Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Rocky rock]

Reportedly, Pakistan Army has acquired a 155 mm KH-179 howitzer from South Korea.

Source please? And is this the lighter version?

 

[Gryphon]

Source please.

Source please? And is this the lighter version?

http://pak.eximtradeinfo.com/items/kh179

 

[Rocky rock]

http://pak.eximtradeinfo.com/items/kh179

Source doesn't seems to be credible enough.
But it mentioned only 2 pieces? Are they coming for trials yet?

 

[Arsalan]

Reportedly, Pakistan Army has acquired a 155 mm KH-179 howitzer from South Korea.

What are they doing!!

There were reports of interest in towed artillery (following the SPH wheeled guns that were trialed earlier) but they idea was to look for a light weight gun that can be transported by our helicopters. At around 6.5 ton this is NOT feasible for that role. However over all it will be a satisfactory gun. One advantage it might offer is that it is based on the American M114s that we already operate.


I would have loved PA continuing the SPH procurement plan with Nora B-52 or T5-52 or some other suitable gun and wait on the towed one. Chinese may soon be able to offer there AH-4. Better yet, compromise on that standardization plan to 155mm and a keep a few ultra light weight PA's helicopter transportable smaller guns like the much discussed excellent G7 which is 105 mm but performance is comparable to 155mm and it weights only 3800 Kg so can be transported by our Mi17 when required.

Source doesn't seems to be credible enough.
But it mentioned only 2 pieces? Are they coming for trials yet?

It seems to be true. There were some reports of interest in towed artiller and this might well be a result of that.


Anyway, these are just trials and i hope that they do consider the weight issue and since no other option is present (that can be carried by our helicopter) opt for G7 with compromise on that standardization. However, first get done with those wheeled SPH PLEASE!

 

[Zarvan]

Reportedly, Pakistan Army has acquired a 155 mm KH-179 howitzer from South Korea.

Finally some good news if true. We have quite good SP Artillery Systems but our Towed Artillery Guns are way old we needed new beasts and South Korea has been offering us weapons and also interested in building shipyard in Gawader. Media a year back also reported that Pakistan showed interest in PAK-50 Fighter Trainer but no news of that. But if this is true than it's good start @Horus

 

[Arsalan]

Finally some good news if true. We have quite good SP Artillery Systems but our Towed Artillery Guns are way old we needed new beasts and South Korea has been offering us weapons and also interested in building shipyard in Gawader. Media a year back also reported that Pakistan showed interest in PAK-50 Fighter Trainer but no news of that. But if this is true than it's good start @Horus

Lolz!!
So here comes the list! GREAT!!


BTW, there is no such thing as a PAK-50 Fighter Trainer. Perhaps you wanted to say KAI T-50 Golden Eagle

JF17B is the answer. T-50 interest is sort of over now though it was reported to have been THOUGHT about (not saying looked into).

 

[Zarvan]

Lolz!!
So here comes the list! GREAT!!


BTW, there is no such thing as a PAK-50 Fighter Trainer. Perhaps you wanted to say KAI T-50 Golden Eagle

JF17B is the answer. T-50 interest is sort of over now though it was reported to have been THOUGHT about (not saying looked into).

Yes a year two ago media reported that Pakistan may buy these and also interested in Tank engine from South Korea

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Lolz!!
So here comes the list! GREAT!!


BTW, there is no such thing as a PAK-50 Fighter Trainer. Perhaps you wanted to say KAI T-50 Golden Eagle

JF17B is the answer. T-50 interest is sort of over now though it was reported to have been THOUGHT about (not saying looked into).

If they want hundreds of guns, they should have looked for a local solution or atleast get complete transfer of technology for the guns.

 

[Arsalan]

If they want hundreds of guns, they should have looked for a local solution or atleast get complete transfer of technology for the guns.

And where have ANYONE said that we are not going to do that?

Please understand this my dear:

1. The is a supposed news (though likely)
2. It is just ONE gun that we have accquired (most definitely confirming trials)
3. It is most likely that other options will be looked at as well

In other words, the decision of importing or making them at home is far from being finalized.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes a year two ago media reported that Pakistan may buy these and also interested in Tank engine from South Korea

KH-179 is an upgrade of old M114,39 howitzer... not really a new gun.

And where have ANYONE said that we are not going to do that?

Please understand this my dear:

1. The is a supposed news (though likely)
2. It is just ONE gun that we have accquired (most definitely confirming trials)
3. It is most likely that other options will be looked at as well

In other words, the decision of importing or making them at home is far from being finalized.

You can ask the Koreans to upgrade our older M-114 ... instead of buying these.

 

[Arsalan]

Yes a year two ago media reported that Pakistan may buy these and also interested in Tank engine from South Korea

Media also shows picture of Babur missile when reporting the test firing of Shaheed three so there is that!!

Yes we were looking for a LIFT but JF17B is most likely an response to that (along with export requirement).
For tank engine, Ukraine is what we would be relying upon for some years to come. Best to get both 1200 hp and 1500 hp with ToT and look for some 800-1000 hp as well if possible.
Yes there were some talks about these things but that was not an official interest and it is long dead story now.

KH-179 is an upgrade of old M114,39 howitzer... not really a new gun.


You can ask the Koreans to upgrade our older M-114 ... instead of buying these.

And dont you think we need to first see for our self how good those M-114 can be after upgrade? Ergo the procurement of one Kh179 for trials?

 

[Path-Finder]

This gun is used on board the K9 SPH. K9 is made by Turkey as well and its procured by India!

DesertFighter is right we should get the M114 upgraded to this standard at least.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

How many panters were actually inducted?
Wikipedia shows 200 plus A-100E MBRL systems for PA.Is this true?If true it seems an enormous amount.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Media also shows picture of Babur missile when reporting the test firing of Shaheed three so there is that!!

Yes we were looking for a LIFT but JF17B is most likely an response to that (along with export requirement).
For tank engine, Ukraine is what we would be relying upon for some years to come. Best to get both 1200 hp and 1500 hp with ToT and look for some 800-1000 hp as well if possible.
Yes there were some talks about these things but that was not an official interest and it is long dead story now.


And dont you think we need to first see for our self how good those M-114 can be after upgrade? Ergo the procurement of one Kh179 for trials?

We have over 150 of those guns, and we can either replace them or give them a cheap upgrade.

And not alot of upgrades are available on the market...

Now, dont get riled up over nothing im not zarvan with wish lists.

And i merely talk about giving preferance to R&D (local/indigenous solutions).

Buying hundreds of arty guns for billions of dollars is foolish, if u have the capabilty to develop and produce them at home.... billions of dollars could help develop jobs,experience and expertise for future projects.

This gun is used on board the K9 SPH. K9 is made by Turkey as well and its procured by India!

DesertFighter is right we should get the M114 upgraded to this standard at least.

PA's M114:

KH 179 upgrade:

 

[Gryphon]

Source doesn't seems to be credible enough.

The source is reliable. Doesn't need authentication.










INDODEFENCE 2014
Upgraded KH178 artillery system offers more range - Indo14-Day3

Christopher F Foss
07 November 2014

South Korea’s WIA, part of the Hyundai Group, is pushing for further export sales of its 105mm/ 38 calibre KH178 towed artillery system. This was developed some years ago to meet the operational requirements of the Republic of Korea Army, but has now been exported to a number of countries.

Indonesia is understood to deploy three artillery battalions equipped with the KH178, with each of these having three batteries each with six weapons.

The 105mm KH178 is essentially the US M101 105mm howitzer, which was originally developed shortly before the Second World War and built in large numbers for the US Army and Marine Corps.

Although an old design, the M101 105mm howitzer is still used by many other countries all over the world, although by today’s standards it has a very short firing range of only 11.72km.

On the upgraded KH178, the original 105mm barrel has been replaced by a new longer 105mm/ 38 calibre barrel fitted with a double-baffle muzzle brake. Firing the old M1 105mm high explosive (HE) projectile, a maximum range of 14.7km can be achieved, which can be increased to 18km with a rocket assisted projectile (RAP) or a base-bleed (BB) projectile. The upgraded KH178 also has a useful direct-fire capability of 1.5km, but this would only be used in an emergency.

As well as marketing the upgraded 105mm KH178, the company is offering an upgrade kit for the 155mm M114 towed howitzer, which has been supplied in large numbers to the ROK Army.

The original M114 has a maximum range of 14.6km firing a standard M107 HE projectile with Charge 7.

The upgraded M114 is called the KH179 and includes replacing the original barrel with a new 155mm/39 calibre barrel. Firing the 155mm M107 projectile, a maximum range of 22km can be achieved, which increases to 30km with a rocket-assisted projectile.

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Upgraded KH178 artillery system offers more range - Indo14-Day3