Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

You guys need to calm down and give this discussion a rest, they are not going to pick up a new rifle over night......we are never too sure what is going to happen next....initially VT 4 arrived in Pakistan, december 2014 we were told that is it, but then came al8ng whole bunch of other goodies.....and 1 year down the road we still dont have a clear winner.......

We had weapon trails for Bolt action sniper, awp, bora competed heck we even made up a whole next Sniper rifle in house st PoF and started producing match grade .308 rounds, but still that is in the hanging......

SCAH L and HK are not here doesnt mean we are never going to see them......things can change......budget issues, lengthy trails, contract issues, setting up plant......

Calm your horses down..... I can understand the excitement, heck even i couldnt control myself when i was handed over the phone with pictures, i was zooming in andout trying to figure out details, asking questions......but then it all came to rest.........so relax and say WOOSAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!


We have our bubble of "Secrecy" and "Security" even though Daudsons is providing shotguns, paint ball guns and ubl to military still they are not entrusted to provide the weapons of Military grade.....we have the man power and with right people employed into the private industry it can be outsourced but then again comes the issue of keeping a check on employees, what if someone sells out the military grade weapon to non state actors......same thing happened with those Chinese .223 we captured from peshwar few weeks back......

We have moon star, daudsons, sheroz sons, they all make perfect clones of Sig P226, M 1911? Heck we are evn making copies of M4 A1 with colt stamped and those are some really really good copies, but then comes the issue of metallurgy, parties involved are not using the correct time of metal.....hence you require expert on the management and design level...
Setting up a plant large enough to meet our target is a pain in itself

If Pakistan will select FN SCAR than I am pretty sure they would go for both SCAR H and SCAR L

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

future is of laser weapons when Pakistan army will introduce it...

 

[thrilainmanila]

The new assault rifles would need to be circulated through the SSG,NSSG, and SSAW before being introduced to the pak army regular infantry it makes no sense upgrading your infantrymen with highly sophisticated assault riffles like the SCAR and the spec ops operating the M4s/scoped AKs.

 

[Zarvan]

The new assault rifles would need to be circulated through the SSG,NSSG, and SSAW before being introduced to the pak army regular infantry it makes no sense upgrading your infantrymen with highly sophisticated assault riffles like the SCAR and the spec ops operating the M4s/scoped AKs.

SSG is doing good it's time for infantry and we are getting rid of G3 which is not used by SSG so new Gun will go to infantry

 

[SQ8]

The new assault rifles would need to be circulated through the SSG,NSSG, and SSAW before being introduced to the pak army regular infantry it makes no sense upgrading your infantrymen with highly sophisticated assault riffles like the SCAR and the spec ops operating the M4s/scoped AKs.

What is highly sophisticated in the basic versions? please elaborate

 

[thrilainmanila]

What is highly sophisticated in the basic versions? please elaborate

The SCAR is a more advanced rifle then any version of the AK in service with the SSG even in its "basic" form,

 

[SQ8]

The SCAR is a more advanced rifle then any version of the AK in service with the SSG even in its "basic" form,

Again, please elaborate how or hold your peace. Have the courage to post why without making needless sweeping statements if you cant even back it up with knowledge.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Again, please elaborate how or hold your peace. Have the courage to post why without making needless sweeping statements if you cant even back it up with knowledge.

The scar is a new generation of assault rifle, the Ak47 was introduced over 6 decades ago, the SCAr represents the latest generation of assault rifle, it doesn't make sense for specialised units to operate an upgraded version of a decades old weapon and have the infantry obtain a more highly advanced design, in terms of precision and accuracy of fire the SCAR is a better weapon the point I'm trying to make is the specialised units would need there old generation of weapons replaced first as it serves there mission profile greater then the infantry

 

[SQ8]

The scar is a new generation of assault rifle, the Ak47 was introduced over 6 decades ago, the SCAr represents the latest generation of assault rifle, it doesn't make sense for specialised units to operate an upgraded version of a decades old weapon and have the infantry obtain a more highly advanced design, in terms of precision and accuracy of fire the SCAR is a better weapon the point I'm trying to make is the specialised units would need there old generation of weapons replaced first as it serves there mission profile greater then the infantry

You are talking like a newscaster paid to prolong the program with needless beating around the bush. Please highlight where in your post have you given ANYTHING that talks on the rifle's mechanism, construction materials or otherwise that make it beyond the capability of a normal trained Pakistani soldier.

 

[HAIDER]

You are talking like a newscaster paid to prolong the program with needless beating around the bush. Please highlight where in your post have you given ANYTHING that talks on the rifle's mechanism, construction materials or otherwise that make it beyond the capability of a normal trained Pakistani soldier.

What attracts more to this age soldier. range or precision , accuracy ?..or all factor weight, range and accuracy ,,if yes then what comes in your mind.

 

[Zarvan]

What attracts more to this age soldier. range or precision , accuracy ?..or all factor weight, range and accuracy ,,if yes then what comes in your mind.

Well for me more than accuracy it's weather Guns jams or not the less it's the more I would prefer that Gun.

 

[HAIDER]

Best pick for Pak soldier for both hot and cold region. From desert to tops of Siachin.

 

[SQ8]

What attracts more to this age soldier. range or precision , accuracy ?..or all factor weight, range and accuracy ,,if yes then what comes in your mind.

Everything works.. but generally.. weight needs to balance out.
The M-16 is a light rifle as such but with its plastic butt it became useless in hand to hand combat which happens more often than not in urban scenarios and other situations.

The G-3 has excellent range and accuracy but it is too heavy and prone to jamming in certain weather conditions.

So the perfect rifle is essentially a question of compromise... a smaller guy may like a lighter weapon but would seem like a toy to a bigger person and be out of balance with a good bayonet.

Rifle accuracy can be achieved with different internal mechanics but these may be detrimental to firing rate or field serviceability.

Then comes in the round preference, which round(with its weight, velocity and ballistics) would one want. Pakistan liked the G-3 because the 7.62 round is more suited to longer ranges and is detrimental in terms of ammo carrying capacity and the list goes on and on.

Essentially, the biggest factor will be basic cost effectiveness but considering that a certain general forced the local production of the MP-5 and its widespread adoption after fattening his own pockets..much to the protests of the evaluating team; one can only hope such characters still dont exist otherwise we might end up with the QBz-1 or some other ill suited weapon while some brass ends up moving out of one of their 4 kanal DHA houses to a penthouse in Dubai and send their kids to harvard via donation.

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Oscar
Sir what about locally licensed produced M4-carbine ? special forces already using them in small numbers...

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar
Sir what about locally licensed produced M4-carbine ? special forces already using them in small numbers...

Huzoor, the M-4 is a good weapon but trades in certain performances from the M-16. It is still a good option but it is dated.