Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Gryphon]

More nails in the coffin of SCAR ooops i better not make the SCAR fans . It is becoming certain that a CZ SCAR can happen and it will be good to see what that rifle will be like despite there being a minority wanting SCAR to win just because it aesthetically appeases them and PA is no rush to adopt a platform either they rather get the best solution possible and CZ SCAR can be it!

From what the rumours are, FN SCAR will be purchased for SSG/SSW/SSG(N) directly from FN without any local production involved. I don't foresee PA replacing thousands of HK G3's with FN SCAR (which costs 2500 - 3000 USD each).

Take a look at the FN Minimi on the table (near SCAR). I guess SF's are getting a new LMG instead of MG3. In modern warfare, there is focus on lighter weapons. Minimi is 3 Kg lighter than MG3 .

 

[MystryMan]

CZ 807 is a gem of a weapon. It is basically a Scar inspired design with easy multi caliber (7.62x39 & 5.45x45) conversion. comes in 3 barrel lengths (8", 11", 14"). Manufactured by CZ (It's a statement in itself, people who know small arms know what CZ stands for), no power politics, no sanctions, comes with real TOT. what else do you need?

Regarding the caliber, 7.62X39 is an assault weapon category, which Pakistan needs "now" due to ongoing WOT. 7.62x51 is a battle field caliber, which we don't need "now". If I understand the PA mentality, it will NEVER go with two different OEM's because of obvious financial constraints. I suspect our deal would be to go for TOT for the x39 now with a contract for CZ to design a x51 caliber design per our requirements (in a specified time) with some common design features/parts across both platforms (like butt stock, trigger group, hand guard, rails, lower receiver (with slightly different specs) etc., transfer TOT for the additional parts to enable us to completely manufacture the two weapons at POF. This is exactly what we did in the past H&K G3 + HK MP5 + HK MP5K, all three weapons for three different rolls with many common parts and manufacturing processes. Optimum utilisation of investment.

You put it beautifully, this should be the way to go.

 

[LegitimateIdiot]

Not elite units but every one. Pakistan Army solider these days use two rifles G3 and Type 56 and both will be replaced. CZ 807 will replace Type 56 and talks are on for G3 replacement and for that Berreta ARX 200 and FN SCAR H are competing

so zarvan how would you react if the baretta arx 200 won over the scar

 

[Zarvan]

so zarvan how would you react if the baretta arx 200 won over the scar

Little sad obviously but not that sad because the rifles which were tested I hated AK-103 and Serbian Gun the most and they are out but I would say that SCAR have more chances to come in 7.62 X 51 category but I am also hoping to see more optics coming with new Assault Rifles.

 

[LegitimateIdiot]

Little sad obviously but not that sad because the rifles which were tested I hated AK-103 and Serbian Gun the most and they are out but I would say that SCAR have more chances to come in 7.62 X 51 category but I am also hoping to see more optics coming with new Assault Rifles.

In reality what would you think would win between the arrx 200 and scar

 

[Zarvan]

In reality what would you think would win between the arrx 200 and scar

SCAR H because not only it performed better in trials but also I know people who are in contact with FN and also our Army they are also suggesting that SCAR has more chances but you never know so waiting for final decision to take place on 7.62 X 51 caliber rifle to get selected.

 

[LegitimateIdiot]

I was going to to website talking about the improvements of the cz 806 bren 2 over the cz 805 , but due to my inactivity i can't post links so i'll just copy and paste.

The new Bren 2 significantly improved ergonomics and functionality structure.Manipulators are operated intuitively and tensioning handle itself remains stationary while firing. Added a much better position flask with adjustable feet finished prominent damper / Photo: CZ

 

[Hamza913]

It is out of the race.

Remind me again, what are the ones still in the race to replace the G3?

 

[Areesh]

There is no BREN 7.62 X 51 yet. Pakistan won't wait for more months. Talks are on with Berreta and SCAR H and one of them will be selected

You seriously need to do something for your obsession with this gun Scar-H.

It is just a freaking assault rifle after all.

punjabi jarnails and their new toys. What a pleasant surprise!

Smoking sasti charas in canada??

 

[echo 1]

Congratulations!!!! I had a feeling that they would choose the Bren, very exciting news and progress for Pakistan

Now are these going to be built in house or shipped

 

[T-123456]

@Zarvan bro,so they decided to go for the Bren?

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan bro,so they decided to go for the Bren?

For 7.62 X 39 caliber BREN is coming but for 7.62 X 51 caliber it would be either Berreta ARX 200 or SCAR H

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

From what the rumours are, FN SCAR will be purchased for SSG/SSW/SSG(N) directly from FN without any local production involved. I don't foresee PA replacing thousands of HK G3's with FN SCAR (which costs 2500 - 3000 USD each).

Take a look at the FN Minimi on the table (near SCAR). I guess SF's are getting a new LMG instead of MG3. In modern warfare, there is focus on lighter weapons. Minimi is 3 Kg lighter than MG3 .

SF have had Minimis for years now:


https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...V6u8uK2SQvWi59hMCd3roQ&bvm=bv.141320020,d.d2s

 

[Path-Finder]

From what the rumours are, FN SCAR will be purchased for SSG/SSW/SSG(N) directly from FN without any local production involved. I don't foresee PA replacing thousands of HK G3's with FN SCAR (which costs 2500 - 3000 USD each).

Take a look at the FN Minimi on the table (near SCAR). I guess SF's are getting a new LMG instead of MG3. In modern warfare, there is focus on lighter weapons. Minimi is 3 Kg lighter than MG3 .

thats a Beretta ARX200!

 

[Zarvan]

SF have had Minimis for years now:


https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj32_m6oe3QAhXEthoKHdU1CwcQFggXMAA&url=https://defence.pk/threads/pakistans-special-operations-forces-ssg-ssgn-ssw-sow.113616/&usg=AFQjCNFQ0MKMV6u8uK2SQvWi59hMCd3roQ&bvm=bv.141320020,d.d2s

Yes but Pakistan is also looking to replace MG3 and for that MINIMI 7.62 X 51 are most favorite