
And still, even at this penultimate moment, before whatever will be his final speech at the feet of Badshahi Mosque, there are no signs of success in PML-N’s quest to restore Mr.
Nawaz Sharif to the echelons of political power.

It is important to trace Mr.
Sharif’s journey to this moment, where he seems nothing more than a tired man, who has lost his political punch as well as all semblance of democratic ethics.
It is pertinent to ask why Mr.
Sharif finds himself politically isolated today (even in the midst of thousands of supporters).
It is essential to understand what would bring a man like Mr.
Sharif, who has been the very heart of Pakistan’s status quo for almost four decades, to say that he has been targeted by some undefined conspiracy, which stretched from the shores of Panama to the cathedrals of justice and khaki doors of Rawalpindi.

But before addressing these issues, it is first necessary to analyze the transition in Mr.
Nawaz Sharif’s rhetoric over the past several days – ever since he started this circus journey from Islamabad to Lahore.

During the initial days of disqualification, while traveling between Changla Gali and Islamabad, Mr.
Sharif had been (erroneously) told that his popularity was enough to overwhelm State institutions.
That if he went to the public, through the GT Road, his reception would be a spectacle that uproots the foundations of our Constitution.
And that the establishment – in particular the army and the judiciary – will have no choice but to restore him somehow… even if that means overturning all established cannons of jurisprudence and statecraft.
That he did not need to directly criticize these institutions… because the public pressure, in itself, would be a testament of his unrivalled political power.

Boy! Were his advisors wrong, or what!

As the journey started, Mr.
Sharif suddenly discovered that he was the emperor with new clothes.
That his popularity was not enough to overwhelm anyone except the likes of Talal Chaudhary and Marvi Memon.
And as this reality started to dawn on Mr.
Sharif, his rhetoric started to change.
He was no long just a guy who was “returning home”.
He was embattled.
He was someone who needed to jibe the establishment and the judiciary.
He could no long just allude to such ideas.
He had to proclaim them, outright.

As the journey became onerous, so did his rhetoric.
His speeches – especially the recent and belligerent ones – focus on three central ideas.
And these must be dealt with individually.

First, Mr.
Sharif, in his recent speeches, claims that the Army (i.
e.
“establishment”) has sent democratic governments packing, over the past 70 years.
Fair enough.
There is no denying that Army has repeatedly abrogated the Constitution, throughout our history and they must be criticised for it.
Depending on individual partisan proclivities, some believe that the Army is behind Mr.
Sharif’s dismal too.
But regardless of whether that is true or not, what is far more relevant at this particular moment is: can Mr.
Nawaz Sharif make such a claim? Can he criticise the army for dabbling into politics? Did Mr.
Sharif not come to power, during the 1980s, simply because he was the favorite child of perhaps the most nefarious of all military rulers in our history – the late General Zia-ul-Haq? Did he not conspire with the then army to dislodge the elected government of Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto in 1990 (as has now been established through the Asghar Khan case)? Did he not continue to conspire against democracy throughout the 1990s, in order to ensure that PPP governments do not complete their term? Can he – of all the people – point fingers at the Army now?

Second, Mr.
Sharif claims that ‘five people’ have sent him packing, even though millions had voted him in.
That these five ‘people’ have somehow robbed democracy of its essence, and “embarrassed” Pakistan in the international community.
First of all, how many “people” dismissed Yousaf Raza Gillani, when Mr.
Nawaz Sharif and his party were cheering for it? In any case, notwithstanding the contemptuous language, Mr.
Sharif needs to be reminded that it was not just five “people” who sent him packing; it was the honorable Supreme Court of Pakistan.
And they were empowered by the Constitutional of Pakistan to do so.
The same Constitution that mandates an election, and creates the National Assembly (Article 50).
The same Constitution that creates a government and the post of the Prime Minister (Article 90).
That exact same Constitution also creates the honorable Supreme Court (Article 175), empowers it to interpret the law, and to disqualify parliamentarians on the basis of Article 62 and 63.
This is not a sultanate, Mr.
Sharif.
We have laws here.
And courts that are empowered to interpret and apply such laws.
Even one (unconfirmed) judge of a provincial High Court is empowered by the Constitution to dismiss the Prime Minister.
Because we live in a government of laws, not individuals.
And you would do well to remember that.

Third, as an extension of this ‘five people’ contention, Mr.
Sharif seems to be arguing that constitutionalism is somehow a hindrance for democracy.
At each stop, he asks his supporters whether they will defend the people’s mandate.
An oath of allegiance to the ‘vote’, as opposed to judgment of the honorable Supreme Court.
And this idea – of pitting democracy against constitutionalism, or pitting anarchy against rule of law – is perhaps the most nefarious part of Mr.
Sharif’s speeches.
Has the PML-N really thought this through? Have their political and legal advisors considered the consequences of such rhetoric? That anyone who gathers a few thousand people in the streets can claim that he is now above the law; above the Constitution and the courts? Is that what Mr.
Sharif calls a democracy? Is the Constitution now ‘enemy No.
1’ against the democratic enterprise? And if so, should it be replaced with some other social contract where the power of vote can wash away all crime? If a murderer produces a thousand people in his support, should he be exonerated? Also, should we start convicting people, based on how many people demand it? And if that is so, how many people (across Pakistan) can be summoned by all opposition parties (through a grand conspiracy) to convict Mr.
Sharif?

This is not simply the chronicle of a man who is “returning home”.
These are sounds and images of a dynasty that has finally collapsed.
And this decline – this slow and painful crumbling of a political culture – is being televised, live.
If for no other reason, then simply as a cautionary tale! Let us watch, and learn.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore.
He has a Masters in Constitutional Law from Harvard Law School.

This is not simply the chronicle of a man who is “returning home”.
These are sounds and images of a dynasty that has finally collapsed
.


House of Shareefs has fallen .....
 
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