Pakistan’s Establishment Wants Us To Remain The Way We Are

[truthseeker2010]

The reason why every institution in Pakistan -- i.e., military, judiciary, parliament, executive/gov't -- maintains the 'status-quo' is because that was their mandate given to them by the British. When the British left, they didn't just pack up all their bags and withdraw categorically. They left well-calibrated institutions that were designed to extract from this country, and loyalists who were to rubber-stamp the theft.

E.g., the British made sure to leave their generals in charge of our armed forces in 1947 and, surprise-surprise, the move led to a passable outcome in Kashmir (as far as British interests are concerned). Likewise, those same pro-British agents stopped the PAF's efforts in the late 1940s and early 1950s to buy US jets and, as a compromise, got us to buy unwanted Supermarine Attackers. We've always had dodgy leaders who clearly didn't organically rise from the bottom, but were given privileges and opportunity because, ultimately, they served a purpose for another power.

However, to Britain's (and later America's) credit, they had used Pakistan to achieve specific geo-political gains, so our elites had KPIs (so to speak). If they achieve those KPIs, they get to stay and carry on with their corruption; if they fail, they get removed.

Now, as America loses interest in using Pakistan, our elites are basically just sitting there doing their corruption, but without any real vision or ambition beyond the basics (real estate, laundering money, etc). However, even though they don't have a big job right now, they know that their role in this world is to 'keep the status-quo,' because that's what suits them and, eventually, their foreign benefactors.

So the khaki creatures actually swear to the anglos and sell bodies to the commoners of pak.

 

[Sayfullah]

Not allahs plan just human freedom and strategic mistakes. You are unnecessarily bringing religion to support a progressive movement thereby putting a weight around it.

Stfu dirty pajeet. Focus on building toilets in your country

The reason why every institution in Pakistan -- i.e., military, judiciary, parliament, executive/gov't -- maintains the 'status-quo' is because that was their mandate given to them by the British. When the British left, they didn't just pack up all their bags and withdraw categorically. They left well-calibrated institutions that were designed to extract from this country, and loyalists who were to rubber-stamp the theft.

E.g., the British made sure to leave their generals in charge of our armed forces in 1947 and, surprise-surprise, the move led to a passable outcome in Kashmir (as far as British interests are concerned). Likewise, those same pro-British agents stopped the PAF's efforts in the late 1940s and early 1950s to buy US jets and, as a compromise, got us to buy unwanted Supermarine Attackers. We've always had dodgy leaders who clearly didn't organically rise from the bottom, but were given privileges and opportunity because, ultimately, they served a purpose for another power.

However, to Britain's (and later America's) credit, they had used Pakistan to achieve specific geo-political gains, so our elites had KPIs (so to speak). If they achieve those KPIs, they get to stay and carry on with their corruption; if they fail, they get removed.

Now, as America loses interest in using Pakistan, our elites are basically just sitting there doing their corruption, but without any real vision or ambition beyond the basics (real estate, laundering money, etc). However, even though they don't have a big job right now, they know that their role in this world is to 'keep the status-quo,' because that's what suits them and, eventually, their foreign benefactors.

The issue with Pakistan isn't just corruption or entitlement. It's incompetence and lack of ambition. In Turkiye, the generals sat back and let the experts do their work, and then collect cheques (via equity investments, shareholding, pensions, etc). The business elite in India don't care about their fellow Indians, but they make sure to build and expand huge corporations, invest in different sectors, acquire technological acumen, etc.

In Pakistan, our elite (generals included) are content with doing a mediocre job in the country, and, when they leave, get cussed out by a random Afghan refugee in God knows what back alley while smiling. It's not even corruption and greed at that point, but beghairiti and soost. It's as if our leaders haven't grown out of their 'yes-sir' employee mindset.

Pakistan didn’t get independence from British. It’s still a hybrid colony.

 

[wildlens]

Stfu dirty pajeet. Focus on building toilets in your country


Pakistan didn’t get independence from British. It’s still a hybrid colony.

what is pajeet

 

[PradoTLC]

Pathetic propaganda.

The reason why the armed forces are being targeted is simply because they are the only functional arm of the state exercising faith, unity and discipline for Pakistan.

you are like a toliet seat... some times occupied some times full of shit...

what is pajeet

look in the mirror.

 

[Neelo]

Khan Abdul Wali Khan was quoted as saying, ' Pakistan will change and rise when Punjab will rise', seems as though that saying is fast becoming a reality.

It's true. If Punjab is thinking like this, then the military establishment is in big trouble.

Some of the comments are really over the top.

Pakistan, at this point in time, is very much united, in the combined hatred of the establishment.

This is a long struggle. The reputation of the establishment is down to the dogs which is a good start. There will be some battles that will be lost, some will be won. Keep patience and keep fighting.

Do you think the PDM and establishment crooks have the intention or capability to pull Pakistan out of the social and economic quagmire? Nothing good can come out of this.

I agree…the first domino has fallen…lets see where this goes.

 

[Sayfullah]

The ideal citizen for them is a jahil uneducated extremist mullah type,like diesel's henchmen. These types are putty in their hands. Looks like still following CIA rulebook of the 80s.

Cuz you guys happily labelled all the free minded and actually educated Mullahs as terrorists and watched them get slaughtered. Now you stuck with diesel types who exploit the majority conservative Muslim country. And secularists made it worse because Pakistan will always remain majority conservative Muslim. Secularists cheering on the hunting down of free minded educated Mullahs will come around to hunt them the most. Now you’ll get lynched over personal disputes and it get labelled as blasphemy. The society will become more extremist and be used by establishment Mullahs. Establishment will use you liberal and secularists to get support to kill anyone religious figure who doesn’t bow down to them and then use the establishment Mullahs to kill off all the liberals and secularists who don’t bow down to them.

 

[epebble]

This is the bitter truth I have now realized...I was always under the assumption Pakistan couldn’t move ahead socially or economically because of (insert enemy countries here), but that was all a ploy.

The fact is the GHQ doesn’t want Pakistan progressing beyond what it is right now.…the powers that rule this country need an obedient dumbed down hyper-religious society so they can easily control and manipulate and divide them.

They are not interested in educating the masses, providing us with adequate healthcare and even giving us a basic 21st century lifestyle. What they want to the majority to live on the cusp of poverty, constantly in a state of anxiety.

A politically aware, vibrant middle class is something the GHQ doesn’t want. Why? Because it leads to precisely what is happening now. Grant it, the entire middle class of Pakistan isn’t behind PTI, and yet they’ve created such a headache for the GHQ and its minions to the point where they’re trying to instil fear into the people using the very tactics they claimed they never did to the Baloch. Funny eh?

This is a sad bitter pill to swallow.

With or without Imran Khan in politics, he has exposed the real enemy and I don’t see people ever viewing the military the same again…especially not in Punjab.

These views were already widely held in Balochistan, the Pashtun tribal regions, Swat, GB and interior Sindh. But now you’re hearing urban Lahoris and rural Punjabis on Tik Tok eviscerating the military on social media.

Now THAT”s unprecedented…

This Tik Tok video apparently has been deleted, but the audio has been spreading across Punjab on WhatsApp and now made it onto Twitter and back onto Tik Tok.

This is some real anger.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665713494451159041

This is a lazy analysis. 'Establishment' didn't fall from sky or come from mars. They are very much a product of Pakistani society and people. It is good to remember the universal truism: Every nation gets the government it deserves.

 

[Neelo]

The reason why every institution in Pakistan -- i.e., military, judiciary, parliament, executive/gov't -- maintains the 'status-quo' is because that was their mandate given to them by the British. When the British left, they didn't just pack up all their bags and withdraw categorically. They left well-calibrated institutions that were designed to extract from this country, and loyalists who were to rubber-stamp the theft.

E.g., the British made sure to leave their generals in charge of our armed forces in 1947 and, surprise-surprise, the move led to a passable outcome in Kashmir (as far as British interests are concerned). Likewise, those same pro-British agents stopped the PAF's efforts in the late 1940s and early 1950s to buy US jets and, as a compromise, got us to buy unwanted Supermarine Attackers. We've always had dodgy leaders who clearly didn't organically rise from the bottom, but were given privileges and opportunity because, ultimately, they served a purpose for another power.

I completely agree…it’s basically a transfer of power that occurred in 1947. Power was shifted from the British to the bootlickers who supported British occupation back then.

This is why Pakistan’s “liberal” elite have a hard on against Imran Khan and PTI. They all gained privileges in this society Pakistan is today…why would they support its destruction?

They hate the middle class…and put on a fake ”liberal” persona to hide that.

However, to Britain's (and later America's) credit, they had used Pakistan to achieve specific geo-political gains, so our elites had KPIs (so to speak). If they achieve those KPIs, they get to stay and carry on with their corruption; if they fail, they get removed.

Now, as America loses interest in using Pakistan, our elites are basically just sitting there doing their corruption, but without any real vision or ambition beyond the basics (real estate, laundering money, etc). However, even though they don't have a big job right now, they know that their role in this world is to 'keep the status-quo,' because that's what suits them and, eventually, their foreign benefactors.

The issue with Pakistan isn't just corruption or entitlement. It's incompetence and lack of ambition. In Turkiye, the generals sat back and let the experts do their work, and then collect cheques (via equity investments, shareholding, pensions, etc). The business elite in India don't care about their fellow Indians, but they make sure to build and expand huge corporations, invest in different sectors, acquire technological acumen, etc.

In Pakistan, our elite (generals included) are content with doing a mediocre job in the country, and, when they leave, get cussed out by a random Afghan refugee in God knows what back alley while smiling. It's not even corruption and greed at that point, but beghairiti and soost. It's as if our leaders haven't grown out of their 'yes-sir' employee mindset.

I agree with this….

This is a lazy analysis. 'Establishment' didn't fall from sky or come from mars. They are very much a product of Pakistani society and people. It is good to remember the universal truism: Every nation gets the government it deserves.

An “establishment” exists in every country. The difference is, it works for the people in other countries while in countries like Pakistan it works for a select few.

 

[El Sidd]

But, in this case, once you remove the last pillar of stability in Pakistan, which is the Establishment, you'd see a chaos never seen before. As much I'd like the Civilian Supremacy, I don't think the politicians are up to it--and I include PTI in that class of politicians. Perhaps PTI has THE worst of all 'politicians' in Pakistan for a major political party. It is essentially a cult built around Imran Khan. Days before 9/5, there was a discussion here where even PTI fanbois agreed there is no future for PTI after Imran Khan. And 9/5 has totally changed the dynamics in Pakistani politics.

Don't really need to go into politics or dynamics or lack thereof.

The points raised in the OP with respect to education, health and wellbeing of minor provinces directed towards the armed forces. For example all development work in FATA happened via support the army through federal government. There are colleges, medical facilities and efforts to bring modern human standards to a highly remote area.

Pakistan is a capitalist country not a socialist country.

 

[Neelo]

For example all development work in FATA happened via support the army through federal government. There are colleges, medical facilities and efforts to bring modern human standards to a highly remote area.

After the military allowed American drones to completely destroy the entire tribal areas, especially Waziristan? That’s real cute.

Here’s an idea. How about you shoot down American drones that murder your own citizens, instead of destroying your own house and then acting like you’re some big shot by “rebuilding” it.

Pakistan is a capitalist country not a socialist country.

Capitalism means taking dollars and killing your own citizens?


You really do suffer from mental problems don’t you.

 

[El Sidd]

I don't even bother replying.

Here’s an idea. How about you shoot down American drones that murder your own citizens, instead of destroying your own house and then acting like you’re some big shot by “rebuilding” it.

Here's an idea Canadian, why don't you refine your own oil?

Shoot down with what? Either you insist this is 3rd world country with 3rd world antics or this is some David against American Goliath.

Capitalism means taking dollars and killing your own citizens?

Nobody is giving any dollars. Those who have taken arms against the state made a knowing decision that they will always be outgunned.

 

[uhuru]

first to kill should be bajwa hes alone in some country dubai or france.

All these elites have destroyed Pak. All of them - all are corrupt and fithy rich.

 

[Azadkashmir]

All these elites have destroyed Pak. All of them - all are corrupt and fithy rich.

the days they could loot and no one would know any better is over. plus they cant apply simple slogan propaganda any more like saying this civilian is anti army . everybody knows the're crooks and incompetent ppl in high position.

 

[uhuru]

The reason why every institution in Pakistan -- i.e., military, judiciary, parliament, executive/gov't -- maintains the 'status-quo' is because that was their mandate given to them by the British. When the British left, they didn't just pack up all their bags and withdraw categorically. They left well-calibrated institutions that were designed to extract from this country, and loyalists who were to rubber-stamp the theft.

E.g., the British made sure to leave their generals in charge of our armed forces in 1947 and, surprise-surprise, the move led to a passable outcome in Kashmir (as far as British interests are concerned). Likewise, those same pro-British agents stopped the PAF's efforts in the late 1940s and early 1950s to buy US jets and, as a compromise, got us to buy unwanted Supermarine Attackers. We've always had dodgy leaders who clearly didn't organically rise from the bottom, but were given privileges and opportunity because, ultimately, they served a purpose for another power.

However, to Britain's (and later America's) credit, they had used Pakistan to achieve specific geo-political gains, so our elites had KPIs (so to speak). If they achieve those KPIs, they get to stay and carry on with their corruption; if they fail, they get removed.

Now, as America loses interest in using Pakistan, our elites are basically just sitting there doing their corruption, but without any real vision or ambition beyond the basics (real estate, laundering money, etc). However, even though they don't have a big job right now, they know that their role in this world is to 'keep the status-quo,' because that's what suits them and, eventually, their foreign benefactors.

The issue with Pakistan isn't just corruption or entitlement. It's incompetence and lack of ambition. In Turkiye, the generals sat back and let the experts do their work, and then collect cheques (via equity investments, shareholding, pensions, etc). The business elite in India don't care about their fellow Indians, but they make sure to build and expand huge corporations, invest in different sectors, acquire technological acumen, etc.

In Pakistan, our elite (generals included) are content with doing a mediocre job in the country, and, when they leave, get cussed out by a random Afghan refugee in God knows what back alley while smiling. It's not even corruption and greed at that point, but beghairiti and soost. It's as if our leaders haven't grown out of their 'yes-sir' employee mindset.

rafiki bilal. good analysis.

but i would disagree with you on many points. You cannot blame the british.

Why is it that in many british colonies which inherited similar systems did better. Let us take Tanzania - we inherited the same but there was a major difference. I remember when we got our independence - there was a small university; best university around was Makrere - my father went there and so did I. But mwalimu Nyerere had very long visionary goals. First, he was a teacher. As a teacher, he knew the importance of education and educational institutions. Secondly, if we were to be subservient to the colonial masters, we needed to remove the elitism associated with language which is a curse in its own right. No English and there would be no english taught until secondary school. It achieved many things - gave people a self respect and an identity. Why is that not the case in pakistan. When any of your idiots PM, or anyone - they speak Urdu chafu (shit urdu) - pardon my swahili - now look any one of our leaders in any forum, you will hear them speak only our language including when we get Omani delegations - they speak here in swahili because it is a cultural bond with Zanzibar. Do you get any foreign dignitary coming and speaking in Urdu? Every flipping Pak national nowadays I meet here when they are speaking to each other are speaking like indians - 70% english words and these urdu. Third - no prominence for the army; they have a role and that is all. Because we were poor, to ensure noone was above - no television. If an ordinary person could not afford a TV, neither must a richer person. 4- land reforms, all land belongs only to to goverment period. A house you build here is on a 99 year lease; no ifs or buts. You pay for the land to the govt annually. You cannot own more than 1 home. 5. No dual nationality allowed. If you have you automatically forfiet Tanzanian nationality and will never be allowed to stand for public office.

Back then we used to look up at Pakistan as a more enlightened and progressive. Many friends went there to get high education. Now, the tide has reversed. We are seeing so many good skilled people migrating here as there are older family ties and you have freedom to do anything.

To prevent strife, Nyerere did something I always liked - one party state. He said until everyone is ready to admit that we can have healthy multi-party democracy; it is best to live without; noone person is too powerful - the president can easily be removed by the parliament if he gets out of hand.

If you get a chance, visit us here. You will be very surprised.

the days they could loot and no one would know any better is over. plus they cant apply simple slogan propaganda any more like saying this civilian is anti army . everybody knows the're crooks and incompetent ppl in high position.

what these elites and army crooks need to fear is what happened in Uganda.

Same takataka. Museveni was leading a revolute; people just had enough and threw their support behind him. I see same narrative, if BLA amplifies its call to all the people of Pakistan to rise up and join them, we will see a total onslaught similar to north west of here.

 

[Azadkashmir]

rafiki bilal. good analysis.

but i would disagree with you on many points. You cannot blame the british.

Why is it that in many british colonies which inherited similar systems did better. Let us take Tanzania - we inherited the same but there was a major difference. I remember when we got our independence - there was a small university; best university around was Makrere - my father went there and so did I. But mwalimu Nyerere had very long visionary goals. First, he was a teacher. As a teacher, he knew the importance of education and educational institutions. Secondly, if we were to be subservient to the colonial masters, we needed to remove the elitism associated with language which is a curse in its own right. No English and there would be no english taught until secondary school. It achieved many things - gave people a self respect and an identity. Why is that not the case in pakistan. When any of your idiots PM, or anyone - they speak Urdu chafu (shit urdu) - pardon my swahili - now look any one of our leaders in any forum, you will hear them speak only our language including when we get Omani delegations - they speak here in swahili because it is a cultural bond with Zanzibar. Do you get any foreign dignitary coming and speaking in Urdu? Every flipping Pak national nowadays I meet here when they are speaking to each other are speaking like indians - 70% english words and these urdu. Third - no prominence for the army; they have a role and that is all. Because we were poor, to ensure noone was above - no television. If an ordinary person could not afford a TV, neither must a richer person. 4- land reforms, all land belongs only to to goverment period. A house you build here is on a 99 year lease; no ifs or buts. You pay for the land to the govt annually. You cannot own more than 1 home. 5. No dual nationality allowed. If you have you automatically forfiet Tanzanian nationality and will never be allowed to stand for public office.

Back then we used to look up at Pakistan as a more enlightened and progressive. Many friends went there to get high education. Now, the tide has reversed. We are seeing so many good skilled people migrating here as there are older family ties and you have freedom to do anything.

To prevent strife, Nyerere did something I always liked - one party state. He said until everyone is ready to admit that we can have healthy multi-party democracy; it is best to live without; noone person is too powerful - the president can easily be removed by the parliament if he gets out of hand.

If you get a chance, visit us here. You will be very surprised.


what these elites and army crooks need to fear is what happened in Uganda.

Same takataka. Museveni was leading a revolute; people just had enough and threw their support behind him. I see same narrative, if BLA amplifies its call to all the people of Pakistan to rise up and join them, we will see a total onslaught similar to north west of here.

this inferiority complex seems to affect ppl back home not the ones who moved out to the west. ppl are requesting for education to be taught in urdu but elite anglo brown sahabs wont change it, this way they can keep ppl in the dark as the rest dont understand english its easier to rule those who do not understand.