Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Safriz]

That was a SEK 7.4 billion "Credit contract" and figures included Compound interest and surcharges..Not the actual cost per unit...Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...awacs-aew-cs-aircrafts-215.html#ixzz2cQd5dDIv


Pakistan Air Force Saab 2000 AEW&C Support Contract

Posted on: March 21st, 2013

The first Pakistan Air Force Saab 2000 AEW&C during pre-delivery flight-testing.

Saab was awarded a support contract for the type today by an unspecified nation, which must be Pakistan, as the only current operator of the type.

Saab DEFENCE AND security company Saab today signed an SEK1.1 billion ($169 million) support contract for a Saab 2000 AEW&C (airborne early warning and control) system already in service with an undisclosed nation. Although the company did not identify the country involved, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is the only air arm currently operating the type. All other Erieye systems on Saab aircraft are on the smaller Saab 340.

The PAF has taken delivery of four Saab 2000 AEW&C aircraft, which entered service with 3 Squadron at PAF Base Kamra-Minhas from December 2009. One aircraft was, however, damaged beyond repair on August 16, 2012, when militants fired a rocket-propelled grenade at 3 Squadron’s hangar. At the time it was thought to be repairable, but on February 6, 2013, Pakistan’s Defense Secretary confirmed that it had been destroyed in the attack.

The new support contract covers a comprehensive set of spares and support services for the system, which comprises of the Saab 2000 aircraft equipped with the advanced Erieye radar system and ground equipment.

“Our support contract is a result of our close co-operation with our customer and can be seen as a further confirmation of our strong capability to provide our customers with advanced service and support solutions”, says Gunilla Fransson, Head of Saab’s Security and Defense Solutions business.

AFD-Dave Allport

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...awacs-aew-cs-aircrafts-215.html#ixzz2cQd5dDIv

So you need to makeup your mind too, that RPG destroyed the AWAC!

You are quoting a news posted by @fatman17 on PDF which he quoted from an aviation magazine...where it was written by "Dave Allport"..
He is wrong on many occasions..
Look here

ISSUU - No 305 afm 082013 by moest emha

Here he says that a new Hawker-4000 is operated by ISI...when it was a private jet bought by Malik riaz and co.....Only kept secret for reasons of political defamation fro buying a private jet..
Yet "Dave allport" says it ISI operated...

If you want to beleive him...go ahead..
and @fatman17 sir..always double check your sources....I have seen you posting "Sensational Journalism" on a few occasions...
You posted AFD news from Dave allport HERE

While International Registers say the plane was delivered to "Behria Town"



So all those who want to believe AFD-Dave Allport humbug.........you are following the wrong guy.

 

[Bratva]

You are quoting a news posted by @fatman17 on PDF which he quoted from an aviation magazine...where it was written by "Dave Allport"..
He is wrong on many occasions..
Look here

ISSUU - No 305 afm 082013 by moest emha

Here he says that a new Hawker-4000 is operated by ISI...when it was a private jet bought by Malik riaz and co.....Only kept secret for reasons of political defamation fro buying a private jet..
Yet "Dave allport" says it ISI operated...

If you want to beleive him...go ahead..
and @fatman17 sir..always double check your sources....I have seen you posting "Sensational Journalism" on a few occasions...
You posted AFM news from Dave allport HERE

While International Registers say the plane was delivered to "Behria Town"



So all those who want to believe AFD-Dave Allport humbug.........you are following the wrong guy.

So SecDef Feb 6 statement is fabricated by sensational media.

Sahi Bhai, App sachay.

And btw, you are contradicting your own "deleted post report" remember, this is the same report you posted in your first deleted quote, right?

Why so much jumping back and forth?

 

[SQ8]

Gentlemen, this is the SIPRI track for transfers. They do spend a lot of time in these things.

Now refer to this discussion here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/seniors-cafe/220384-conundrum-pakistans-saab-2000-erieye-awacs.html

Just in case people were wondering. The S in SIPRI stands for Stockholm which is the Swedish capital.

 

[Donatello]

Gentlemen, this is the SIPRI track for transfers. They do spend a lot of time in these things.

Now refer to this discussion here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/seniors-cafe/220384-conundrum-pakistans-saab-2000-erieye-awacs.html

Just in case people were wondering. The S in SIPRI stands for Stockholm which is the Swedish capital.

This is strange, since on this forum it was agreed that Pakistan bought 5 aircraft, out of which 4 were modified to the Erieye standard.

 

[Jango]

This is strange, since on this forum it was agreed that Pakistan bought 5 aircraft, out of which 4 were modified to the Erieye standard.

Bhai jaan abhi to bauhut kuch ana hai...

Gentlemen, this is the SIPRI track for transfers. They do spend a lot of time in these things.

Now refer to this discussion here

So it's 80% confirmed then...
@DANGER-ZONE...what do you say about this?

 

[Safriz]

The data does not mention J-019 which isnt an AWACS. Its a normal saab-2000 for VIP transport and training purposes.
So where is the descripency/surprise?

This is strange, since on this forum it was agreed that Pakistan bought 5 aircraft, out of which 4 were modified to the Erieye standard.

The data does not mention J-019 which isnt an AWACS. Its a normal saab-2000 for VIP transport and training purposes.
So where is the descripency/surprise?

This is strange, since on this forum it was agreed that Pakistan bought 5 aircraft, out of which 4 were modified to the Erieye standard.

 

[SQ8]

The data does not mention J-019 which isnt an AWACS. Its a normal saab-2000 for VIP transport and training purposes.
So where is the descripency/surprise?

This should explain the whole problem.

Number of AWACS delivered and Status of Aircraft.
Aerial Eyes: Pakistan’s New AWACS Fleets

Saab announces a 5-year, SEK 1.1 billion ($170 million) contract that runs from 2013-2017, and covers “a comprehensive set of spares and support services for a previously delivered system, Saab 2000 AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control).” Unfortunately, “The industry’s nature is such that depending on circumstances concerning the product and customer, information regarding the customer will not be announced.”

The answer seemed obvious. Air forces using Saab turboprop AWACS include Sweden, Thailand and the UAE (Saab 340), and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (stretched Saab 2000 variant). Pakistan’s sale is well known and hasn’t been secret, so a Saab 2000 AEW&C customer insisting on secrecy must mean… Saudi Arabia.

Except that we might have been wrong. What even the February revelations in Pakistan hadn’t disclosed is that the attack on Minhas AB in Pakistan happened with 3 Erieye planes on the ground. One was destroyed – but 2 others were very badly damaged. That leaves Pakistan with a fleet of just 1 plane, until it gets those 2 fixed. That could explain this $170 million contract, with the sudden secrecy invoked because Pakistan doesn’t want to publicly admit the extent of the loss; indeed, if Saab doesn’t announce a separate SEK 1+ billion support contract soon, the default assumption for this deal must become Pakistan.

The problem for Sweden, says Sweden’s Dagens Industri in an April 10/13 article, is that the original purchase was funded by a 2006 credit arrangement of SEK 7.4 billion from the Swedish Export Credit and Export Credits Guarantee Board. Now they’ll have to add SEK 1+ billion to cover this, all to a country that isn’t viewed as a terrific credit risk. Our Swedish source says that Dagen Industri is about to break a follow-on story involving “questionable commissions” related to the sale. No, we’re not shocked, either. But Sweden has laws that will be enforced, even if Pakistan’s aren’t.

Why am I NOT surprised

 

[Jango]

This should explain the whole problem.

Number of AWACS delivered and Status of Aircraft.
Aerial Eyes: Pakistan’s New AWACS Fleets



Why am I NOT surprised

Sir jee...you can't prove these things to one whose ego is bigger than life. Gola maro.

 

[nomi007]

i think our security situation demanding don't disclosed these type of sensitive information openly
i thing is very clear both saab 2000 and p 3c are top target of our enemy
so i request to all memebers don't talk about how many are remaining

 

[Bratva]

@Oscar @nuclearpak

as initially believed, 4+1 Saab would be delivered, but final configuration became 3+1.

If one AWAC is dropped, yet the price of deal remained 1 billion dollar.

SecDef in Parliament quoted price of each awac 250 million dollar


So does it mean around 200-250 million dollars were wasted in commissions?

 

[Safriz]

10040 took part in safron bandit...
Video exists..
And another was photographed after the attacks....It wasnt clear in the picture if it was 10040 or 10045.

This should explain the whole problem.

Number of AWACS delivered and Status of Aircraft.
Aerial Eyes: Pakistan’s New AWACS Fleets



Why am I NOT surprised

If somebody good at photoshop and fotensic eyes can figure out if this is 10040 or 10045??

 

[Argus Panoptes]

@Oscar @nuclearpak

as initially believed, 4+1 Saab would be delivered, but final configuration became 3+1.

If one AWAC is dropped, yet the price of deal remained 1 billion dollar.

SecDef in Parliament quoted price of each awac 250 million dollar


So does it mean around 200-250 million dollars were wasted in commissions?

Wasted? Commissions are due earnings, not wastage, or so goes the conventional wisdom in our defense deals.

 

[Jango]

So does it mean around 200-250 million dollars were wasted in commissions?

Saudia bhai jan Saudia.

 

[Bratva]

Saudia bhai jan Saudia.

Oh the myth of Saudia financing the deal and buying one for itself and PAF training their crew was not a myth after all

Wasted? Commissions are due earnings, not wastage, or so goes the conventional wisdom in our defense deals.

It's everyone right to earn their "due earnings" by hook or by crook

 

[Jango]

Oh the myth of Saudia financing the deal and buying one for itself and PAF training their crew was not a myth after all

There's a lot of myths that aren't myths but a reality.
@DANGER-ZONE...