Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Arsalan]

A lightweight gun is a lightweight gun, which isn't common in today's marketplace. So, if the rifle has performance problems, the PA could invest in its improvement, and in turn, demand ToT for the updated version.

Yes, i just hope they do. Those glitches (if any) need to be addressed and we do need some light weight artillery for our area with relatively difficult access. I am just saying that those problems should be identified before any big deal is struck, addressed and resolved. Do not need to go for direct purchase with TOT, plan an initial batch of 72 guns and then realize that there is some serious problem that eventually stops the project altogether (no more guns made even though we initially planned for more and that is why we got TOT as well)
We have seen that happen in past and we should be more sensible going forward.

As for alternative SPH. We spoke of this before, but take a modern tank hull - e.g. VT-4 or Oplot - and convert into a SPH. The South Africans have (or at least had) experience in this area. We could also attach the AH-4 or MKEK Panter to Czech Tatra trucks, like Nexter did.

http://defence-blog.com/army/nexter-unveiled-new-caesar-8x8-self-propelled-artillery-system.html

Yes we indeed discussed this before and that surely is THE BEST option. Our very own ARMATA as i would like to call it .
The thing here is that is that is not happening still we wont or at least shouldn't try to manage the SP howitzer requirement with light weight artillery.

 

[This Man]

I love the artillery ....

 

[Army research]

News from a guy I know in artillery ah4 was tested in Kashmir it was declined

 

[monitor]

News from a guy I know in artillery ah4 was tested in Kashmir it was declined

Why it was decline ?

 

[Army research]

Why it was decline ?

He said that after trials it was declined because does it does not meet operational requirements

 

[Gryphon]

He said that after trials it was declined because does it does not meet operational requirements

It looked quite awesome.



@DESERT FIGHTER @kaonalpha @Irfan Baloch

Defense News reported in June 2015 that

Serbia has sent one of its APC and SPA systems for evaluation

Any update on this SPA system (certainly Nora B-52).

 

[Signalian]

He said that after trials it was declined because does it does not meet operational requirements

Why it was decline ?

News from a guy I know in artillery ah4 was tested in Kashmir it was declined

The Type-59-I , 130mm gun , used in kashmir region already has a range of 27 km unassisted with max range 38km.

AH-4 although 155mm doesnt offer anything substantial over Type-59. Its range is 25km unassisted with 40km assisted.

Its light weight, 4500kg but Mi-17 can carry external sling cargo in range of 3000kg, so air lifting can be tricky

 

[Basel]

A lightweight gun is a lightweight gun, which isn't common in today's marketplace. So, if the rifle has performance problems, the PA could invest in its improvement, and in turn, demand ToT for the updated version.

As for alternative SPH. We spoke of this before, but take a modern tank hull - e.g. VT-4 or Oplot - and convert into a SPH. The South Africans have (or at least had) experience in this area. We could also attach the AH-4 or MKEK Panter to Czech Tatra trucks, like Nexter did.

http://defence-blog.com/army/nexter-unveiled-new-caesar-8x8-self-propelled-artillery-system.html

We also have SH-1s SPH why they cant be built (TOT) or purchased to add SPH numbers?

He said that after trials it was declined because does it does not meet operational requirements

Turkey can also provide its SPH if it fits the requirements of PA.

Chinese one:

 

[Amaa'n]

It looked quite awesome.



@DESERT FIGHTER @kaonalpha @Irfan Baloch

Defense News reported in June 2015 that Any update on this SPA system (certainly Nora B-52).

What lead me to this Thread is something that I came across tonight on the road ---- moments ago, i passed by a Truck mounted Howitzer not sure what make it was, plus it was odd to stop near such a beast when it is surrounded by Personnel with ready to shoot position ----- since i was driving so i could not take a good look at this machine but my search led me to believe that it was either Nora B52 because the gun was just resting on the Driver cabin, had it been Eva 155 or other, then design would have been different -----

@Quwa @Arsalan , so are we testing this machine or what??

now am pissed off with myself for not stopping by and taking a good look at that machine ---- i should have stopped ----

 

[Basel]

What lead me to this Thread is something that I came across tonight on the road ---- moments ago, i passed by a Truck mounted Howitzer not sure what make it was, plus it was odd to stop near such a beast when it is surrounded by Personnel with ready to shoot position ----- since i was driving so i could not take a good look at this machine but my search led me to believe that it was either Nora B52 because the gun was just resting on the Driver cabin, had it been Eva 155 or other, then design would have been different -----

@Quwa @Arsalan , so are we testing this machine or what??

now am missed off with myself for not stopping by and taking a good look at that machine ---- i should have stopped ----

May be your thoughts are right, but it could be SH-1 too.

 

[Amaa'n]

May be your thoughts are right, but it could be SH-1 too.

nah! SH-1 has a Hood popping out at the front ----- this had a flat front end + SH-1 Gun falls out of the driver cabin at front - length of the gun is more than that of Truck -----
The one I saw had Gun shorter in length

 

[Areesh]

What lead me to this Thread is something that I came across tonight on the road ---- moments ago, i passed by a Truck mounted Howitzer not sure what make it was, plus it was odd to stop near such a beast when it is surrounded by Personnel with ready to shoot position ----- since i was driving so i could not take a good look at this machine but my search led me to believe that it was either Nora B52 because the gun was just resting on the Driver cabin, had it been Eva 155 or other, then design would have been different -----

@Quwa @Arsalan , so are we testing this machine or what??

now am pissed off with myself for not stopping by and taking a good look at that machine ---- i should have stopped ----

Nice nice.

 

[Amaa'n]

@Horus @fatman17 you guys have any info of any Truck mounted Howitzer under trails
?

 

[Basel]

nah! SH-1 has a Hood popping out at the front ----- this had a flat front end + SH-1 Gun falls out of the driver cabin at front - length of the gun is more than that of Truck -----
The one I saw had Gun shorter in length

If true then it's good for PA, and may be stealthy system too, compared to SH-1s.

@Horus @fatman17 you guys have any info of any Truck mounted Howitzer under trails
?

http://defence-blog.com/army/konstr...6-155-mm-self-propelled-howitzer-at-idet.html

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/nora_b52.htm

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/caesar.htm

Edit.

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/sh1.htm

 

[Arsalan]

What lead me to this Thread is something that I came across tonight on the road ---- moments ago, i passed by a Truck mounted Howitzer not sure what make it was, plus it was odd to stop near such a beast when it is surrounded by Personnel with ready to shoot position ----- since i was driving so i could not take a good look at this machine but my search led me to believe that it was either Nora B52 because the gun was just resting on the Driver cabin, had it been Eva 155 or other, then design would have been different -----

@Quwa @Arsalan , so are we testing this machine or what??

now am pissed off with myself for not stopping by and taking a good look at that machine ---- i should have stopped ----

You know what, i am MORE pissed off at your for not stopping and having a good look!

I think it is Nora B52 as there were talks of some Serbian systems coming to Pakistan for evaluation (included an IFV or APC as well/most probable Lazar). I will check to be sure.
However i do not completely understand why we are looking to buy so many weapon systems in the same class. We already have SH-1 and we acquired it with ToT and produced some 60 guns at home. Continuing with that would have made more sense. Nora however do offer that MRSI option, my personal fav.

May be your thoughts are right, but it could be SH-1 too.

I do not think HE would mix a Nora with SH-1. They both look quite different.

If true then it's good for PA, and may be stealthy system too, compared to SH-1s.

O nai bahi!! No "stealth" ambitions in this regard. Just a front flat design by default and choice of truck and that is it.