Hi,
In my personal life---when I come across a road block I find ways around it---I try to find the cost to get over the hump so that I can keep on moving---because I know that the cost of going over the hump is the cost attached to a better future---and maybe one day I will be in a position to recover that cost.
But if my focus is locked on the road block and nothing else---I am just basically preparing myself for a permanent failure---.
The bribe was not 200 million dollars---it was the price of 4 M2K's----because 36 was the projected target---
And I have explained many a times---that instead of the 36---32 would have done the job very well.
It is just the cost of doing business---.
The next thing that you people talk about is the high cost of operating them---.
Well---if you had put 4 M2K's in a fixed deposit earning scheme for 10 years---you would have a substantial income coming every year to cover a substantial cost of operation---( 4 M2K's is equal to 200 million dollars ).
Now---would 28 aircraft had done the job for the 36---with a lots of push---shove and hard work---the 28 would have filled in the void very well.
Diversity makes you improvise---how can you get to your target from a different vantage point---.
Pakistani nuc scientists achieved their goals---because there were brilliant minds behind the project.
I cannot tell you about the deceit and deception our scientists used to get the necessary equipment for the nuc program---they did it---because there was conviction to succeed---they did it because those super geniuses knew how to tackle such problems---.
A minimum of 1/2 billion dollars---possibly 1 billion dollars went to illegal activity---payoff---bribes---over billing---over invoicing---.
You young pakistani kids needs to get out of your eternal stupidity and learn that running a nation is not like playing by the rules of a cricket umpire---.
Bribes are bad---but maintaining the nation sovereignty is more important.
You pakistani kids must find out what outrageous prices the israelis paid to czekoslavakia for weapons in the late 40's early 50's.
Hi,
As I have written in my post---our nuc program may have paid over 1/2 to 1 Billion dollars in Bakhsheesh / Payola---could it be 2 billion dollars---it could be---.
Why did we pay that---why did those behind the procurement paid that---.
We paid that because our very existence depended upon it---
Secondly---those who paid it---they were highly educated professionals coming from different backgrounds with experience of working in different countries---
You would hardly find someone below a PhD in that group---
Now compare it to the Paf---all generals staff have a basic 12th grade fundamental education as a free thinker---whatever other education they gain is in an enclosed environment that brainwashes and controls their way of thinking---so regardless of what degrees they get after the fact---their brains stay at the level of a 12th grade education---and that is how they look at issues.
Your PhD scientist had worked in France---in UK---in the USA---in Canada---in Holland---he had a greater and a grander vision of what needed to be done---he had attained his education with a free and developing mind---.
A lot of these scientists came from extremely poor background---totally destitue---LIKE MY UNCLE---if---when he went thru govt college Lahore in the early 1960's---if he did not have a scholarship and did not teach other students while going to college and sent home Rs200 a month---there was no future for him---.
He submitted 10 nuclear reactor designs during his stay in the US in the late 60's---. He was amongst many a scientists of pakistan who went out to procure for the pak nuc program---he would just drop hints and what he had to face to buy the stuff---but the stuff was bought at ANY COST---.
I am giving you the pakistani kids these examples so that you know how stupid that air force person was who refused the M2K deal---that man---who araz wants to protect----destroyed the integrity and defense of pakistan out of sheer ignorance---and TOO MUCH HONESTY---.
When making these deals---you need ars-eholes who can find ways to do outrageous things and not sit on their pride.
We all condemn both Benazir and Zardari and I do it too---they tool a lot of money of Agosta 90 B---.
But have you dumb fcks ever thought what you got in return---the Agosta 90 B was the most advanced sub in the region for years---they got us the best of the best---and it would still be a force to recon with after being refurbished---.
Honesty in procurement is an OXYMORON---what you will settle for is if your buyer has managed to get the best possible item under the given circumstances---and you will consider it as a blessing---.
In a similar manner like our nuc scientists did for us---.
These scientists were given suit cases full of money and were told---go get it---don't come back empty handed---need more---let us know---and they made us proud.
If the 50000 pakistani memnbers on this board realized that and made it a one voice---one loud voice and addressed the Paf---they would have shaken the foundation of the thieves sitting in the Paf---.
But you dumb fools---one after the other come up with the excuse---we had no funds---Paf had no funds---and you have no clue about it---if they had funds or not---but just because you had a piece of flesh in your mouth and it could utter that---you uttered it---.
