Pakistan's Special Operations Forces: SSG | SSGN | SSW | SOW | SOG

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Training the Saudis:

 

[Inception-06]

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Pretty old pic ... Training the Saudis:

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What are we getting, when we train the saudis ? Do they train also our Soldiers ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What are we getting, when we train the saudis ? Do they train also our Soldiers ?

Lmao... Saudis training us? we also run military training institutes in KSA and several other countries... apart from training them at home in our institutes.

 

[Inception-06]

Lmao... Saudis training us? we also run military training institutes in KSA and several other countries... apart from training them at home in our institutes.

You did not get the point, what are we get form the Saudis, when our military personal is spending the time to train them ?

 

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I know even the infantry is getting harnesses but they are 2nd rate mate, barely enough for ammunition and hanging lose. I dont believe this is a budget issues, merely Quality Assurance and Design. I guess baby steps.

The older ones have been replaced...

 

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You did not get the point, what are we get form the Saudis, when our military personal is spending the time to train them ?

Diplomatic relations... financial benefits to the soldiers...

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

You did not get the point, what are we get form the Saudis, when our military personal is spending the time to train them ?

Same thing America gets when they train the Military of other Nations.

US Trains foreign militarys they get:

• US weapon sales
• Regional stability, who's going to mess with a US ally?
• US interests
• Enhancing understanding
• Pomoting friendship, that Maj. coming to West Point in 10-14 is going to be some senior official at the Defense Ministry of his country
• Win-Win, soldiers get trained here Foreign win, US gets influence there.

 

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Hes not SSG... probably not even a soldier...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just watched Green Barets training (Entrance course) pretty intense
Just a pre "acceptance" course was more challenging then any normal Military Entrance course

Never seen fully fit men puke and faint and give up in first 3 hours of start

Wonder how the SSG training compares in comparison

 

[razgriz19]

Can anyone tell me why there is a Bangladeshi flag, and others on the table?

 

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Just watched Green Barets training (Entrance course) pretty intense
Just a pre "acceptance" course was more challenging then any normal Military Entrance course

Never seen fully fit men puke and faint and give up in first 3 hours of start

Wonder how the SSG training compares in comparison

Volunteers from all over the army apply but two-thirds are rejected during the initial selection phase, and one-third of the selected fall out during the training phase due to lack of physical and mental resilience displayed during the training.

Trainees have to undergo forced marches in which they have to cross 36 miles of rugged terrain in nine hours while wearing full combat loads.

Typical exercises involve round-the-clock movement for five days and nights without sleep, while carrying only two days worth of food and water.

Once that runs out, they must live off the land and the few villages in the area are kept under surveillance by the trainers.

If captured, they are thrown into the dungeons of Attock Fort and subjected to a gruelling process of interrogation. Among those who break down during the five-day exercise, the common refrain is “SSG dozakh hai” (SSG is hell).

Those who finally make it, earn the distinction of wearing the maroon beret and the coveted SSG badge on their chest.

From an old article written by a former S.S.G operator.
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[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Volunteers from all over the army apply but two-thirds are rejected during the initial selection phase, and one-third of the selected fall out during the training phase due to lack of physical and mental resilience displayed during the training.

Trainees have to undergo forced marches in which they have to cross 36 miles of rugged terrain in nine hours while wearing full combat loads.

Typical exercises involve round-the-clock movement for five days and nights without sleep, while carrying only two days worth of food and water.

Once that runs out, they must live off the land and the few villages in the area are kept under surveillance by the trainers.

If captured, they are thrown into the dungeons of Attock Fort and subjected to a gruelling process of interrogation. Among those who break down during the five-day exercise, the common refrain is “SSG dozakh hai” (SSG is hell).

Those who finally make it, earn the distinction of wearing the maroon beret and the coveted SSG badge on their chest.

From an old article written by a former S.S.G operator.
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In the Green Baret Training documentary (Only pre screening)

US green Baret went thru in "Pre Screening" training

2 Weeks course (14 days), which involved

Physical fitness training , Lifting heavy objects , repetitively for 2-3 hours then rolling around countless times to disorient. Very brutal introduction to reality
In the movie they lifted a tree log , 10 feet long by group of soldiers above their heads and then shoulder to shoulder, one guys ends up busting his shoulder and gets eliminated , few soldiers get dizzy after the process or heavy lifts and then doing roll overs and normal drills repeatedly for hours

Obstacle training (Testing for fear against height, tight places etc). They are forced to climb up on obstacles with no safety protectors which causes few soldiers to quiet as they could not cope with the height and no safety line. Fatigue also messes with their heads

Then constant marches (Hikes) 6 miles with 50 pound bags on their shoulders.

> Sudden requirement changes to forget about day time hike and do a mission

Pitch Dark night , flag / course finding missions , can't turn on lights , can't step on road , their Trainers monitored their actions using thermal / heat sensors. Anyone caught cheating like taking a nap or sleeping or stepping on roads gets disqualified. They had to navigate in dark night , no lights and with no moon in sky

Fews guys got busted cheating the system turning off their high tech gadgets and taking a nap or some had the head lights to see their area , which got picked up by thermal / night vision camera instructors were using

Then Team based hikes , groups given task to transport a heavy object with given , resources at hand , come up with solution and move the item to desired spot (Heavy Object) 12-13 people need to carry it (6 Miles distance) . If your team works together and you show good decision making you could make a device to transport things easily (less effort) vs carrying object 1 by 1 by hand.
(They were given wheels to aid them carry) - Time duration limit, the tires / wheels constantly fall off due to sand and terrain if you did not design your solution correctly

Next day , they repeated the stuff , only now ... they did not had any wheels literally lifting or carrying the object on shoulders (12-14 people at time) taking turns. Again 6 miles new course. The road is full of deep sand and makes it hard to move

Overall in their trainings people were puking , bleeding , some had mental breakdowns , some injured their ankles one-two busted their knees or hips carrying the heavy load object in hike in team missions. (Which disqualified them immediately). And these were generally your fit soldiers not out of shape joe who could not take the training objectives or intensity

Then more surprise night hikes

Out of 256 entrants they reduced the field 120-130 people were eliminated or quit

The final 1/3 were then given critique by the Trainer and they also removed few entrants and only after that they approved the remaining ones to start their Green Baret Training

The documentary did not cover , what Training the "Selected" folks get which they need to pass in order to be called Green Baret, but the Pre Screen was quite intense physical and emotional test

They had few rules , you get injured you are out and you cannot hide an injury in order to continue in course training and you must follow orders to dot

Few guys were really happy they finished he course and said on camera they are certainly gonna be selected , eventually quite a few of them don't get elected
even after finishing the 2 weeks course

At the end they announced from next year, Military will increase the duration of the pre screen course to 3 weeks

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In the Green Baret Training documentary (Only pre screening)

US green Baret went thru in "Pre Screening" training

2 Weeks course (14 days), which involved

Physical fitness training , Lifting heavy objects , repetitively for 2-3 hours then rolling around countless times to disorient. Very brutal introduction to reality
In the movie they lifted a tree log , 10 feet long by group of soldiers above their heads and then shoulder to shoulder, one guys ends up busting his shoulder and gets eliminated , few soldiers get dizzy after the process or heavy lifts and then doing roll overs and normal drills repeatedly for hours

Obstacle training (Testing for fear against height, tight places etc). They are forced to climb up on obstacles with no safety protectors which causes few soldiers to quiet as they could not cope with the height and no safety line. Fatigue also messes with their heads

Then constant marches (Hikes) 6 miles with 50 pound bags on their shoulders.

> Sudden requirement changes to forget about day time hike and do a mission

Pitch Dark night , flag / course finding missions , can't turn on lights , can't step on road , their Trainers monitored their actions using thermal / heat sensors. Anyone caught cheating like taking a nap or sleeping or stepping on roads gets disqualified. They had to navigate in dark night , no lights and with no moon in sky

Fews guys got busted cheating the system turning off their high tech gadgets and taking a nap or some had the head lights to see their area , which got picked up by thermal / night vision camera instructors were using

Then Team based hikes , groups given task to transport a heavy object with given , resources at hand , come up with solution and move the item to desired spot (Heavy Object) 12-13 people need to carry it (6 Miles distance) . If your team works together and you show good decision making you could make a device to transport things easily (less effort) vs carrying object 1 by 1 by hand.
(They were given wheels to aid them carry) - Time duration limit, the tires / wheels constantly fall off due to sand and terrain if you did not design your solution correctly

Next day , they repeated the stuff , only now ... they did not had any wheels literally lifting or carrying the object on shoulders (12-14 people at time) taking turns. Again 6 miles new course. The road is full of deep sand and makes it hard to move

Overall in their trainings people were puking , bleeding , some had mental breakdowns , some injured their ankles one-two busted their knees or hips carrying the heavy load object in hike in team missions. (Which disqualified them immediately). And these were generally your fit soldiers not out of shape joe who could not take the training objectives or intensity

Then more surprise night hikes

Out of 256 entrants they reduced the field 120-130 people were eliminated or quit

The final 1/3 were then given critique by the Trainer and they also removed few entrants and only after that they approved the remaining ones to start their Green Baret Training

The documentary did not cover , what Training the "Selected" folks get which they need to pass in order to be called Green Baret, but the Pre Screen was quite intense physical and emotional test

They had few rules , you get injured you are out and you cannot hide an injury in order to continue in course training and you must follow orders to dot

Few guys were really happy they finished he course and said on camera they are certainly gonna be selected , eventually quite a few of them don't get elected
even after finishing the 2 weeks course

At the end they announced from next year, Military will increase the duration of the pre screen course to 3 weeks

Il ask somebody abt it.. As for pre training or selection process.. Volunteers have to go through 24+ day selection process (screening process) before getting selected for training... Read a book by some retired indian military officer who was quoting SSGs selection process being better than indian MARCOS..

Apart from tht the interrogation at attack fort... In the last days itself is hell .. And u only get to wear a maroon beret once u have completed tht...


P.S: many are disqualifies due to injuries during the training and specially during the *interrogation*....

 

[Amaa'n]

Il ask somebody abt it.. As for pre training or selection process.. Volunteers have to go through 24+ day selection process (screening process) before getting selected for training... Read a book by some retired indian military officer who was quoting SSGs selection process being better than indian MARCOS..

Apart from tht the interrogation at attack fort... In the last days itself is hell .. And u only get to wear a maroon beret once u have completed tht...


P.S: many are disqualifies due to injuries during the training and specially during the *interrogation*....

SERE has become very important part of today's training - during this one is put into odd - intensifying positions - that is more about psychological then physical.....
if i recall correctly - 10 km hike with 100lbs is also part of Pre-selection