Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[That Guy]

Seems an agenda being followed ...keep it buddy

Mataan Sahib i don't have any plan....
Sorry to disturb u r party.....Enjoy u won't me see u again....

Yes, there is an agenda. Cthulhu is out to get you.

Listen, you don't have to pretend to be something you're not, I'm not going to shame you for it...well, not unless you give me a reason to, which you did.

We're all enthusiasts here, and the few professionals that are here, worked their asses off getting actually claim their professionals; they PROVED they were professionals. It angers me when fakes try to pose as something they're not, it is insulting towards people like @gambit @Joe Shearer @jhungary , all of whom actually worked hard to have the right to be called military professionals.

We've had people claim they're ex-diplomats, politicians, soldiers, and it turned out to be fake a lot of the time. You have to understand that we won't just believe you, simply because you say something.

I sincerely hope you get over this, and enjoy the forum, but you shouldn't claim something you're not.

 

[That Guy]

Thanking u for this but my child this time u proved original person wrong.

Good buy..

Your choice. I've given you an olive branch, if you change your mind, it'll still be there when you come back.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not only are you a racist, but you're not acting very professional. I've already stated my reasons, I will not give you my number, where my identity can be easily stolen and found.

What if I were to go to the media with what you're saying? A police official acting like a petulant child, shameful.

you made a schoolboy mistake by engaging that suicide troll.
Never do that . no matter what. just report and move on

notice the name at the bottom. You can get rid of the text, but you can't get rid of the water mark. So far, all you've done is go on google images.

@MastanKhan I'm disappointed, I thought you'd back me on this.

there was no need to spend that much time. the person with apathetic excuse for existence you repeatedly responded to belongs to a breed which we normally know as Kuta Machi ..

 

[That Guy]

you made a schoolboy mistake by engaging that suicide troll.
Never do that . no matter what. just report and move on


there was no need to spend that much time. the person with apathetic excuse for existence you repeatedly responded to belongs to a breed which we normally know as Kuta Machi ..

Fair enough, I'll refrain from such actions in the future.

To me fair to me, I was mostly having fun with it.

 

[That Guy]

@Zarvan Now that the...problem is gone, heard anything about the trial lately?

I ask, because to me, it is becoming more and more clear that a winner may be declared in November.

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan Now that the...problem is gone, heard anything about the trial lately?

I ask, because to me, it is becoming more and more clear that a winner may be declared in November.

I don't have any news yet may be @balixd have or @Horus

 

[Thorough Pro]

I think it has more to do with German policy of small arm exports.....

And you need to ask Military leadership that why on earth they are not testing HK-417

 

[50cent]

Just work Turkish companies to reduce weight of their latest mpt rifle to make it equivalent to m4 and adopt it . Other option will be expensive

Just off topic it's.govermnent who will decide whether to replace and what's to replace according to their budget so what's the purpose of this poll. .day dreaming

 

[That Guy]

I think it has more to do with German policy of small arm exports.....

From what I know, HK just didn't answer PA's calls for request for information.

 

[Thorough Pro]

because they are following their policy of no export of small arms in conflict regions

From what I know, HK just didn't answer PA's calls for request for information.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@proka89

Any updates from your Zastava guy?

 

[proka89]

@proka89

Any updates from your Zastava guy?

Nothing new.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@That Guy @Arsalan

I know that it has been argued that 'money is not a problem' in regards to this rifle program, but it is worth mentioning that the MKEK MPT-76 is costing the Turkish Army around $1,200 a unit (I can't post a link - but Google "MPT-76 $" and find the Jane's article). That is considerably lower than the average we're expecting from any of the leading designs, especially the SCAR.

The MPT-76's price may be a reflection of the scale MKEK is expecting to get through the Turkish MoD and MoI. So on the one hand, it is an example of how producing another design in Pakistan (for argument's sake, SCAR) could be a major boon for the OEM. Our scale is valuable.

On the other hand, if MKEK can iterate quickly (which it will have to in order to keep up with the Turkish Army's use and feedback), then a Pakistani order might push the price down further (albeit with diminishing marginal drops). Still, it leaves a healthy financial space for valuable add-ons, e.g. sights, scopes, UBGL, etc.

 

[Arsalan]

@That Guy @Arsalan

I know that it has been argued that 'money is not a problem' in regards to this rifle program, but it is worth mentioning that the MKEK MPT-76 is costing the Turkish Army around $1,200 a unit (I can't post a link - but Google "MPT-76 $" and find the Jane's article). That is considerably lower than the average we're expecting from any of the leading designs, especially the SCAR.

The MPT-76's price may be a reflection of the scale MKEK is expecting to get through the Turkish MoD and MoI. So on the one hand, it is an example of how producing another design in Pakistan (for argument's sake, SCAR) could be a major boon for the OEM. Our scale is valuable.

On the other hand, if MKEK can iterate quickly (which it will have to in order to keep up with the Turkish Army's use and feedback), then a Pakistani order might push the price down further (albeit with diminishing marginal drops). Still, it leaves a healthy financial space for valuable add-ons, e.g. sights, scopes, UBGL, etc.

Money is sure a problem. We may have funds set aside for the gun procurement but you know that the idea of saving some of those to be spend on some other project can be lucrative. It is not like we have billions we are looking to throw around. This is the reason I feel that money too will be a point to consider and given the gun is performing OK as per our requirement and is coming cheap we may very well consider going with that. For me CZ BERN may be that option and you rightly point out to MPT-76. The other main thing that will be considered will be the side benefits. Who will allow us to manufacture this at POF and then who will allow us to export it as well. Who will offer POF to be a registered supplier of their gun or gun parts. These are purely business decisions and these all will have their say in the final decision.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Money is sure a problem. We may have funds set aside for the gun procurement but you know that the idea of saving some of those to be spend on some other project can be lucrative. It is not like we have billions we are looking to throw around. This is the reason I feel that money too will be a point to consider and given the gun is performing OK as per our requirement and is coming cheap we may very well consider going with that. For me CZ BERN may be that option and you rightly point out to MPT-76. The other main thing that will be considered will be the side benefits. Who will allow us to manufacture this at POF and then who will allow us to export it as well. Who will offer POF to be a registered supplier of their gun or gun parts. These are purely business decisions and these all will have their say in the final decision.

Did we receive the CZ Bren 7.62 NATO variant? I've never seen one.