Pakistan's Special Operations Forces: SSG | SSGN | SSW | SOW | SOG

[bhola record]

SSG-N is the only SF branch which is modernizing with high pace. It's not clear but seems like they are rocking Crye look alike plate carriers

boys are less but they are lethal, that is how SF i think should be small components, easy to move and nobody knows true size.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Way better kit setup than we've been seeing in past.

 

[Great Janjua]

SSG-N is the only SF branch which is modernizing with a high pace. It's not clear but seems like they are rocking Crye look-alike plate carriers

SSG-N was always ahead of the Special forces pack. Since the start of war on terror, these guys know their shit. So to speak.

 

[Great Janjua]

boys are less but they are lethal, that is how SF i think should be small components, easy to move and nobody knows true size.

Yes small yet very effective. For example, UK has a very stabilized structure for specialised forces small but punchy. I think that can be said about the uk armed forces, in general, They even have a 1500 to 2000 based Special forces support group.

 

[iLION12345_1]

SSG-N is the only SF branch which is modernizing with high pace. It's not clear but seems like they are rocking Crye look alike plate carriers

SSW has been doing decent in this regard too, obviously it’s much easier for either to do given they’re both smaller than army SSG even if you combine and double them. The navy especially has had a lot more budget to spare recently.

Army SSG should start making some stronger distinctions by now (they Did with ZATU but imo not strong enough), if they want to keep an SF force that large, then by all means, they should, it’s an advantage. But start equipping the best ones with the best gear instead of trying to get everyone the same gear for which you’d need so much more money, these SSW and SSG(N) modernizations weren’t cheap.

Basically, the army needs to enforce the tier system stronger, they’ve already started work on it, ZATU and some others are getting the better gear and will be the higher end, while The rest, depending on their role, can be of more general use.

Another reason army SSG is bigger is because they have dedicated roles, SSW and SSG(N) train everyone for everything, much like usual SFs and SEALs.
SSG adopts the approach of making specific companies and units for every task, yes they’re all given general training of everything, but their advanced training corresponds more to a specific thing. Like ZATU for AT, Musa for sea-borne Ops, Powindahs for mountain/hill Ops etc. This may make their individuals less well rounded than the other two, but for their specific task they’re absolutely the best of what we have.

 

[bhola record]

Another reason army SSG is bigger is because they have dedicated roles, SSW and SSG(N) train everyone for everything, much like usual SFs and SEALs.

and so SSG(A) get equipment they need, not the equipment our pdf member wants them to have.

 

[iLION12345_1]

and so SSG(A) get equipment they need, not the equipment our pdf member wants them to have.

If PDF was in charge of equipment acquisitions for the SSG we’d have something akin To the terminator walking around But we’d also be broke. SSG only buys what they need.

 

[iLION12345_1]

SSG(A) also trains its commandos in almost everything.
Actually, SSW itself sends its volunteers to SSG for training and most of the SSGn commandos who pass the ssgn training then apply for SSG training because ssgn training is more maritime-based and its land phase training is not that good

actually, i am also just a noobra and don't know much but the problem with most people here is they don't have authentic info and don't know much about SSG and stuff but pretend they are some war veterans and don't accept their mistakes

SSG(A) training starts off generalized just like in Every Pakistani SF but they have dedicated companies and units for dedicated roles, and that’s what they train more for.

SSGN has the most generalized training, they are SEALs. Their training is not solely or specifically maritime based but their operational usage might be. Same for SSW.

There aren’t different basic SF courses, the basic one is the same. Done at the same place. By all of them.

 

[PanzerKiel]

SSG(A) also trains its commandos in almost everything.
Actually, SSW itself sends its volunteers to SSG for training and most of the SSGn commandos who pass the ssgn training then apply for SSG training because ssgn training is more maritime-based and its land phase training is not that good

All commandos of all three services do the basic Commando course from Cherat.... Once they are done with the course and get their wings.... Then they go to the special operation schools of their respective services for advanced training of their respective fields.

 

[bhola record]

All commandos of all three services do the basic Commando course from Cherat.... Once they are done with the course and get their wings.... Then they go to the special operation schools of their respective services for advanced training of their respective fields.

Sir if a person qualifies basic commando but fails OACC, will he be RTU'D?

 

[iLION12345_1]

Bro no offense but about a month or two i talked to and SSG(A) retired Colonel and asked which unit is best and who is deployed where. His replies were(not his exact words) that Every unit in SSG including Zarrar specializes in all kind of major ops and minor ops. Actually i asked if zarrar is the best. He said all the 8 battalions specialize in everything including in what zarrar specializes that is hostage rescue. and zarrar also practices for everything that which the battalions do for. the only thing is that zarrar is gets the most equipment for hostage rescue and the other battalions don't the hostage rescue specific(light) equipment. and some parts of zarrar is deployed in jungles, mountain or elsewhere based OAs and some part of zarrar is on standby for hostage rescue ops if the need arises in Pakistan. and cqb is something that you need to practice a lot and always be in momentum especially if it is a hostage rescue op where someone else's life is at risk that's why in Pan Am, Ghq, Laal Masjid and Aps zarrar was called in. But all the other battalions can do hostage rescue and also is deployed for such ops but zarrar came into the light of media. and the Colonel also told that Any Unit can be deployed anywhere and a commando once qualified can be called in for any job. All of them cross-train and all of them are like jack of all trades but master of some. they are most like the UKSF(they are trained generally) and not like US SOF becuase US has specific Sof for specific job( Green beret and SAD for guerilla warfare, navy seals for DA, Devgru and Delta for CT)
Actually now our SFs don't have a good relationship with US SOF but training with UKSF is still conducted just not told on the media. And some part of zarrar is now even stationed near Peshawar(i won't tell the specific place) afte the APS attack. If this tells you something.
My english is a bit bad here but this is how it was explained to me and most part of SSGn training is about seaborne ops and if you go into a BEL Special Operation with the SSGn level of land phase training then only Allah can save you perhaps that's why after being selected in SSGn most of the officer and soldiers apply for SSG(A) course because SSG(A) is much more experienced in such domain.
The 8 battalions are like the squadrons of SAS and zarrar is special projects team/Counter Revolutionary Warfare wing. All battalions are trained in CT but they get refreshers after some months while the part of zarrar stationed and on rotation for CT is mostly practicing CT again and again if the need arises they are called in. This is authentic info

JazakAllah.
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Sir your info is very outdated now and yes for all of them the basic course used to be same but now they have changed. Now in the 34 week long SSGn course(aka SEAL course) they mostly teach you only the 'S' part of SEALs and the rest 'EAL' part you learn in SSG(A).

I‘m sure one of us is right, let’s leave It at that. No big deal.

All commandos of all three services do the basic Commando course from Cherat.... Once they are done with the course and get their wings.... Then they go to the special operation schools of their respective services for advanced training of their respective fields.

I enjoyed my time at Kallar Kahar But The SSW guys didn’t let me shoot the F2000. Still mad at them

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sir if a person qualifies basic commando but fails OACC, will he be RTU'D?

Dear, two parallel courses are run...
For officers it is OACC.. Officers Advanced Commando course.... While for soldiers its SBCC... Soldiers Basic Commando Course..... There is no such thing as a simple basic commando course.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Leave a message on my profile. I don't know if i should tell it here or not.

It's not that big of a secret.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Actually, the name first originated from the Soviet-Afghan invasion in which the Soviet troops faced a group of Mujahideen who were MashAllah very lethal, was very versatile and could handle a variety of weapons and equipment. Some Russians still call them 'Black Angels' because they were mostly dressed in black. Then the name somehow evolved and became Black Storks. Russian intel believed that they were Pakistani Mercenaries and most probably Pakistan's SSG Commandos

Not entirely true.

I don’t know if this story has any truth to it, and I sincerely doubt it does. Don‘t believe everything you read and see.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Here I can only say that you must go through only Long Course and not short service comission or other courses.
@PanzerKiel just give me a reply should I tell it here or not. I am just a kid and don't know if I should tell it here or not.

Its axiomatic that anyone who wants to join fighting arm will go through L/C however you shouldn't divulge state secret on an open Forum. Imagine the damage indians will do to our strategic assets if they learn about SSG induction process.