Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad-New York Times

[VCheng]

NYT has very little credibility in my book, I do like the depth it gives in some of it's work, the insight is far better for example than the newpapers here in the UK. But still it's long been the it is, an utter disappointment like most seemingly promising media I come across.

The real danger to Pakistan is that lots of people around the world regard NYT as a reliable source.

 

[illusion8]

Wow and here i thought that dudes in India today had over active imagination. So a few hundred Pakistanis out of 200 milion leave for syria and that makes pakistan responsible for ISIS. In that case nearly a few thousand left from EU so does that make it the biggest evil out there.

I think i stopped reading when Author wrote Pakistan at least 10-20 times in first paragrapgh.



Infact every sane pakistani will tell you he cant figure out the crap you are talking about. If a few thousand nut jobs out of a population of 200 million represent an entire Nation then Shiv Sena is trully representative of your mindset. Extremism is unqiue phenomena to Wahabism which is not common to Pakistan. Pakistan has a very small population which actually even cares for this sect of islam crap. I was born in a sunni house hold and never i felt need to ask that which sunni sect i belonged. If saudis were ever your neighbours then you would have trully known the terror of living next to a jihadi factory.

Stop stuffing your head in indian newspaper and you will know what is actually going on around you.

No sane Pakistani will say that because he sees his army and airforce fighting a low intensity war in half his country, he sees hundreds of madrassahs and mosques churning out radicals being closed, because he sees thousands of his people and in his neighborhood killed and getting killed, he sees the systematic brainwashing of kids in his country for jihad.

 

[Pandora]

No sane Pakistani will say that because he sees his army and airforce fighting a low intensity war in half his country, he sees hundreds of madrassahs and mosques churning out radicals being closed, because he sees thousands of his people and in his neighborhood killed and getting killed, he sees the systematic brainwashing of kids in his country for jihad.

Please come up with better Crap next time as this one is getting way too old

 

[illusion8]

Please come up with better Crap next time as this one is getting way too old

Are you actually denying that your army is at war and has claimed to have killed thousands of jihadi?

Haven't thousands of pakistani been killed in the last decade?.

When I meant "sane" pakistani...I didn't exactly have you in mind.

 

[Pandora]

Are you actually denying that your army is at war and has claimed to have killed thousands of jihadi?

Haven't thousands of pakistani been killed in the last decade?.

When I meant "sane" pakistani...I didn't exactly have you in mind.

We live in Nation which shares one of the most difficult borders with a war ridden country so what is your point. I am not going into an entire discussion over why we are fighting this war as it has been explained nearly a thousand times in this forum. If there is anything i have learnt ever since i joined PDF is that once you start debating with Indians they always their coversation with abuse ridicule and useless sarcasim. I am not in goin merry go round with Indians who are so infested with hatred that they cant see past their nose.

 

[illusion8]

We live in Nation which shares one of the most difficult borders with a war ridden country so what is your point. I am not going into an entire discussion over why we are fighting this war as it has been explained nearly a thousand times in this forum. If there is anything i have learnt ever since i joined PDF is that once you start debating with Indians they always their coversation with abuse ridicule and useless sarcasim. I am not in goin merry go round with Indians who are so infested with hatred that they cant see past their nose.

Whatever dude, don't let me stop you from doing whatever you want.

The taliban experiment and the manner in which it successfully over run Afghanistan and is poised to repeat it post NATO withdrawal..

also, the manner in which it propagates its jihad, sharia and strict rules and regulations in taliban controlled territories. .

It's self sustenance in men material and money..how it earns millions of dollars, how it recruits thousands of fighters, how it brainwashes children to become suicide bombers..

How it runs it's bomb making, weapon making, jihadi making factories, how it takes assistance from its supporting countries, and communicates with their armies and intelligence agencies. .

How it crosses borders and wages wars across countries.

How it becomes part of a global jihadi network panning multiple countries.

How it withstands air strikes, drones, fights against conventional troops, wages a low intensity and high intensity insurgency for years and holds on to territories..

The taliban can write multiple manuals.

These were valuable lessons that isis or boko and all other jihadi group learnt from the taliban movement. One can say that the taliban commercialised jihad and has shown how to conquer countries and territories and how to manage them.

Now, one knows who is behind the taliban...The difference of opinion is based on who's on which side of the border.

 

[Hiptullha]

It started when "terrorism" was not even a term. Pakistan used non-state actors as proxies as early as 1947, soon after its independence when it sent tribal militias to Kashmir and it has continued since then, non stop, in one form or another.

Now that's some real blatant twisting. What really happened was that after a massive influx of Kashmiri Muslims fleeing Kashmir due to the Maharaja's attempts to shift the demographics of the region and crush the indigenous Poonch uprising, Pakistan got involved. I don't see how Indians can even refer to this as "global Jihad" or "terrorism" with a straight face when they did the same thing during the events prior to the 1971 war and use exactly the same justification. Go a little farther back and they invade Hyderabad under nearly the same excuse. However, since they used their army to carry out the inevitable massacres on the Muslim populace that time, it's not terrorism at all.

 

[Apprentice]

Now that's some real blatant twisting. What really happened was that after a massive influx of Kashmiri Muslims fleeing Kashmir due to the Maharaja's attempts to shift the demographics of the region and crush the indigenous Poonch uprising, Pakistan got involved. I don't see how Indians can even refer to this as "global Jihad" or "terrorism" with a straight face when they did the same thing during the events prior to the 1971 war and use exactly the same justification. Go a little farther back and they invade Hyderabad under nearly the same excuse. However, since they used their army to carry out the inevitable massacres on the Muslim populace that time, it's not terrorism at all.

In 1948 in Hyderabad India's noble army, after succeeding in Operation Polo, was involved in the massacre and rape of thousands of Hyderabadi Muslims. Nehru covered up the report but parts of it were smuggled into Pakistan and read over Radio Pakistan, causing embarrassment to India.

And in Jammu and Kashmir the maharajah attempted a genocide of Muslims in Jammu.

Pakistan was already being crushed due to the pressure of millions of Muslim refugees from India (their number exceeded the Hindus who left Pakistan) and the last thing it needed was more refugees from Jammu,hence it got involved in Kashmir.

 

[jaunty]

I think you need to brush up on your history lessons. If you equate using proxies with terrorism, than i guess the Romans were guilty of sending aid and supplies to their neighbouring lands to install their favourite lackeys.

I was obviously talking about modern nation states, not Roman empire, one needs common sense not history lessons to know it.

Kashmir is UN recognised disputed issue.

It wasn't when Pakistan sent its militias in 1947. It was a princely state which hadn't decided its fate till then.

Anyone with half a brain would know that Pakistan does not benefit one bit by supporting the Afghan Taliban. Pakistan abandoned the Afghan Taliban

You would have a hard time convincing anyone.

 

[Passionaire]

Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad


By CARLOTTA GALLFEB. 6, 2016

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The funeral of Saeed Jawad Hossini, 29, who was killed in a Taliban suicide attack in Kabul in January.CreditShah Marai/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

• TUNIS — PRESIDENT ASHRAF GHANI of Afghanistan has warned in several recent interviews that unless peace talks with Pakistan and theTaliban produce results in the next few months, his country may not survive 2016. Afghanistan is barely standing, he says, after the Taliban onslaught last year, which led to the highest casualties among civilians and security forces since 2001.
  
  “How much worse will it get?” Mr. Ghani asked in a recent television interview. “It depends on how much regional cooperation we can secure, and how much international mediation and pressure can be exerted to create rules of the game between states.”
  
  What he means is it depends on how much international pressure can be brought to bear on Pakistan to cease its aggression.
  
  Critics of the Afghan leadership say it’s not Pakistan’s fault that its neighbor is falling apart. They point to the many internal failings of the Afghan government: political divisions, weak institutions, warlords and corruption.
  
  But experts have found a lot of evidence that Pakistan facilitated the Taliban offensive. The United States and China have been asking Pakistan to persuade the Taliban to make peace, but Afghanistan argues that Islamabad has done nothing to rein in the Taliban, and if anything has encouraged it to raise the stakes in hopes of gaining influence in any power-sharing agreement.
  
  This behavior is not just an issue for Afghanistan. Pakistan is intervening in a number of foreign conflicts. Its intelligence service has long acted as the manager of international mujahedeen forces, many of them Sunni extremists, and there is even speculation that it may have been involved in the rise of the Islamic State.
  
  The latest Taliban offensive began in 2014. United States and NATO forces were winding down their operations in Afghanistan and preparing to withdraw when Pakistan decided, after years of prevarication, to clear Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters from their sanctuary in Pakistan’s tribal area of North Waziristan.
  
  The operation was certainly a serious endeavor — Taliban bases, torture chambers and ammunition dumps were busted, town bazaars were razed and over one million civilians were displaced.
  
  But the militants were tipped off early, and hundreds escaped, tribesmen and Taliban fighters said. Many fled over the border to Afghanistan, just at the vulnerable moment when Afghanistan was assuming responsibility for its own security. Ninety foreign fighters with their families arrived in Paktika Province that summer, to the alarm of Afghan officials.
  
  Further along the border in Paktika Province, Taliban fighters occupied abandoned C.I.A. bases and outposts. A legislator from the region warned me that they would use the positions to project attacks deeper into Afghanistan and even up to Kabul. Some of the most devastating suicide bomb attacks occurred in that province in the months that followed.
  
  Meanwhile, in Pakistan, the Haqqani network, the most potent branch of the Taliban, moved from North Waziristan into the adjacent district of Kurram. From there it continues to enjoy safe haven and conduct its insurgency against American, international and Afghan targets.
  
  Pakistan regards Afghanistan as its backyard. Determined not to let its archrival, India, gain influence there, and to ensure that Afghanistan remains in the Sunni Islamist camp, Pakistan has used the Taliban selectively, promoting those who further its agenda and cracking down on those who don’t. The same goes for Al Qaeda and other foreign fighters.
  
  Even knowing this, it might come as a surprise that the region’s triumvirate of violent jihad is living openly in Pakistan.
  
  First, there’s Sirajuddin Haqqani, the leader of the Haqqani network, and second in command of the Taliban. He moves freely around Pakistan, and has even visited the Pakistani intelligence headquarters of the Afghan campaign in Rawalpindi.
  
  Then there is the new leader of the Taliban, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who has openly assembled meetings of his military and leadership council near the Pakistani town of Quetta. Since he came to power last year, the Taliban has mounted some of its most ambitious offensives into Afghanistan, overrunning the northern town of Kunduz, and pushing to seize control of the opium-rich province of Helmand.
  
  Finally, Al Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, enjoys sanctuary in Pakistan — one recent report placed him in the southwestern corner of Baluchistan. He has been working to establish training camps in southern Afghanistan. In October, it took United States Special Operations forces several days of fighting and airstrikes to clear those camps. American commanders say the group they were fighting was Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, a new franchise announced by Mr. Zawahri that has claimed responsibility for the killings of bloggers and activists in Karachi and Bangladesh, among other attacks.
  
  Pakistan denies harboring the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and points out that it, too, is a victim of terrorism. But many analysts have detailed how the military has nurtured Islamist militant groups as an instrument to suppress nationalist movements, in particular among the Pashtun minority, at home and abroad.
  
  Perhaps most troubling, there are reports that Pakistan had a role in the rise of the Islamic State.
  
  Ahead of Pakistan’s 2014 operation in North Waziristan, scores, even hundreds, of foreign fighters left the tribal areas to fight against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Tribesmen and Taliban members from the area say fighters traveled to Quetta, and then flew to Qatar. There they received new passports and passage to Turkey, from where they could cross into Syria. Others traveled overland along well-worn smuggling routes from Pakistan through Iran and Iraq.
  
  The fighters arrived just in time to boost the sweeping offensive by ISIS into Iraq and the creation of the Islamic State in the summer of 2014.
  
  If these accounts are correct, Pakistan was cooperating with Qatar, and perhaps others, to move international Sunni jihadists (including 300 Pakistanis) from Pakistan’s tribal areas, where they were no longer needed, to new battlefields in Syria. It is just another reminder of Pakistan’s central involvement in creating and managing violent jihadist groups, one Pakistani politician, who spoke on the condition of anonymity when talking about intelligence affairs, told me.
  
  This has been going on for more than 30 years. In 1990, I shared a bus ride with young Chinese Uighurs, Muslims from China’s restive northwest, who had spent months training in Pakistani madrasas, including a brief foray into Afghanistan to get a taste of battle. They were returning home, furnished with brand-new Pakistani passports, a gift of citizenship often offered to those who join the jihad.
  
  Years later, just after Osama bin Laden was found and killed in Pakistan, I interviewed a guerrilla commander from the disputed region of Kashmir who had spent 15 years on the Pakistani military payroll, traveling to train and assist insurgents in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir and Afghanistan.
  
  In 2012 I came across several cases where young clerics, fresh graduates from the Haqqania madrasa in Pakistan, returned to their home villages in Afghanistan, flush with cash, and set about running mosques and recruiting and organizing a band of Taliban followers.
  
  I visited that madrasa in 2013. It is the alma mater of the Afghan Taliban, where many of the leaders of the movement were trained. The clerics there remained adamant in their support for the Taliban. “It is a political fact that one day the Taliban will take power,” Syed Yousuf Shah, the madrasa spokesman, told me. “We are experts on the Taliban,” he said, and a majority of the Afghan people “still support them.”
  
  The madrasa, a longtime instrument of Pakistani intelligence, has been training people from the ethnic minorities of northern Afghanistan alongside its standard clientele of Pashtuns. The aim is still to win control of northern Afghanistan through these young graduates. From there they have their eyes on Central Asia and western China. Pakistani clerics are educating and radicalizing Chinese Uighurs as well, along with Central Asians from the former Soviet republics.
  
  No one has held Pakistan to account for this behavior. Why would Pakistan give it up now?
  
  Carlotta Gall is the author of “The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-2014” and currently the North Africa correspondent for The New York Times
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/o...-in-the-rise-of-international-jihad.html?_r=0

 

[Anees]

Is Newyork time giving credit or abusing Pakistan by this article ???

 

[Paksanity]

Well, we are about to be blamed for extinction of dinosaurs. Makes me proud of ISI who won the battle against evil dinosaurs. Yayyy.....!

 

[Tshering22]

Is Newyork time giving credit or abusing Pakistan by this article ???

Till you serve their interests, you were praised. Once they saw your use finish, you are hated by them.

That's USA for you.

 

[barbarosa]

George Washington had side in his first policy speech that USA will be have not friends and enemy permanently. The friends of today may be the enemy of tomorrow and the enemy of today may be the friend of tomorrow.
It is their ancient habit to convert friend in enemy and enemy in friend.

 

[Passionaire]

Till you serve their interests, you were praised. Once they saw your use finish, you are hated by them.

That's USA for you.

Don't worry USA will do same to you. Right now USA is using India to counter China. The day USA will realize; efforts are futile, USA will abandon India. No matter what, USA wouldn't like to loose influence on Muslim World; particularly Pakistan.