Pakistan's Special Operations Forces: SSG | SSGN | SSW | SOW | SOG

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why doesn't SSG have any nishan e haider?

 

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why doesn't SSG have any nishan e haider?

Nature of their operations is such, thats why, otherwise there were and are many deserving.

Awarding a medal requires a citation having details of events, which cannot be obviously be divulged.

 

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Nature of their operations is such, thats why, otherwise there were and are many deserving.

Awarding a medal requires a citation having details of events, which cannot be obviously be divulged.

Surely not everything is classified as such that it cannot be mentioned after the fact it has occurred, otherwise there would be no medals awarded to a SSG personnel. For example, looking at an Indian example:

Captain Abhay Sharma, SM was the party commander tasked to undertake patrolling against enemy Border Action Team along Line of Control in Jammu district of Jammu and Kashmir. On 21 April 2018, Captain Abhay Sharma, SM led a patrol along the Line of Control. At 1.10 pm, his own patrol spotted movement of 10 uniformed enemy personnel carrying weapons and moving towards own post Spur Forward. He quickly deployed his party in two locations and at opportune time he along with his buddy opened fire and neutralised two enemy personnel. Displaying exceptional battle craft, he provided cover fire enabling his buddy to disengage and move to safety. Thereafter, displaying exemplary junior leadership he crawled under support fire of his buddy and shot down another enemy regular at close range. Once under effective fire from enemy posts, he sensed grave danger to entire party and directed fire of five C-90s and destroyed three bunkers. Exhibiting composure and exceptional tactical acumen under heavy enemy fire, he successfully executed the ambush, destroyed three bunkers, recovered enemy weapon and ensured safe extrication without any casualty.


For displaying conspicuous gallantry, unmatched professionalism and resolute leadership in face of enemy, Captain Abhay Sharma, SM has been awarded the “Shaurya Chakra”.

The courageous acts of 12 valorous Indian Army men who have been awarded top honours | India News - Times of India

India News: The Ashok Chakra was announced for Lance Naik Nazir Ahmad Wani, Bar to Sena Medal posthumously. He belonged to the Jammu and Kashmir Light infananty/3

www.google.com

I don't know to what extent, any of the above is true, but for argument's sake, assume it is, surely PA would have retaliated to this but why would such an action not be allowed to be mentioned in the public domain or even recommended for a medal?

 

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Surely not everything is classified as such that it cannot be mentioned after the fact it has occurred, otherwise there would be no medals awarded to a SSG personnel. For example, looking at an Indian example:

Captain Abhay Sharma, SM was the party commander tasked to undertake patrolling against enemy Border Action Team along Line of Control in Jammu district of Jammu and Kashmir. On 21 April 2018, Captain Abhay Sharma, SM led a patrol along the Line of Control. At 1.10 pm, his own patrol spotted movement of 10 uniformed enemy personnel carrying weapons and moving towards own post Spur Forward. He quickly deployed his party in two locations and at opportune time he along with his buddy opened fire and neutralised two enemy personnel. Displaying exceptional battle craft, he provided cover fire enabling his buddy to disengage and move to safety. Thereafter, displaying exemplary junior leadership he crawled under support fire of his buddy and shot down another enemy regular at close range. Once under effective fire from enemy posts, he sensed grave danger to entire party and directed fire of five C-90s and destroyed three bunkers. Exhibiting composure and exceptional tactical acumen under heavy enemy fire, he successfully executed the ambush, destroyed three bunkers, recovered enemy weapon and ensured safe extrication without any casualty.


For displaying conspicuous gallantry, unmatched professionalism and resolute leadership in face of enemy, Captain Abhay Sharma, SM has been awarded the “Shaurya Chakra”.

The courageous acts of 12 valorous Indian Army men who have been awarded top honours | India News - Times of India

India News: The Ashok Chakra was announced for Lance Naik Nazir Ahmad Wani, Bar to Sena Medal posthumously. He belonged to the Jammu and Kashmir Light infananty/3

www.google.com

I don't know to what extent, any of the above is true, but for argument's sake, assume it is, surely PA would have retaliated to this but why would such an action not be allowed to be mentioned in the public domain or even recommended for a medal?

Your example is of internal security domain, which can be cited as well. Intelligence based operations seldom can be cited.

 

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Nature of their operations is such, thats why, otherwise there were and are many deserving.

Awarding a medal requires a citation having details of events, which cannot be obviously be divulged.

I presume British SAS and USSOCOM deployed field operatives also do not get top of the line medals too due to OPSEC then?

 

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Your example is of internal security domain, which can be cited as well. Intelligence based operations seldom can be cited.

Your example is of internal security domain, which can be cited as well. Intelligence based operations seldom can be cited.

Noted, regarding your point of the usual nature of SSG ops being classified (IBOs). Might sound like I'm reiterating the point, but surely more of what PA and specifically the SSG does along the LOC, in a similar manner to the example in previous post can be publicized and awarded for their courage and skill against the traditional enemy?

I can't find any article on the citation for our brave shaheed who got martyred after downing 12 IA soldiers when the 'surgical strikes' happened. But there should be more limelight on the PA manning the LOC, outside of awards ceremonies too, the job they do thwarting a much larger enemy, with much more resources and at a physically advantageous location for the most part, deserves greater recognition.

 

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SSG troops have been recommended for NH. The example of Capt Muhammad Iqbal Khan, ASC, SSG (HJ) is one. He was recommended for NH but the criteria applied resulted in him being awarded the second highest gallantry award.

I think it is fair to suggest that the scrutiny applied to the award of NH is sometimes as such that if there aren't enough sources to corroborate the actions and impact of the action taken by someone, specially in the special forces missions, it results in them being not recommended. There is a pretty decent amount of coverage on the topic of gallantry awards in the official SSG history.

Lastly, NH is only awarded posthumously. This negates a lot of actions worthy of NH because the officer/jawan was not KIA. This isn't the case in most other parts of the world with their highest gallantry award.

 

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SSG troops have been recommended for NH. The example of Capt Muhammad Iqbal Khan, ASC, SSG (HJ) is one. He was recommended for NH but the criteria applied resulted in him being awarded the second highest gallantry award.

I think it is fair to suggest that the scrutiny applied to the award of NH is sometimes as such where there aren't enough sources to corroborate the actions and impact of the action taken by someone, specially in the special forces missions, resulting in them not being recommended. There is a pretty decent amount of coverage on the topic of gallantry awards in the official SSG history.

Lastly, NH is only awarded posthumously. This negates a lot of actions worthy of NH because the officer/jawan was not KIA. This isn't the case in most other parts of the world with their highest gallantry award.

Such tales of courage and indomitable will need to be told and not hidden IMO. Simply producing documentaries, shows, even just media coverage on them is essential to raise awareness amongst the wider public. Granted to the soldier, gallantry awards and attaining the respect of his unit/peers will be paramount, but if the op is not classified or enough time has lapsed as such that it can be told - making a programme on successful actions will gain positivity from the public and reduce the effect any agendas will have on attempts at maligning PA.

 

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I presume British SAS and USSOCOM deployed field operatives also do not get top of the line medals too due to OPSEC then?

Actually they do.

Remember the SAS operator in Kenya. His name is Christian Craighead he revealed his identity after his time.
He was awarded with second highest award.

In Battle of Mogadishu two delta operators M.Sgt Gary Gordon and Sgt 1st Class Randy Shugart who lost their lives were awarded Medal of Honor.

Most recently Delta operator Thomas T. Payne is awarded Medal of Honor due to his action in Syria.

You can search their names.

 

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By the current GOC?

 

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By the current GOC?

Nopes, a bit old.

 

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