Pakistan's missed opportunity

[Guynextdoor2]

No, it was a white British man called MacMahon, who drew a line across Asian territory.

Now Indians believe it is their territory, because of MacMahon's line.

The problem is that a white British man like MacMahon has absolutely ZERO authority to tell Asians where there land is.

Oh when you're weak and drained, instead of facing up to the fact that you had no strength, you'll come up with tributes paid 800 years ago and 'british man' McMohan. History doesn't have to restore you what you lost. States that become independent, become so. Most importantly, you are still a dictatorship and populated democratic areas will not be transferred to dictatorships.

 

[Spring Onion]

I haven't. CD brought the 'incursions'. You should ask him.

but you brought wrong comparison

even India cries over Sri lanka-China growing defence relations

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The fact of the matter is this: While China will continue arming Pakistan and there will certainly be a lot of cooperation between the two, China is investing far more in per capita terms and obviously in absolute terms in India.

China will never again put such an offer on the table with Pakistan, simply because India will then join the US led Japan, US, Vietnam, Philippines, South Korea alliance. Something which India has been staying away from for the hope of better relations with China.

India joining the US camp is no issue at all.

What did the USA do when Russia invaded their ally Georgia? They said some friendly things to Georgia, then didn't do anything.

What about South Korea, arguably America's closest ally in the region? They were bombed to Hell by North Korea, who even sunk a South Korean battleship, killing hundreds of South Korean military personnel. As well as killing South Korean civilians with artillery bombardment.

America is the expert at this game. They said some friendly words to South Korea, but didn't help them against multiple fatal attacks from North Korea.

You think America could not militarily punish North Korea? They could obviously do it, but they choose not to, every time. They are clever, they let others fight it out, while they grow stronger on the sidelines.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

It seems pretty much all the Indians here agree with Developereo's ridiculous premise that "China will ditch Pakistan and choose India instead".

Which makes sense, since such an thing would serve India's interests, not Pakistan's.

Of course it will. Why do you think there are warlike situations between India and Pak? Has the pak govt declared direct war in for Kashmir in the last 40 years? Of course not. The stated stand of all civilian govts. has been that this needs to be negotiated and settled. But we ended up with near war situations coz 'non state actors' with no mandate from govt barge in and attack India (think mumbai). So Pak can't control these clowns- these clowns drag the subcontinent into a war- and mother china has to deploy troops because signed a piece of paper? The reason why there will be no security pact is because Chinese establishment does not believe that it's worth it. They get exposed to warlike situations without any rational reason.

 

[Jade]

Man on humanitarian grounds, just say that China should abandon Pakistan make alliance with India to give PDF Indians some peace of mind

Economic interests have their own way of playing games on relations between countries. There are lot of examples from history: EU is one. A continent that was in midst of war just some 70 years ago are taking of having a political union. Isn't it ironic.

 

[godofwar]

It seems pretty much all the Indians here agree with Developereo's ridiculous premise that "China will ditch Pakistan and choose India instead".

Which makes sense, since such an thing would serve India's interests, not Pakistan's.

I think you are trolling.Nobody can be so naive
Are international relations decided on PDF ?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

India joining the US camp is no issue at all.

What did the USA do when Russia invaded their ally Georgia? They said some friendly things to Georgia, then didn't do anything.

What about South Korea, arguably America's closest ally in the region? They were bombed to Hell by North Korea, who even sunk a South Korean battleship, killing hundreds of South Korean military personnel. As well as killing South Korean civilians with artillery bombardment.

America is the expert at this game. They said some friendly words to South Korea, but didn't help them against multiple fatal attacks from North Korea.

You think America could not militarily punish North Korea? They could obviously do it, but they choose not to, every time. They are clever, they let others fight it out, while they grow stronger on the sidelines.

Good luck doing that as dictators.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I think you are trolling.Nobody can be so naive
International relations are decided on PDF ?

Obviously not. As with all other threads, on all other internet forums, this is a hypothetical discussion.

Obviously.

History doesn't have to restore you what you lost.

You're right, we have to do that ourselves.

As we did before.

 

[Spring Onion]

It seems pretty much all the Indians here agree with Developereo's ridiculous premise that "China will ditch Pakistan and choose India instead".

Which makes sense, since such an thing would serve India's interests, not Pakistan's.

if ditching means China wont give us monetary help then i am with China

By siding with India does not mean China will give up own territory

 

[godofwar]

Obviously not. As with all other threads, on all other internet forums, this is a hypothetical discussion.

Obviously.

then read post #20 and realize that **** Chini are not bhai bhai
Leave the jingoisms for Pakistani masses.

 

[kbd-raaf]

India joining the US camp is no issue at all.

What did the USA do when Russia invaded their ally Georgia? They said some friendly things to Georgia, then didn't do anything.

What about South Korea, arguably America's closest ally in the region? They were bombed to Hell by North Korea, who even sunk a South Korean battleship, killing hundreds of South Korean military personnel. As well as killing South Korean civilians with artillery bombardment.

America is the expert at this game. They said some friendly words to South Korea, but didn't help them against multiple fatal attacks from North Korea.

You think America could not militarily punish North Korea? They could obviously do it, but they choose not to, every time. They are clever, they let others fight it out, while they grow stronger on the sidelines.

Oh but the US intervened in Kuwait, it intervened in Korea, it intervened in Vietnam. Where it suits them, they will intervene. Georgia is a tiny ally that stood no chance of defeating a Russian invasion. North Korea has a permanent gun to its own head.

China on the other hand has only ever had praise for India, for China, India is one of the highest foreign policy targets. A friendly India will allow China to free up its southern borders, something which it really really needs to do. Japan is still the most powerful navy in Asia and they are backed by the most powerful navy in the world.

China is quite possibly the only real threat to its economic superpowerdom that the US has had, the USSR was never more than a fraction of the US economy. It will intervene in order to make sure it stays in its number 1 rank.

China has no real significant allies, of all its neighbours, India is the only one who is really willing to let that happen.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

India joining the US camp is no issue at all.

What did the USA do when Russia invaded their ally Georgia? They said some friendly things to Georgia, then didn't do anything.

What about South Korea, arguably America's closest ally in the region? They were bombed to Hell by North Korea, who even sunk a South Korean battleship, killing hundreds of South Korean military personnel. As well as killing South Korean civilians with artillery bombardment.

America is the expert at this game. They said some friendly words to South Korea, but didn't help them against multiple fatal attacks from North Korea.

You think America could not militarily punish North Korea? They could obviously do it, but they choose not to, every time. They are clever, they let others fight it out, while they grow stronger on the sidelines.

I'm gonna show a very very important point here. Tell me, if the US has been such a big trade partner for China, why is the CHinese establishment obsessed with 'beating' the US and 'becoming No.1'- what's your explanation?

 

[kurup]

No, it was a white British man called MacMahon, who drew a line across Asian territory.

Now Indians believe it is their territory, because of MacMahon's line.

The problem is that a colonial British man like MacMahon has absolutely ZERO authority to tell Asians where there land is.

Which Asians are you talking about??

There are residents of Arunachal Pradesh in this forum .

Ask them about what they think about china .

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I'm gonna show a very very important point here. Tell me, if the US has been such a big trade partner for China, why is the CHinese establishment obsessed with 'beating' the US and 'becoming No.1'- what's your explanation?

We're not though:

Hu Jintao: China is still a developing country - Xinhua

We're not even a developed country yet, let alone a superpower which is miles off.

Now contrast this with the statement from India's President:

India to become superpower by 2012: Kalam - Economic Times

 

[Commander T]

Exactly. In fact had India not been strictly into NAM, India and Pakistan could well have been allies!


So in short - Pakistan could not have joined China in the attack.

1: really .... .......for once, russia and USA can be allies but India and Pakistan can never ever be allies...
2: i will say if it would have been known to public at that time pakistan would have attacked Kashmir, as in case of india pakistanis can even fight with sticks if they have to.....as you have seen the situaton in 1965 lahore border

I believe Pakistan would not waste a second opportunity.

No way..... Not this time.........