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Pakistan's UAV - Drone developments

It has taken very long for Pakistan to come up with an indiginious drone with decent range, service ceiling and endurance. Even if they do in next 2/3 years, what they gona do about drone armament. You need dedicated mini missiles and bombs to fire from drones and we don't have any indiginuous percision attack ATG weapon which can be miniaturized for use on UCAV's.
 
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It has taken very long for Pakistan to come up with an indiginious drone with decent range, service ceiling and endurance. Even if they do in next 2/3 years, what they gona do about drone armament. You need dedicated mini missiles and bombs to fire from drones and we don't have any indiginuous percision attack ATG weapon which can be miniaturized for use on UCAV's.

In Pakistan's case 'indigenous' doesnt matter...As long as its cheap,and it does the job,Pakistan will have it.
Chinese UCAV comes with weapons suit,and is very affordable..
Restricted by lack of Pakistan's satellite capability,but will still work for a few hundred miles....
 
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Meet Pakistan’s drone maker


By Betwa Sharma | December 3, 2012


In Pakistan, public anger against drone attacks carried out by the United States continues to grow.

From June 2004 through mid-September 2012, missiles from these unmanned aircrafts have killed 2,562 to 3,325 people in Pakistan, of whom 474-881 were civilians, including 176 children, according to the London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism, an independent journalist organization. Its research shows that out of a total of 351 attacks, 299 were done under the Obama administration.

The U.S. claims that these CIA-conducted drone attacks are the only way to kill militants and terrorists hiding in the mountainous terrain of northwest Pakistan. A report released by Stanford and New York Universities in September described these attacks as counterproductive for the U.S. and terrorizing for civilians residing in the targeted areas.

In November, however, The Guardian reported that Pakistan is building its own combat drones.

Raja Sabri Khan, a Pakistani aerospace design engineer, who has built drones for two decades, says that his country’s government doesn’t have the money to make combat drones yet.

Khan, who heads Integrated Dynamics, a Karachi-based private company, has pioneered drone technology for civilian use. The engineer speaks with SmartPlanet about why he makes drones, his buyers as well as the costs and the risks involved.

SP: For how long have you been making drones and why do you make them?
RSK: I’ve been designing and making drones for over 20 years. Why? Why do people climb mountains? Aerospace technologies have always fascinated me and drones are a great learning platform.

SP: What kind of drones do you make and what are they used for?
RSK: I design drones for civilian and surveillance applications. These are mostly under 20 kg weight (40 lbs). The lightest SKYCAM is under a kg. There are numerous civilian applications that we are targeting from wildlife monitoring, agriculture, search and rescue to environmental and land use surveys.

SP: What military purposes can your drones be put to?
RSK: Aerial surveillance and early warning systems.

SP: Can you elaborate a bit more on the civilian purposes for these drones? Perhaps a few examples of how your drones have been used outside of Pakistan?
RSK: All of our exports to Europe and Australia have been for civilian applications including land mapping, agriculture, environmental studies and as platforms for research into full-size collision avoidance systems in passenger aircraft.

SP: How long does it to make a drone and how much does it cost to make one?
RSK: Our SKYCAM drone takes about two days to build and costs around $250. The complete system with a real time video feed to a ground station costs around $1000.

SP: Who do you sell drones to and for how much?
RSK: We cannot sell to individuals. All sales and exports are to organizations and government entities under end-user certification from the Government of Pakistan.

SP: Do you have competition from other private drone-makers in Pakistan?
RSK: None. We work on mostly civilian applications while the rest are concentrating on military applications.

SP: The Pakistan military is reportedly making drones now. What’s your assessment of these drones?
RSK: Actually several government R&D organizations in Pakistan are developing drones for military applications in Pakistan.

SP: In the future, will Pakistani drones have the capability to carry out attacks like the U.S. Predator?
RSK: Let me give you an example which might provide some clarity on this question and the perception that the press has about drones. Drones are aircraft without pilots. Many countries around the world have the capability of building light aircraft for passenger use or civilian applications but this does not mean that the technology can be extended into their being able to conduct a full-fledged fighter development program.

An armed drone is a completely different animal from a surveillance drone in the same manner as a light aircraft, like a Cessna, differs from an F-18. Future capability means a lot of money in spending and complete commitment from the government’s point of view and this may not be an immediate priority.

SP: China’s making drones as well. What’s your assessment of Chinese technology compared to the U.S.?
RSK: I think the Chinese will be right up there very soon with the leading drone technology countries in the world including the USA and Israel.

SP: There is big push back against drones in Pakistan because of the U.S. attacks. Are people angry with your work and have you ever been at risk?
RSK: There is always a risk of being misunderstood, largely due to press hype, of the types of applications that our drones are capable of. I have always been a strong advocate for banning drone strikes. There are so many life-saving applications that can be realistically attempted using drones like search and rescue, flood early warning, avalanche monitoring and disaster management.

We are attempting to promote these applications through our ‘Drones for Peace’ program and the SKYCAM system which will be available throughout the world for civilian life-saving applications.

Photos provided by Raja Sabri Khan.
 
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Are UAVs being used in scientific research purposes or in civilians ie in agriculture,search and rescue etc???:hitwall::bunny:
 
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You pay what you get.

True to a great extent. BUt it is not China which has barred its tech to us inspite of our dire needs. So we do whatever we can with whatever we get. The tech might not be very advanced and matured and quality might suffer a bit, but it works and we make it serve our purpose. Your drones being rerouted and forced to land (by whatever means) proves that inferior tech also can do the job.
Araz
 
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Are UAVs being used in scientific research purposes or in civilians ie in agriculture,search and rescue etc???:hitwall::bunny:

Not all drones are used for military purposes, there are a lot of civilian uses ncluding the field of agriculture, S&R, LAw enforcement. You need to save your head .IT IS VERY PRECIOUS;. Unsolicited banging on the wall can cause irrepeairable harm!!
Take care
Araz
 
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True to a great extent. BUt it is not China which has barred its tech to us inspite of our dire needs. So we do whatever we can with whatever we get. The tech might not be very advanced and matured and quality might suffer a bit, but it works and we make it serve our purpose. Your drones being rerouted and forced to land (by whatever means) proves that inferior tech also can do the job.
Araz

Well if our drones can easily go down then China's as well. Might as well get out of the drone business before it even starts.
 
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This is Naval Version of UQAB
 
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True to a great extent. BUt it is not China which has barred its tech to us inspite of our dire needs. So we do whatever we can with whatever we get. The tech might not be very advanced and matured and quality might suffer a bit, but it works and we make it serve our purpose. Your drones being rerouted and forced to land (by whatever means) proves that inferior tech also can do the job. - Araz

Technology is what now runs the world. The technology that hackers use to penetrate in the world's most secured systems isn't as high-tech. But it works. Similarly, the drones are no exception. But out of millions of drone ops, if two or four went down or got 'caught'....I don't think that's even 1% of the failure. Plus remember, the US MIC uses these incidents as an opportunity to further advance the technology and assess enemy's capability.
 
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Technology is what now runs the world. The technology that hackers use to penetrate in the world's most secured systems isn't as high-tech. But it works. Similarly, the drones are no exception. But out of millions of drone ops, if two or four went down or got 'caught'....I don't think that's even 1% of the failure. Plus remember, the US MIC uses these incidents as an opportunity to further advance the technology and assess enemy's capability.

Aurangzeb and old man
While I understand your point my reference to events in Iran were not meant to rub it in someone,s face but to point out that the so called cheap technology works and works reasonably well for us to go for it. We simply do not have much of a choice in the matter.As to our place in this field,well it is in its infancy. The chinese it appears are 5-10 yrs behind the US.
Araz
 
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Pakistan making drones to target militants: WSJ


By: Special Correspondent | December 20, 2012


NEW YORK – Pakistan’s defence industry is building what companies hope will be a domestic fleet of aerial drones that can take over the US’s role in attacking militant strongholds, The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

“The US’s persistent use of armed drones to kill militants in remote parts of Pakistan has created a public backlash that has damaged the relationship between the two nations,” the newspaper said in a despatch.

“But Pakistan isn’t altogether against drones. The nation’s leaders want to have more control over where and how they are used, and are encouraging local drone makers to build up the country’s budding arsenal. The future era is toward unmanned operations,” Sawd Rehman, a deputy director of a Pakistan-based Xpert Engineering, which builds aerial drones, was quoted as saying. “The policy of self-reliance is always priority No 1 of every nation.”

Rehman is part of a new wave of executives in the Pakistani defense industry who have studied American drone strikes with a mix of scorn and envy, the paper said. He and other Pakistanis view US drone attacks on militant sanctuaries as counterproductive.

Instead, Xpert and a small number of other companies are working to develop the country’s own fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles –a force they hope will one day supplant the American drones that dominate the country’s border with Afghanistan.

“We have tried our best asking the United States to transfer this technology to us to fight our own war instead of somebody from abroad coming and doing it,” said Maj-Gen Tahir Ashraf Khan, director general of Pakistan’s Defense Export Promotion Organisation. “Those efforts did not meet with success, so we decided to venture into this field ourselves and we have gone pretty far ahead.”

Pakistan’s military already uses a small but growing number of unarmed drones, some of them manufactured at home, to monitor the borders, coast and mountain ranges that serve as sanctuaries for some of the world’s most wanted militant leaders, including the Taliban and its allied Haqqani Network, the Journal said.

US officials agreed last year to sell Islamabad several dozen small, unarmed model drones with limited short-range surveillance capabilities. American officials opposed Pakistani requests for the transfer of the US armed drone technology to Pakistan. The Pentagon declined to comment on Pakistan’s drone programme or the reasons for not giving it the US technology.

Washington is resuming about $1 billion in military aid after freezing it when Pakistan blocked the US access to supply lines into Afghanistan. That followed an American border strike that killed 25 Pakistani troops in November 2011. The standoff ended over the summer with a US apology. “Without advanced satellite technology, the Pakistanis are incapable of developing armed drones by themselves now,” the despatch said. It will take years, if not decades, for Pakistan to develop a fleet of armed drones to rival America’s Predator and Reaper models, many analysts and people in the industry say.

“We don’t have the capability,” said Muhammad Sulaiman, a sales manager for Global Industrial Defense Solutions, or GIDS, a consortium of Pakistani companies that sells drones, tanks and planes to the nation’s military. “Maybe Pakistan will need another 50 years.”

To expand its capabilities, Pakistan is looking for help from China which has marketed its own version of armed drones to developing countries, it said.

GIDS produces one of Pakistan’s newest and most advanced drones, a medium-range vehicle called the Shahpar that can fly for about seven hours –a fraction of the 40 hours a Predator can spend in the sky.

To supplement its nascent drone industry, Pakistan has been working with Italy’s Selex Galileo SpA to produce a medium-range Falco drone with limited capabilities that the Pakistani military has been using for surveillance since 2009 when the government staged operations against militants based in Swat Valley in northeastern Pakistan. While Pakistan has looked to other countries to advance its drone capabilities, one Pakistani company said it has exported a small number of drones to a private company in the US.

Raja Sabri Khan, chief executive of Integrated Dynamics, a Karachi-based drone manufacturer, said he thought the US use of armed drones has given the industry a bad name, it said. He aims to help rehabilitate the perception of drones by promoting their peaceful uses, such as the ability to locate flood victims for rescue. “Drones can be used for saving lives, for security. I am absolutely against drones for armed purposes,” he said.
 
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How much longer until an operational UCAV?
 
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How much longer until an operational UCAV?
At least 5 years. To get the 'best deal' in terms of capability and price tag Pakistan has to wait for now. Chinese UCAVs are a good available solution, but their maturity and operational service (in numbers) in Chinese military is needed.
 
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This information will never be available in public realm, as most of these development projects are secret. However, public opinion seems to confirm that an active national program may exist.

How much longer until an operational UCAV?
 
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This information will never be available in public realm, as most of these development projects are secret. However, public opinion seems to confirm that an active national program may exist.

True, but I was wondering if there was perhaps an estimated date or time the UCAVs may be operational. Nothing official of course just estimate based on public sources.
 
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