Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[django]

why not take a leaf from Horus book and keep quiet about it? clearly you don't know!

Some sensible advice for you Hazrat!

 

[Zarvan]

@Horus Janab any new update ????

 

[Thunder.Storm]

No.

 

[Path-Finder]

@Horus Janab any new update ????

Hazrat these are ARX 100! not 200

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat these are ARX 100! not 200

Hazrat I know that but when I say Pakistan should produce more than one Rifle series I mean all calibers of that Gun. For example we should produce both 5.56 and 7.62 versions of SCAR and if 7.62 X 39 comes than also that one. And with SCAR either Beretta or some other Rifle series should come.

Bhai yeh Itali wala general aisy hi aaya hoga ghomanay phirnay....aaplog ziada andazy na qaim kerlain.

I am not reaching any conclusion and although Berreta is a Italian company but a private company so we all know that.

@Horus

 

[Path-Finder]

Hazrat I know that but when I say Pakistan should produce more than one Rifle series I mean all calibers of that Gun. For example we should produce both 5.56 and 7.62 versions of SCAR and if 7.62 X 39 comes than also that one. And with SCAR either Beretta or some other Rifle series should come.


I am not reaching any conclusion and although Berreta is a Italian company but a private company so we all know that.

Hazrat if only wishes were horses! The cost of making more rifles than needed is huge financial burden. Not even the US does that.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Hazrat I know that but when I say Pakistan should produce more than one Rifle series I mean all calibers of that Gun. For example we should produce both 5.56 and 7.62 versions of SCAR and if 7.62 X 39 comes than also that one. And with SCAR either Beretta or some other Rifle series should come.


I am not reaching any conclusion and although Berreta is a Italian company but a private company so we all know that.

I know, just clowning around.
I voted for Berreta btw.

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat if only wishes were horses! The cost of making more rifles than needed is huge financial burden. Not even the US does that.

USA doesn't do it because it has hundreds of private companies and yes we need to encourage private sector but Janab we will get permission to export and just imagine the kind of market we can capture. Because many many African and South American and Muslim country can't afford to buy Rifles directly from Italy or Belgium or Switzerland but same rifles produced by us will cost way less

 

[Path-Finder]

USA doesn't do it because it has hundreds of private companies and yes we need to encourage private sector but Janab we will get permission to export and just imagine the kind of market we can capture. Because many many African and South American and Muslim country can't afford to buy Rifles directly from Italy or Belgium or Switzerland but same rifles produced by us will cost way less

Hazrat Let me quiz you on something! Lets say you get your wish and FN is being produced in Pakistan, first there will have to be a complete transfer of skill which entails people being trained on the manufacturing followed by the Machining and Tooling that will be used to set up shop.

The cost of that will be high very! Do you know how much each machine costs? any rough Ideas? These are not the ancient machines you see when you are out and about in your Bazar but highly advanced. But one machine wont do the job many machines are needed to make just one rifle.

Then you have to take into consideration materials needs the special type of alloy's along with polymers and I can tell you now Hazrat Pakistan steel mill is in trouble! High Quality polymers you tell me where they are being produced? Each rifle uses different tensile strength of alloys for all components in it.

Factor all of this in then tell me you want to make more than one rifle. can you be that sure that the end product will be so cheap that others will place orders? Because once the production begins priority number 1 will be to fulfill Pakistan's orders not foreign orders!

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Any Update Hint on when they will take the decision????

 

[Zarvan]

Hazrat Let me quiz you on something! Lets say you get your wish and FN is being produced in Pakistan, first there will have to be a complete transfer of skill which entails people being trained on the manufacturing followed by the Machining and Tooling that will be used to set up shop.

The cost of that will be high very! Do you know how much each machine costs? any rough Ideas? These are not the ancient machines you see when you are out and about in your Bazar but highly advanced. But one machine wont do the job many machines are needed to make just one rifle.

Then you have to take into consideration materials needs the special type of alloy's along with polymers and I can tell you now Hazrat Pakistan steel mill is in trouble! High Quality polymers you tell me where they are being produced? Each rifle uses different tensile strength of alloys for all components in it.

Factor all of this in then tell me you want to make more than one rifle. can you be that sure that the end product will be so cheap that others will place orders? Because once the production begins priority number 1 will be to fulfill Pakistan's orders not foreign orders!

Producing new Rifle it not totally different thing that our guys would need lot of training on few days of training will be enough and yes we know what machine costs only after doing that we went for rifle trials. And yes end product will be way cheaper than European Price

 

[Path-Finder]

Producing new Rifle it not totally different thing that our guys would need lot of training on few days of training will be enough and yes we know what machine costs only after doing that we went for rifle trials. And yes end product will be way cheaper than European Price

That makes no sense Hazrat I was expecting a detailed answer with good technical detail that would educate me among other member of the forum on the benefits of producing more than one OEM rifle.

 

[Zarvan]

That makes no sense Hazrat I was expecting a detailed answer with good technical detail that would educate me among other member of the forum on the benefits of producing more than one OEM rifle.

The Labor cost and also material cost will much less also other factors are involved. Even we were getting more orders of G3 for same reason not just that we were only one left producing it but also because our costs were way less than other countries

 

[Path-Finder]

The Labor cost and also material cost will much less also other factors are involved. Even we were getting more orders of G3 for same reason not just that we were only one left producing it but also because our costs were way less than other countries

Again Hazrat you have just given a sweeping statement. The old G3 and the newer rifles, there is a century that splits them apart in their manufacturing process. Anyway you don't have a concise answer to it so let's leave it at that.

 

[django]

Hazrat @Zarvan All quiet on the SCAR front?????? looking less likely by the day, get used to a variant of the CZ 807, much much,,,much more likely.Kudos Hazrat