Pakistan's Special Operations Forces: SSG | SSGN | SSW | SOW | SOG

[Cuirassier]

SOF Competitions are good but not yardsticks for combat potential as such.

Indian NSG (their Zarrar ATU eqv) was also sent to the King Abdullah event. Their not winning doesn't mean they're sh*te.

 

[blain2]

in the cambrian patrol exercises how come ssg was sent to compete with regulars from other countries

Cambrian Patrol has always been attended by detachments from our regular Infantry battalions and they do quite well.

They only got Gold medal didn't outclassed in entire Cambrian Patrol competition. That's Great, they won competition like Beijing Sniping competition even they lost in Kazakhstan Golden Owl competition.

What about more advanced competitions. Include CQB, CASEVAC, Long Range Shooting, Obstacle courses, Different scenarios, shooting in dark under NVGs.

Brother its not about inferiority complex, its reality. Our troops especially tough but toughness is not always in need. You need modern operational skill set. SSG still use old skill sets. Just compare any video...We all know our tough LCB lost badly at King Abdullah Warrior Competetion...

The idea of sending the LCB is to pitch garden infantry units against possibly SF teams from other nations.
There is no guarantee that Pakistani teams will come out on top however as long as they are among the top teams is what matters.

For the "more advanced competitions" you mention, I recall a few years ago, SSG participated in one of the most grueling SF competition hosted in South Africa called Ex. Airborne Africa (10 events including the things you have called out). Indians were there too but it was their second outing. SSG came out from the cold into the exercise and in a competition of over 20 countries, came in 4th after the hosts South Africa, India, and the Netherlands. There were quite a few European and Middle Eastern outfits there too. So we attended and our scores were a few points shy of the South Africans as the margin was very small. Point being, when it comes to real exercises and not "expo shows", we have done well.

Secondly, as someone mentioned GROM, forget about them as they are just cutting their teeth in Afghanistan now. SSG has more experience than most SF outfits put together. This goes for special forces missions in conventional wars and also in counter terrorism. While there is always room for betterment, ours is not a shabby bunch either ;-)

While they can always get more infusion is equipment and technology but you can only buy what you can afford. Ask any professional officer about what it takes to make it to the SSG and even those who dislike the SSG for various reasons will admit that it is no easy task and this in an army which is extremely labor intensive as is (meaning our regular infantry units have it much harder than most European/Middle Eastern Armies.)

Lastly, such competitions are about preparing a certain way to perform well. The events and methodology are chosen by the host nation. They may or may not reflect reality. Sometimes your preparation pays off, other times it does not. Think of it like any other cricket match or other sport. As long as you can compete well because your own training is realistic and tough, you are good and it does not matter whether you place 1st or 2nd or 3rd. Just need to compete well and be amongst the top teams.

 

[In arduis fidelis]

They only got Gold medal didn't outclassed in entire Cambrian Patrol competition. That's Great, they won competition like Beijing Sniping competition even they lost in Kazakhstan Golden Owl competition.

What about more advanced competitions. Include CQB, CASEVAC, Long Range Shooting, Obstacle courses, Different scenarios, shooting in dark under NVGs.

Brother its not about inferiority complex, its reality. Our troops especially tough but toughness is not always in need. You need modern operational skill set. SSG still use old skill sets. Just compare any video...We all know our tough LCB lost badly at King Abdullah Warrior Competetion...

I wont go into a long discussion with you due to constraint of time on my side but few things i want to get across.
Firstly LCB are at most Infantry with a basic SF training you cant expect them to compete with SOF operators. That was a tester from our side.

Secondly performing in competition is one thing and performance under ops conditions is totally different ball game. Unless you haven't seen SSG operate first hand or read up on first hand accounts of their ops from last 2 decades you cant judge them especially from videos bcz PA as a whole is little camera shy in regards to their tactics and strategies.

 

[Awan68]

Because if we do some random euro country that nobody has heard about would mop the floor with us

Ssg cant even compete with a 2nd rate force like polish grom

SSG is easily in the top 5 SF units in the world u inferiority complex ridden mofo, they have had success in envoirments where even the yanks have failed, somebody kick this "self loathing wanabe who thinks who knows something but is just a skinny little idiot behind a keyboard who has seen too many propganda hollywood flicks" out of here.

 

[Metal 0-1]

I wont go into a long discussion with you due to constraint of time on my side but few things i want to get across.
Firstly LCB are at most Infantry with a basic SF training you cant expect them to compete with SOF operators. That was a tester from our side.

Secondly performing in competition is one thing and performance under ops conditions is totally different ball game. Unless you haven't seen SSG operate first hand or read up on first hand accounts of their ops from last 2 decades you cant judge them especially from videos bcz PA as a whole is little camera shy in regards to their tactics and strategies.

Competitions are meant to test them under high pressure situation.

SSG is not really shy of camera. That's not an excuse. Modern SOF don't reveal their Operators names and faces but showcase their skills globally.....

Cambrian Patrol has always been attended by detachments from our regular Infantry battalions and they do quite well.

The idea of sending the LCB is to pitch garden infantry units against possibly SF teams from other nations.
There is no guarantee that Pakistani teams will come out on top however as long as they are among the top teams is what matters.

For the "more advanced competitions" you mention, I recall a few years ago, SSG participated in one of the most grueling SF competition hosted in South Africa called Ex. Airborne Africa (10 events including the things you have called out). Indians were there too but it was their second outing. SSG came out from the cold into the exercise and in a competition of over 20 countries, came in 4th after the hosts South Africa, India, and the Netherlands. There were quite a few European and Middle Eastern outfits there too. So we attended and our scores were a few points shy of the South Africans as the margin was very small. Point being, when it comes to real exercises and not "expo shows", we have done well.

Secondly, as someone mentioned GROM, forget about them as they are just cutting their teeth in Afghanistan now. SSG has more experience than most SF outfits put together. This goes for special forces missions in conventional wars and also in counter terrorism. While there is always room for betterment, ours is not a shabby bunch either ;-)

While they can always get more infusion is equipment and technology but you can only buy what you can afford. Ask any professional officer about what it takes to make it to the SSG and even those who dislike the SSG for various reasons will admit that it is no easy task and this in an army which is extremely labor intensive as is (meaning our regular infantry units have it much harder than most European/Middle Eastern Armies.)

Lastly, such competitions are about preparing a certain way to perform well. The events and methodology are chosen by the host nation. They may or may not reflect reality. Sometimes your preparation pays off, other times it does not. Think of it like any other cricket match or other sport. As long as you can compete well because your own training is realistic and tough, you are good and it does not matter whether you place 1st or 2nd or 3rd. Just need to compete well and be amongst the top teams.

That's what I am saying.
LCB lost from Palestinians, Lebanese and Canadians.
Host a competition at Local level. Maybe pick some teams from friendly countries.
It's a type of training. You put your men under stressed conditions and see the outcome. You'll know where our troops lack and Excel. It's not winning or losing. Law enforcement may lose to Military teams but they will get a chance to compete and learn something from their brothers in arms..

 

[In arduis fidelis]

Competitions are meant to test them under high pressure situation.

SSG is not really shy of camera. That's not an excuse. Modern SOF don't reveal their Operators names and faces but showcase their skills globally.....
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As i said not here for the argument but Operational record of SSG in last 2 decades speaks for itself.

And other then ISPR songs where have you seen SSG showing their "skill set". I would like to see these videos.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Are you a Pakistani?

If yes then you are impressed by the equipment displayed by the other forces in their promotional videos and are suffering from inferiority complex.

When bullets start flying, equipment gets forgotten pretty quickly and the only thing that keeps you in the fight is your belief in the cause and your motivation and nothing motivates you more than your belief that a Muslim wins whether he lives or dies in a battle.

Because if we do some random euro country that nobody has heard about would mop the floor with us

Ssg cant even compete with a 2nd rate force like polish grom

 

[pzfz]

If yes then you are impressed by the equipment displayed by the other forces in their promotional videos and are suffering from inferiority complex.

When bullets start flying, equipment gets forgotten pretty quickly and the only thing that keeps you in the fight is your belief in the cause and your motivation and nothing motivates you more than your belief that a Muslim wins whether he lives or dies in a battle.

Actually when bullets start flying equipment (protection, sit awareness, comms, weapons), training, tactics, and skills are what keep you in the battle; not prayer and faith. Why then don't Pak soldiers just go into battle naked armed with a pick ax? Stop normalizing losing. Fighting isn't about getting a participation trophy - it's about winning.

SSG is easily in the top 5 SF units in the world u inferiority complex ridden mofo, they have had success in envoirments where even the yanks have failed, somebody kick this "self loathing wanabe who thinks who knows something but is just a skinny little idiot behind a keyboard who has seen too many propganda hollywood flicks" out of here.

This isn't abuse mods? Also ssg are no where near the top if we're going by childish rankings. The same rankings where somehow ISI ranks near the top even when nds and raw run circles around them.

 

[Awan68]

Actually when bullets start flying equipment (protection, sit awareness, comms, weapons), training, tactics, and skills are what keep you in the battle; not prayer and faith. Why then don't Pak soldiers just into battle naked armed with a pick ax? Stop normalizing losing. Fighting isn't about getting a participation trophy - it's about winning.


This isn't abuse mods? Also ssg are no where near the top if we're going by childish rankings. The same rankings where somehow ISI ranks near the top even when nds and raw run circles around them.

Childish rankings?, raw and nds getting better of ISI?, lol,Keep blowing out of ur Ahole, i wont even dignify ur babble with a response.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Part 3 of Latvian SOF warrior competition : Captain Duel

You see the points table even the US Army 10th Special Forces Group is losing badly from Police special units..

Again, SOF competitions are not meant for winning and losing. Its about learning from your mistakes. Work on your weakness. Try to learn even from a low level unit putting the ego of top tier to side. Try to teach something as well. You can learn about different tactics, how others employ them, what kind of equipment they use..

It'll really help and will be nice if Pakistan conducted such competition at local level participants including SOF, Special units, Paramilitary, Law enforcement units form different corners from Pakistan and from friendly nations..

P.S If you lose badly without even trying then all the above things don't employ, you better train better or leave the job...

 

[PanzerKiel]

 

[Metal 0-1]

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Whats with SSG, SSG-N, SSW not covering their faces and posting their pictures on social media?

AND Whats with our media and fanpages not blurring their faces.?

 

[PanzerKiel]

Whats with SSG, SSG-N, SSW not covering their faces and posting their pictures on social media?

AND Whats with our media and fanpages not blurring their faces.?

Answers to these questions can be found in the years 1962 till 1964.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Answers to these questions can be found in the years 1962 till 1964.

Will you please?

 

[PanzerKiel]

Will you please?

With regards to open identification of SSG.... Under Gen Mitha, they used to wear normal baloch regiment beret and shoulder titles..... But then... After him... In his own words.... The rot started to set in....

It started with wearing SSG wing.... SSG shoulder titles and beret.... Use of SSG's individuals on VIP protection duties, free fall and SSG's contingent parade on 23 March..... Air Marshals in 70s and 80s...SSG formation sign

With regards to open identification of SSG.... Under Gen Mitha, they used to wear normal baloch regiment beret and shoulder titles..... But then... After him... In his own words.... The rot started to set in....

It started with wearing SSG wing.... SSG shoulder titles and beret.... Use of SSG's individuals on VIP protection duties, free fall and SSG's contingent parade on 23 March..... Air Marshals in 70s and 80s...SSG formation sign

... And the remaining.... Social media allows everyone to show off.... Something in our national psyche..... Just like Wagah parade...