Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Hassan Guy]

After all the recovery work of the Saab 2000 it would be a waste if they just kept ordering more from abroad.

They can definitely build an aircraft of comparable role locally.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-importance-of-a-turboprop-aircraft-industry-in-pakistan.477553/

 

[ziaulislam]

After all the recovery work of the Saab 2000 it would be a waste if they just kept ordering more from abroad.

They can definitely build an aircraft of comparable role locally.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-importance-of-a-turboprop-aircraft-industry-in-pakistan.477553/

Will cost more. Better to work on things which make sense in economy of scale first like JV in helios, missiles, tanks, artillery etc..which we are still more or less importing

 

[ziaulislam]

So its official no aircarfts were lost

 

[Tank131]

After all the recovery work of the Saab 2000 it would be a waste if they just kept ordering more from abroad.

They can definitely build an aircraft of comparable role locally.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-importance-of-a-turboprop-aircraft-industry-in-pakistan.477553/

Pakistanis can rebuild and fix anything, thats a known fact. Give them a busted up stealth fighter and they will figure it out. But to build a comparable aircraft you need design teams and lare wind tunnels for design testing and more than anything, the money to design and produce the aircraft. That would be the major rate limiting step. It is cheaper to buy it off the shelf.

 

[Bratva]

4

3. Read latest MODP report once again

so how many saab awacs are operational as of now 3 or all 4

3. One needs to be purchase to replace the completely destroyed AEWC

So its official no aircarfts were lost

Read MODP 2016 report to not get confused. One was lost, two was damaged. They have fixed the two damaged aircrafts

 

[khanasifm]

3. Read latest MODP report once again



3. One needs to be purchase to replace the completely destroyed AEWC



Read MODP 2016 report to not get confused. One was lost, two was damaged. They have fixed the two damaged aircrafts

Mode report states recovery of 4th awacs and not replacement if I remember correctly rest all who knows ...

 

[Thorough Pro]

Your logic is well.............ask your car mechanic to build you a brand new and comparable car in his workshop............ then tell us what he thinks about your logic.

After all the recovery work of the Saab 2000 it would be a waste if they just kept ordering more from abroad.

They can definitely build an aircraft of comparable role locally.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-importance-of-a-turboprop-aircraft-industry-in-pakistan.477553/

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

It is actually cheaper to make things in Pakistan. Because labor and ALMOST everything else is going to be a lot cheaper to source locally than say in a 1st world country. Moreover, we save foreign exchange reserves on spare parts deals we would have to sign with foreign suppliers. Then there are savings we would be making due to bypassing any charges for training and support for new systems from new suppliers.

Pakistanis can rebuild and fix anything, thats a known fact. Give them a busted up stealth fighter and they will figure it out. But to build a comparable aircraft you need design teams and lare wind tunnels for design testing and more than anything, the money to design and produce the aircraft. That would be the major rate limiting step. It is cheaper to buy it off the shelf.

Costs are further reduced if we succeed to find a partner. Also local industrial investment can also help us.

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS:
We can become a defence EXPORTER to be reckoned with.

I think if Pakistans Weapons Industries realize their potential and make exports their goal. Then they very well cam become a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Tank131]

It is actually cheaper to make things in Pakistan. Because labor and ALMOST everything else is going to be a lot cheaper to source locally than say in a 1st world country. Moreover, we save foreign exchange reserves on spare parts deals we would have to sign with foreign suppliers. Then there are savings we would be making due to bypassing any charges for training and support for new systems from new suppliers.


Costs are further reduced if we succeed to find a partner. Also local industrial investment can also help us.

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THIS:
We can become a defence EXPORTER to be reckoned with.

I think if Pakistans Weapons Industries realize their potential and make exports their goal. Then they very well cam become a force to be reckoned with.

You are conflating make with manufacture. It is cheaper to manufacture in Pakistan, no doubt, but you have zero experience in engine design, airframe design and design testing and qualification of these said designs. There is little avionics experience as well. These things will eventually be accomplished (as evidenced by the setting up of the aviation city in Kamra) but they take a lot of time and money. Currently Pakistan has little time amd even less money (meaning it will take even longer to accomplish the goal). And these planes are second hand (lightly used) amd as such were faaaar cheaper than making it in Pakistan.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Your logic is well.............ask your car mechanic to build you a brand new and comparable car in his workshop............ then tell us what he thinks about your logic.

There is a difference between fixing an oil leak and remanufacturing the body after an armed attack to be road worthy again.

Do you think the guys over at PAC where just tightening screws???

@MastanKhan @Khafee @Falcon26 think before you up-vote some retarded comment.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yet PAC and PAF is saying over and over that they have the requisite know how and mean in place. JF-17, the recent revival SAAB 2k is witness. Do u knw something that PAC and PAF dont???

PAC appears to have vast experience in the things u have mentioned above apart from only engines.

Pakistani Defence industry is able to become a significant player in the market especially in developing and semi-developed countries.

I think PAC should aim to become a defence vendor. What say you on this point my friend @Bilal Khan (Quwa).

You are conflating make with manufacture. It is cheaper to manufacture in Pakistan, no doubt, but you have zero experience in engine design, airframe design and design testing and qualification of these said designs. There is little avionics experience as well. These things will eventually be accomplished (as evidenced by the setting up of the aviation city in Kamra) but they take a lot of time and money. Currently Pakistan has little time amd even less money (meaning it will take even longer to accomplish the goal). And these planes are second hand (lightly used) amd as such were faaaar cheaper than making it in Pakistan.

 

[Bratva]

Mode report states recovery of 4th awacs and not replacement if I remember correctly rest all who knows ...

Does recovery cost 125 million dollar ? which ironically is the cost of brand new AEWC

 

[Dazzler]

3. Read latest MODP report once again

 

[Thorough Pro]

There is a difference between fixing an oil leak and remanufacturing the body after an armed attack to be road worthy again.

Mechanic don't only fix oil leaks they also do body work after car accident.

Do you think the guys over at PAC where just tightening screws???

Do you think they were designing the whole plane or making it's engines or other systems from scratch?

@MastanKhan @Khafee @Falcon26 think before you up-vote some retarded comment.

LOL at your frustration. Learn something from these people instead of criticizing them

What are the items listed at #11, for? Are we working on our own WVR A2A missile, or are we building our own IRST system? @Oscar @messiach @Bilal Khan 777

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[khanasifm]

It’s very simple aircraft structure repair of destroyed/damage with same oem Registeration number if reactivated is retrieved, if new airframe plus all avionics, radar is acquired than its new registered aircraft plus /minus new radar plus avionics system is new acquisition, anyway who cares paf/pak paid hundred of million of dollars so it was loss to the country plus capability which is now restored at cost