Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Arsalan]

So I was right that Berretta was performing well.

actually you know that it is not like a race. Its an evaluation process so statements like "xyz have left all others far behinde" are misleading. It should be and it is, as you said, doing well or not doing well. Or as @balixd says, "best in trials"

I mean, how can we say a gun have been left far behinde or a gin is far ahead is both have passed all evaluation stages, have both fired accurately and have proven reliability in all given conditions. If both are doing same they are almost at same level, not far behinde or ahead. If one have faild, lets say, cold weather testing then it is actually failed! out! there are actually 3 or 4 guns in process right now which are all passing with one reported to have lacked in a single aspect but still kept in the game.

lets see what happens. i would again mention, stree upon, based on all the talks and discussions i had with concerned people that the field tests are ONE PART of the bigger evaluation and selection process and there are many many other things that will be considered.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Amer R]

SCAR N is love i have use that

 

[Zarvan]

SCAR N is love i have use that

Are you in Forces ? Or do you have some relatives in forces ?

 

[Zarvan]

SCAR 16 SPR + SilencerCo Saker 7.62

 

[T-123456]

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When will it be decided?

 

[RAMPAGE]

When will it be decided?

Spoiler

 

[Zarvan]

When will it be decided?

We are also waiting but most probably we would hear about the winner during IDEAS 2016 which is going to be held in November.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

We are also waiting but most probably we would hear about the winner during IDEAS 2016 which is going to be held in November.

I think we'll learn more about it during IDEAS 2016, but it'll be a while before a winner is announced.

 

[Zarvan]

BREAKING: Kalashnikov Concern Discontinues AK-12, Replaces It with… The New AK-12!

AK-47 / AK-74 / Everything AK, Companies, Daily News, Guns & Gear, News, Other Gear & Gadgets, Rifles by Nathaniel F with 42 Comments
Tags: 2016, 5.45x39, ak-12, ak-400, ak-74, AKs forever, armia, army, assault rifle, kalashnikov concern, next generation,ratnik, rifle, russian, upgrade

The AK-12 is dead. Long live the AK-12! That’s the song Kalashnikov Concern is singing this week at the recent ARMY 2016 expo in Moscow, Russia. The radical AK-12 prototypes that have dominated Kalashnikov’s press over the past two years are gone, replaced by a more conservative rifle – also called “AK-12” – based on the Concern’s previous AK-400 prototypes. The new rifle addresses the Russian Army’s concerns regarding the AK-12’s cost and issues in fully automatic fire, an anonymous source told TFB, and is expected to be much cheaper to build than the previous model. It incorporates many of the same improvements developed for the previous AK-12 model, but improves the strength and resilience of some of the components.



The new AK-12’s design shares more in common with the existing AK-74 than its predecessor, but it will not be a retrofit to existing rifles, the source said. Several improvements were made to the rifle’s receiver, such as an improved and far more rigid top cover interface and a new free-floated barrel. The new AK-12 reportedly outperforms the existing AK-74 by at least the margin requested by the Russian government. The 5.45x39mm AK-12 appears to also be accompanied by the 7.62x39mm caliber AK-15, evidently of similar design.


The 7.62x39mm AK-15.



Our source told us that the new AK-12 is already undergoing troop trials with the Russian Army, where it competes against the Degtyarov A545 balanced action rifle. The winner of the Ratnik rifle competition is expected to be announced later this autumn.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...oncern-discontinues-ak-12-replaces-new-ak-12/

In future these could come as replacement for Type 56

 

[Thorough Pro]

Agree.

An evaluation is measurement of performance against a pre-determined set of criteria like
Ability to safely fire when subjected to
-50 degrees Celsius for more than xx hours
+50 degrees Celsius for more than xx hours
immersed in water for more than xx time
immersed in salt water foe more than xx time
buried in xx deep in sand
buried in mud
subjected to intermittent fire for more than xx time or xxxx rounds
barrel life
accuracy
rate of failure (FTF, FTE)
ease of assembly and disassembly in the field
ease of cleaning
number of shots fired between cleanings
weight
recoil
accuracy, and hundreds more

each weapons is rated on each criteria, some perform best in one set of criteria, others in others and the final decision/ranking is based on the final report card subject to meeting minimums for each set

actually you know that it is not like a race. Its an evaluation process so statements like "xyz have left all others far behinde" are misleading. It should be and it is, as you said, doing well or not doing well. Or as @balixd says, "best in trials"

I mean, how can we say a gun have been left far behinde or a gin is far ahead is both have passed all evaluation stages, have both fired accurately and have proven reliability in all given conditions. If both are doing same they are almost at same level, not far behinde or ahead. If one have faild, lets say, cold weather testing then it is actually failed! out! there are actually 3 or 4 guns in process right now which are all passing with one reported to have lacked in a single aspect but still kept in the game.

lets see what happens. i would again mention, stree upon, based on all the talks and discussions i had with concerned people that the field tests are ONE PART of the bigger evaluation and selection process and there are many many other things that will be considered.

 

[Zarvan]

Agree.

An evaluation is measurement of performance against a pre-determined set of criteria like
Ability to safely fire when subjected to
-50 degrees Celsius for more than xx hours
+50 degrees Celsius for more than xx hours
immersed in water for more than xx time
immersed in salt water foe more than xx time
buried in xx deep in sand
buried in mud
subjected to intermittent fire for more than xx time or xxxx rounds
barrel life
accuracy
rate of failure (FTF, FTE)
ease of assembly and disassembly in the field
ease of cleaning
number of shots fired between cleanings
weight
recoil
accuracy, and hundreds more

each weapons is rated on each criteria, some perform best in one set of criteria, others in others and the final decision/ranking is based on the final report card subject to meeting minimums for each set

Well good to know but waiting desperately for the results. And on the other hand is this new AK-12 and AK-15 are interesting developments

 

[Vergennes]

@Arsalan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @RAMPAGE @balixd @That Guy

I was wondering,is corruption and bribery widespread when it comes to PA's acquisitions ? I was wondering if this could be a factor in the final choice ?

 

[RAMPAGE]

was wondering if this could be a factor in the final choice ?

No, it won't be. Something as consequential as the standard rifle procurement would be placed under scrutiny. PA won't make any compromise on quality and any whiff of corruption is bound to be picked up by professional high-ups or our ever vigilant COAS.

@Vergennes

 

[Thorough Pro]

Corruption is inevitable, kick backs might be a factor in negotiations but the decisions are to a greater extent based on product performance and merit.

@Arsalan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @RAMPAGE @balixd @That Guy

I was wondering,is corruption and bribery widespread when it comes to PA's acquisitions ? I was wondering if this could be a factor in the final choice ?