Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

Well the cz that guy is holding is 807 in 7.62x39 for sure, based on the curved mag. The chart does say the ammo is 7.62x51 but doesnt specify the gun ... could be scar h, arx200 or g3 or even your speculated bren 2 in 7.62x51. Cant say anything for sure ... to me it looks like the rifle name should be written on the chart, but gun seems to be in the way.
Anyone one knows this person? please ask him if there is a 7.62x51 version under trial for bren if possible. I doubt it is under trial with PA right now even if it exists in CZ's labs.

Regards

I haven't heard of any 7.62 X 51 being in trials. Still waiting to see which Rifle is selected to replace G3

 

[hacker J]

CZ 807 BREN has emerged as the finalist in Pakistan Army Service rifle trials to replace 7.62×39mm Chinese Type 56 rifles, ARMÁDNÍ NOVINY reported quoting Director of Military weapons in České zbrojovce, Martin Šanda. Special version CZ 807 BREN (Soviet 7.62×39mm) was offered to the Pakistan Army.

"Czech arms industry has successfully participated in the tender for the rearmament of the Pakistani army with it's CZ 807. Of the original eight candidates which met the extremely rigorous demands of the Pakistani army, there were only three finalists, including the CZ 807. For an idea of the scope of testing, I can say that the tests were conducted throughout 2016, in all weather conditions from the Himalayan glaciers, where the temperature dropped below -40° C up to the jungle or desert, where they climbed to the contrary, we recorded + 54° C, " commented Martin Šanda, on the Pakistani tender.

"Apart from these tests conducted directly by users of the combat units and weapons, they were tested in laboratory "under applicable methodologies". CZ 807 was evaluated as the best in the context of user tests, for example, but also as the most accurate direct comparison of standardized absolute world elite. Additionally, the testing was attended throughout by CZ representatives who collected valuable data for further development of service weapons. Some of them spent most of the year in Pakistan in difficult conditions," Šanda added.

Hi,
I have heard and read about CZ 805 and CZ 806, is CZ 807 similar to CZ 805A(as specification tell developed in 2005-6) or is it upgraded version of CZ805 ?? If yes than what are the differences ? it is quite amazing the 805

 

[Path-Finder]

@Suff Shikan did you see this chart at the CZ booth?

it is the CZ booth as the BREN is on the table if the chart was a mistake i.e they were meant to write 7.62 X 39 but wrote X51. That could have been understood. BUT in brackets it says 0.308 Win which is another term for 7.62 X 51 and it is 168 grain bullet!!!

Hazrat @Zarvan @TheOccupiedKashmir

 

[my name is nobody]

BTW, I just saw the below pic of a CZ 807 from IDEAS 2016. Look what is written in the background.

Rifle in front was 7,62x39 variant. But the target was CZ BREN in 7,62x51. Actual rifle was not publicly presented inside the CZ booth. If I remember correctly they presented that target because it was accuracy result after endurance test 10,000rds in actual rifle trials in which CZ is participating in both calibers.

 

[Path-Finder]

BTW, I just saw the below pic of a CZ 807 from IDEAS 2016. Look what is written in the background.

Rifle in front was 7,62x39 variant. But the target was CZ BREN in 7,62x51. Actual rifle was not publicly presented inside the CZ booth. If I remember correctly they presented that target because it was accuracy result after endurance test 10,000rds in actual rifle trials in which CZ is participating in both calibers.

can you tag Hazrat @Zarvan in your post

 

[Gryphon]

The chart does say the ammo is 7.62x51 but doesnt specify the gun ... could be scar h, arx200 or g3 or even your speculated bren 2 in 7.62x51.

I don't expect to see a chart related to FN or Beretta at a CZ booth. CZ 806 BREN 2 is available in x51 according to the CZ official cited on page 1. The chart is enough to hint that a x51 will (or already has been) offered to PA.

 

[Areesh]

I don't expect to see a chart related to FN or Beretta at a CZ booth. CZ 806 BREN 2 is available in x51 according to the CZ official cited on page 1. The chart is enough to hint that a x51 will (or already has been) offered to PA.

It is a matter of common sense. Obviously the chart talks about x51 in Bren 2 and not other guns by other manufacturers.

 

[Gryphon]

that is ARX200 and a Italian guy from Beretta is standing in front of him infact there is a video and pics of that table in the pinned thread.

Wait a minute that says ammo used 7.62x51 and that is the CZ booth!!! [ Hazrat @Zarvan ] ooooooh the rabbit hole goes very deep!! This will cause even more heart ache

The first rifle is SCAR, second is ARX-200. Can you name the third one ? The fourth one I assume is CZ 807.

And, as I said earlier, FN and Beretta were out of the race the day LoU was signed with CZ.

it is the CZ booth as the BREN is on the table if the chart was a mistake i.e they were meant to write 7.62 X 39 but wrote X51. That could have been understood. BUT in brackets it says 0.308 Win which is another term for 7.62 X 51 and it is 168 grain bullet!!!

@TheOccupiedKashmir

Look behind the magazine. 07 is visible. I conclude the rifle is a x39 CZ 807 (with curved magazine) but the lines written on the chart are related to x51 CZ 806 BREN 2 or CZ 807.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

In limited numbers and probably the 5.56 mm variant.

Not really that's the main MG for SSW,SSGN and even SSG (who although use even captured PK MGs).

 

[Gryphon]

can you tag Hazrat @Zarvan in your post

It is getting very painful for SCAR fanboys. They are indeed getting a lot of scars somewhere.

 

[Path-Finder]

The first rifle is SCAR, second is ARX-200. Can you name the third one ? The fourth one I assume is CZ 807.

And, as I said earlier, FN and Beretta were out of the race the day LoU was signed with CZ.



Look behind the magazine. 07 is visible. I conclude the rifle is a x39 CZ 807 (with curved magazine) but the lines written on the chart are related to x51 CZ 806 BREN 2 or CZ 807.

Its Zastava M77 I had high quality pics but not anymore or Gen Asim Bajwa's twitter account will have the pics.

https://twitter.com/x/status/709716958481162240

Now that things are becoming clear and the likelihood of a CZ BREN in x51 is more conscious. one has to say, Damn FN SCAR is gone! Can we celebrate the loss Hazrat @Zarvan will need a ambulance

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/22/cz-bren-2-finally-makes-debut-international-market/
A good bet for the second customer is previously-mentioned Pakistan, to whom the 806 Bren 2 offers compatibility with 7.62x39mm ammunition in a very modern platform. The 806 Bren 2 may also be set to compete in the French competition to select a new rifle to replace the aging FAMAS.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...cz-806-bren-2-improved-modular-assault-rifle/

The CZ 806 Bren 2 introduced a number of amendments requested by the soldiers using weapons. First of all slimmed down carbine, mainly by removing excess material with aluminum castle chambers, reducing its mass by 0.5 kg. For comparison, the mass of subkarabinka CZ 805 Bren 1 A2 280 mm barrel is 3.39 / 4.10 kg (without iron sights and magazine / with a full magazine and sling), while his counterpart CZ 806 Bren 2 A2 of the same length barrel – only 2.76 / 2.99 kilograms.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/13/czech-army-buys-first-cz-806-bren-2-rifles/

The first contract, worth CZK417 million (USD16.6 million), is for the delivery of 2,600 CZ 806 Bren 2 rifles, 800 CZ 805 G1 underbarrel grenade launchers, 2,600 Meopta ZD-Dot red dot sights, 1,600 Meopta DV-Mag3 3x magnifiers, 1,450 Meopta NV-Mag3 night vision sights, 500 DBAL-A2 laser pointer/illuminator, and spare parts.

Long and Short barrels

So it would cost like 3 Billion to procure 500,000 rifles...?

 

[Gryphon]

From miltechmag.com article (9 September 2016) :

Surely one of the largest small arms contracts to be awarded in the foreseeable future, the Pakistani competition includes a requirement for technology transfer and licence manufacture – a scenario Jakub Sondel (Head of Sports and Display Team) asserts lies at the heart of CZ’s continuing development strategy. “The results to date have been very encouraging and we have every reason to believe we are a very strong contender for this order,” he said.

 

[That Guy]

Eh, I look at it as a usage issue. It's big and cumbersome making it great as a fixed gun emplacement or ship self defense weapon, but poor for maneuver warfare or supporting fast moving infantry. As such you typically see it used in such a manner.

No one's going around firing the damn thing from the hip like a 30 cal Stinger.

For supporting infantry assaults, lighter weapons are always going to be preferred.

The gun is fine. How it's being used needs to be reexamined and a shift in tactical usage reassessed.

That said for infantry support I whole heartedly support a shift towards a lighter more portable weapon like the FN Minimi.

The thing is, every role I can see for it, there are just better options for Pakistan. How much longer can Pakistan continue to use the MG3, before it becomes completely obsolete?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The thing is, every role I can see for it, there are just better options for Pakistan. How much longer can Pakistan continue to use the MG3, before it becomes completely obsolete?

I think POF should be tasked to develop a new LMG - independently or with a partner. Like the LSR, an LMG is for specific or specialized scenarios, and as such, it does not have the urgent priority or mass adoption scale of standard-issue assault rifles or battle rifles. In turn, POF has space to design a system and gradually improve it, as it is doing with the LSR.