Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad-New York Times

[Pakistani E]

Lol. For those wanting a "logical" response to this rubbish. Does this count?

The US and its allies in the middle east are responsible for ISIS and other terrorist reincarnations:

"On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting."

"Reports were cited that MI6 had cooperated with the CIA on a “rat line” of arms transfers from Libyan stockpiles to the Syrian rebels in 2012 after the fall of the Gaddafi regime."

"A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts – and effectively welcomes – the prospect of a “Salafist principality” in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq."

"In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria” – and states that “western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey” were supporting the opposition’s efforts to take control of eastern Syria."

"Raising the “possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality”, the Pentagon report goes on, “this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)”.

"A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state” – despite the “grave danger” to Iraq’s unity – as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria."

Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq | Seumas Milne | Opinion | The Guardian

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan invaded Iraq and removed Saddam, bombed Libya and Syria. Bunch of assholes covering for their continuous failures in Middle East.

They forgot to mention Pakistan's invasion of the Soviet Union during world war 2 and Pakistan's invasion of Vietnam in the 60s & 70s. Apparently according to the new york times there is no country in the world left that as not been invaded and ravaged by Pakistan.

In a latest twist, the new york times has reported that Pakistani Mullahs are preparing to invade Brazil and take all the Lambada and Samba girls for themselves. Not one will be left in Brazil.

 

[Vapnope]

Yeah pretty much

 

[Jaanbaz]

They forgot to mention Pakistan's invasion of the Soviet Union during world war 2 and Pakistan's invasion of Vietnam in the 60s & 70s. Apparently according to the new york times there is no country in the world left that as not been invaded and ravaged by Pakistan.

In a latest twist, the new york times as reported that Pakistani Mullahs are preparing to invade Brazil and take all the Lambada and Samba girls for themselves. Not one will be left in Brazil.

Yeah, according to New York times and their Indian call centre fan boys, Pakistan removed legitimate governments in Iraq, Libya and tried it in Syria.

And forget Brazil, evil Pakistan planning to annex Tamil Nadu.

 

[Vapnope]

And the writer name is Carlotta Gall, there i save you 5 minutes of BS you might had to read.

 

[jaunty]

Twisted headline. Although the ISIS line is indeed present in the article as a speculation and perhaps even as an exaggeration, it is not the main focus of the article. The original headline is quite appropriate. Pakistan has always been a proponent of global jihad. It started when "terrorism" was not even a term. Pakistan used non-state actors as proxies as early as 1947, soon after its independence when it sent tribal militias to Kashmir and it has continued since then, non stop, in one form or another. As the article mentions, Afghan Taliban still receives support from Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

Twisted headline. Although the ISIS line is indeed present in the article as a speculation and perhaps even as an exaggeration, it is not the main focus of the article. The original headline is quite appropriate. Pakistan has always been a proponent of global jihad. It started when "terrorism" was not even a term. Pakistan used non-state actors as proxies as early as 1947, soon after its independence when it sent tribal militias to Kashmir and it has continued since then, non stop, in one form or another. As the article mentions, Afghan Taliban still receives support from Pakistan.

But why follow rules in not changing titles when it suits a certain mindset encouraged here?

 

[EAK]

 

[Super Falcon]

Who used mujahidens its all mess USA creates than it put burden of its sins to other nations iraq kuwait war was another example

Creating mess in ASIA is a top priority for USA every decade u see since 60s u get a war in asia in which USA directly or in directly involves when it has no territorial interest in asia

Where ever USA poke its nose u get war ISIS is creation of jews and USA

USA sent soldiers in ground to catch saddam and ladin in afghan what stoping it to destroy 30000 ISIS terrrorist with soldiers in ground

Droping bombs on asad followers wont do any good

 

[rockstar08]

I was waiting for this revelation
All they need to do is bring in Hussain Haqqani, Ahmed Rashid Hamid Mir and Teletubbies in their interview to substantiate the claim

Should we accept the blame for global warming and extinction of Woolie mammoths in advance too?

ISI Cause the Big bang ..

 

[notorious_eagle]

Twisted headline. Although the ISIS line is indeed present in the article as a speculation and perhaps even as an exaggeration, it is not the main focus of the article. The original headline is quite appropriate.

Okay

Pakistan has always been a proponent of global jihad. It started when "terrorism" was not even a term. Pakistan used non-state actors as proxies as early as 1947, soon after its independence when it sent tribal militias to Kashmir and it has continued since then, non stop, in one form or another.

I think you need to brush up on your history lessons. If you equate using proxies with terrorism, than i guess the Romans were guilty of sending aid and supplies to their neighbouring lands to install their favourite lackeys. This phenomenon has been going on for thousands of years, this is not something Pakistan invented. In the middle of your argument, intentionally or unintentionally you forgot to mention how India is the only country in South Asia that has used proxies or even its own forces to alter the political course of its neighbouring countries. Nepal. Maldives, China, Sri Lanka and Pakistan are good examples of that. But of course, India is allowed to do that as this was for the Good of the World right and India is such a Messiah. Indian Hypocrisy is simply astounding, but than again not surprising.

As the article mentions, Afghan Taliban still receives support from Pakistan.

Anyone with half a brain would know that Pakistan does not benefit one bit by supporting the Afghan Taliban. Pakistan abandoned the Afghan Taliban, arrested many of its top leaders and handed them over to the US. If the Pushtun History is something to go by with, i can assure you they have not forgotten and will want revenge. In fact, they are already delivering revenge in the form of TTP and letting them operate in territory they control.

But than again, i am talking with facts and logic which is largely shunned upon by our Indian friends. Let's talk with jingoism, maybe that will bring the quality of discussion to your liking.

 

[Vapnope]

One wonders why?..There are 200 countries in the world, why would people concentrate on Pakistan when it's about terrorism (maybe Iran as well)? While there is no one else who comes up with a refuting narrative.

Is it possible that all are wrong at the same time spectacularly.

or maybe because out of those 200 countries the only country they chose to counter soviet invasion, was Pakistan. And since Pakistan does not want to be lap dog of uncle sam anymore, that's why.

and no sane pakistani will deny the existence of the jihad factory and of the tail ban and of the numerous terror groups..

Still does not make Pakistan responsible for International jihad or whatever they call it. If Baathists join ISIS and FSA gets help from Al Nusra front, i can bet my life no Pakistani is involved in that.
If Carlotta Gall is so worried about International jihad what stops her to pen down about the role of KSA and Qatar in insurgencies worldwide. What stops her to criticize US and UK for having ties with KSA?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

ISI Cause the Big bang ..

that was a good thing no? it triggered the events that led to life as we know it do day.
the solar flare and demise of Dinosaurs may seem more applicable.

Twisted headline. Although the ISIS line is indeed present in the article as a speculation and perhaps even as an exaggeration, it is not the main focus of the article. The original headline is quite appropriate. Pakistan has always been a proponent of global jihad. It started when "terrorism" was not even a term. Pakistan used non-state actors as proxies as early as 1947, soon after its independence when it sent tribal militias to Kashmir and it has continued since then, non stop, in one form or another. As the article mentions, Afghan Taliban still receives support from Pakistan.

Kashmir is UN recognised disputed issue.

Indian own record is very bad .. Indian innocent cultural society RAW setup shops in Afghanistan right after partition and continues till today.. when ever there was overtly hostile regime in Afghanistan.. the terrorism in Baluchistan and Pakhaton khowa increased. RAW together with Afghan Khad conducted terror operations in Pakistan in the 80s in the form of Hammer group which has a new mutated form of TTP.

the support of terrorism in East Pakistan and Indian soldiers acting as Bangali Makti Bahami is admitted by your Modi.
your support of LTTE which bit you back in the shape of loosing your PM are just the few examples ..
think before you blame others.. list goes on.

or maybe because out of those 200 countries the only country they chose to counter soviet invasion, was Pakistan. And since Pakistan does not want to be lap dog of uncle sam anymore, that's why.

Still does not make Pakistan responsible for International jihad or whatever they call it. If Baathists join ISIS and FSA gets help from Al Nusra front, i can bet my life no Pakistani is involved in that.
If Carlotta Gall is so worried about International jihad what stops her to pen down about the role of KSA and Qatar in insurgencies worldwide. What stops her to criticize US and UK for having ties with KSA?

like paper took time to blame Pakistan .. our Indian friends also took their time to rationalise and justify the article.
is it not innocent and easy?
be selective in memory and choice of events to justify your argument? conveniently omit other major parties that helped fund and arm the Afghan Jihad and then extrapolate your argument to every thing bad in Middle east as a result of Pakistan's policy?

 

[Jungibaaz]

NYT has very little credibility in my book, I do like the depth it gives in some of it's work, the insight is far better for example than the newpapers here in the UK. But still it's long been the it is, an utter disappointment like most seemingly promising media I come across.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This constant new york times blaming Pakistan for all the ills of the world that have ever taken place reminds me of the folk on stormfront.org who blame the Jews for the massive unrelenting increase in the number of white women in European countries having the children of black men. In fact new york times will probably blame Pakistan for it.