Pakistanis be ready, time of action is here and now.

[Humble Analyst]

The chinooks were not stealth---. The helicopter used were modified Blackhawks.

The Chinooks for back up were stealth do not ask me how I know. I believe the Black Hawks were stealth too. Just for once give up and believe that Chinooks were stealth and I am 200% sure.

 

[cloud4000]

Pakistan allowed the operation. It's a well known fact. How else did the get out from Abbotabad?
Pak military was fully involved and there is no OBL...where is the proof aside from waffle

Then why did Pakistan government say ISI helped US to catch OBL?

 

[Ultima Thule]

It's already happening...

What already happening @cloud4000 ????

 

[Trango Towers]

Then why did Pakistan government say ISI helped US to catch OBL?

Politics bro....that way america gets its bogey man (no evidence) and pakistan get leverage

 

[MastanKhan]

The Chinooks for back up were stealth do not ask me how I know. I believe the Black Hawks were stealth too. Just for once give up and believe that Chinooks were stealth and I am 200% sure.

Hi,

The blackhawks were---the chinooks cannot be stealth---so much noise.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Hi,

The blackhawks were---the chinooks cannot be stealth---so much noise.

So what you want to shoot it down and will pay consequences for this act as a result @MastanKhan

 

[Longhorn]

Hi,

What do you mean intruding aircraft---?

Would israeli air force be only shooting down intruding syrian aircraft---? They would decimate whatever is in the air---. Inside their border---flying close to the border or few miles inside of its border---.

This is a BVR world---targets 40-50 miles away can strike as viciously as a Rattler---.

This is modern day BVR warfare---any aircraft that was in the arena and on target lock should have been taken out---.

As reports have come out---there were multiple targets locked by Paf pilots and they were asking permission to shoot them down---and the permission did not come in time---.

Supposedly it came about 15-16 seconds too late---.

Which means that Paf air command had his head up his---when they were planning for the strike---all possibilities of engagement were not covered---.

Secondly---the Air Marshall on the scene---flying supposedly back seat of the F16---did not have the BALLZ to instantly approve to take the enemy out---.

The order did come to take the enemy aircraft out---but it came late---. Paf generals should have been prepared for it ahead of time...

As for the post count---

The problem with new comers is that they start with the newest post and put their input without looking at the previous discussion---.

Atypical pakistani---when entering a discussion room don't want to be bothered to see where the discussion is standing---.

If you want to challenge something---establish your bonafides first---. I am surprised that you have not been taught that basic simple thing---.

Let e repeat it---the supposed permission came in 15 seconds to late---by that time the enemy had run away---which means---there preparation was incomplete---all contingencies were not covered---all the what ifs were not gone over and questions asked or answers given prior to the event---.

The enemy was in a PANIC MODE---all its senses were in a shock mode---the skies belonged to the Paf at that time and the Paf knew about it---.

There were no hidden traps---no hidden assets anywhere---the enemy was on the run---totally confused---.

It was the 1965 battle again---General Akhtar scenario one more time---.

You need to learn a bit of humility when you talk to and about fellow posters.
You lack self esteem.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

The blackhawks were---the chinooks cannot be stealth---so much noise.

You are impossible to convince these Chinooks were. I am not a kid and for once hear and listen to somebody. While I cannot tell how I know but can assure you they were stealth. If you are in my town let me know and maybe I will be able to convince you. But if i cannot it does not matter. If you accept my word on it it changes your narrative and story and I have not seen you ever accept anything other than what you say. But still if you are in my area I will buy a cup of coffee, at least once. By stealth they were radar stealth not noise stealth.

 

[MastanKhan]

You are impossible to convince these Chinooks were. I am not a kid and for once hear and listen to somebody. While I cannot tell how I know but can assure you they were stealth. If you are in my town let me know and maybe I will be able to convince you. But if i cannot it does not matter. If you accept my word on it it changes your narrative and story and I have not seen you ever accept anything other than what you say. But still if you are in my area I will buy a cup of coffee, at least once. By stealth they were radar stealth not noise stealth.

Hi,

It is not a mater of the chinook being stealth or not in this case---. It maybe---.

But the fact is---two blackhawks went in---one got destroyed---45 minutes time for the operation---.

Takes about 45 minutes for the 3rd helicopter aka the chinook to fly in---so the time line is about 1 1/2 before the start of operation---till the chinook arrived to extract the remaining troops---.

3-5 minutes for the chinook to load up---then 1 1/2 hour for it to fly out---.

3 hours roughly for the operation---and then the claim is that it is a military academy town---it would have a lot of military presence and OBL could not have lived without their knowledge---.

If such was the case---then they would supposedly know where OBL lived---then how come they did not retaliate at the location where the raid was going on---?

You need to learn a bit of humility when you talk to and about fellow posters.
You lack self esteem.

Hi,

Don't hide behind humility or no humility---.

Present your case with strength and conviction of your knowledge and belief---and not that pakistan military knows best---.

It does not---.

 

[Longhorn]

Hi,

It is not a mater of the chinook being stealth or not in this case---. It maybe---.

But the fact is---two blackhawks went in---one got destroyed---45 minutes time for the operation---.

Takes about 45 minutes for the 3rd helicopter aka the chinook to fly in---so the time line is about 1 1/2 before the start of operation---till the chinook arrived to extract the remaining troops---.

3-5 minutes for the chinook to load up---then 1 1/2 hour for it to fly out---.

3 hours roughly for the operation---and then the claim is that it is a military academy town---it would have a lot of military presence and OBL could not have lived without their knowledge---.

If such was the case---then they would supposedly know where OBL lived---then how come they did not retaliate at the location where the raid was going on---?




Hi,

Don't hide behind humility or no humility---.

Present your case with strength and conviction of your knowledge and belief---and not that pakistan military knows best---.

It does not---.

I just find your attitude obnoxious. I don't like rude people.
I would never engage with you on that basis in real life, so please do me a favour.

 

[imadul]

Hi,

Told you guys that this Air Chief is a COWARD---.

Paf is an extremely deceitful organization---. They knew that after 27th feb---indians would be retaliating---.

The Paf have intentionally kept their number of aircraft lower over the years even though there were multiple opportunities to buy aircraft---so that Pak Army does not start a war---.

Paf knows if their aircraft numbers were higher---they would have to fight a war for the Pak army---.

Dont want to derail....but sounds like conspiracy theory! PAF kept aircrafts number low!!!

 

[Humble Analyst]

I just find your attitude obnoxious. I don't like rude people.
I would never engage with you on that basis in real life, so please do me a favour.

Longhorn if you do not mind my jumping in ,you do as you please and at times Mastan Khan can be very curt and dealing with him you will learn how to grow a thick skin and learn to hear others perception even if comes out rough.
He is not so bad as he sounds. Keep giving him logical answers and he comes around so do not get discouraged please.

 

[imadul]

I just find your attitude obnoxious. I don't like rude people.
I would never engage with you on that basis in real life, so please do me a favour.

You can disagree with @MastanKhan but he just says his mind. This open and blunt talk is required.

I still remember the night of PBL fiasco, PAF then chief was on a TV station saying that by the time we were ready the helicopters have crossed Pakistan's airspace in to Afghanistan. I was dumbstruck, then started to laugh.

In the meanwhile we got bad name all across the world. I am still asking the question which no one want to touch in the world. We know one out of the two helicopters were down in the compound, how the remaining Marines traveled in one helicopter with the dead body!!

Even a stupid person could have done the calculation how long does it take the helicopters with such a low speed to cross the airspace against fighter jets, especially when the operation itself lasted over half an hour.
I knew this crook is telling porkies to Pakistan nation.

It is clear Pakistan was onboard, may be not days and weeks but by the day of operation.

 

[Longhorn]

Longhorn if you do not mind my jumping in ,you do as you please and at times Mastan Khan can be very curt and dealing with him you will learn how to grow a thick skin and learn to hear others perception even if comes out rough.
He is not so bad as he sounds. Keep giving him logical answers and he comes around so do not get discouraged please.

No one has a right , by his own admission, to call anyone a fool or stupid regardless of opinion.
How dare he?
There is no excuse for rudeness.
I have a rule that I will not post anything on a forum that I wouldn't say to someone's face.
I'm sorry, but courtesy and manners are very important to me as they should be to everyone.
So thanks but no thanks.

 

[Humble Analyst]

No one has a right , by his own admission, to call anyone a fool or stupid regardless of opinion.
How dare he?
There is no excuse for rudeness.
I have a rule that I will not post anything on a forum that I wouldn't say to someone's face.
I'm sorry, but courtesy and manners are very important to me as they should be to everyone.
So thanks but no thanks.

There are a lot of rough people cannot avoid them all but I respect your stand