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Pakistan Provincialism was because of the lack of centralization and the allowing of ethnic parties first pre 1971 we let the Bengalis traitors under Mujib create ruckus we did cause they our "Muslim" brothers I am mixed on the break up of East Pakistan in 1971 first off we were not hard on miscreants back then its only after we learned other Muslim countries follow their own national interests that a unified Pakistani nationalism was able to form also the proxy conflict from sectarian sponsors in Iran and Saudi unified our nation as well

Never ever give autonomy why do you think the Kurds are begging for autonomy because it is a stepping stone to independance.

Turks have given autonomy numerous times instead all those state have either declared independance or even became stronger than the parent country. Example is Muhammed Ali Pasha and various Ottoman governors who even had their own armies.

If the Kurds in Turkey want autonomy other non Turkish ethnic groups will ask the same thing. Now in Turkey the circassians are asking for their language to be recognised and want all state benefits. Lets not forget the 3 to 4 million Syrian refugees who are also demanding a lot of stuff.

Turks are the majority in Turkey either non Turks accept it or leave. The same thing should be done in Pakistan too.
 
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Abdulhamid II said I was not able to unite state while Japan was able to because they did not have a lot of ethnic groups while Abdulhamid II said how can I unite the Turk, Bulgarian, Armenian, Jew and the Greek together.[/QUOTE]

To be fair all Asian nationalists in Turkey,China,British India admired how Japan was able to defeat the European Russians in the early 20th century Abdulhamid is usually admired by Islamists and Neo Ottomans he is actually was a precursor to Ataturk and Ataturks reforms
 
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Abdulhamid II said I was not able to unite state while Japan was able to because they did not have a lot of ethnic groups while Abdulhamid II said how can I unite the Turk, Bulgarian, Armenian, Jew and the Greek together.

To be fair all Asian nationalists in Turkey,China,British India admired how Japan was able to defeat the European Russians in the early 20th century Abdulhamid is usually admired by Islamists and Neo Ottomans he is actually was a precursor to Ataturk and Ataturks reforms[/QUOTE]

To be honest Ataturks reforms was just a continuation of the Tazminat reforms began by Mahmud II.

A lot Neo Ottomans do not realise this.
 
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If people do want Sharia in their country who do you think is the biggest obstacle??? It is the minorities themselves.

Muslims in their own countries cant even implement laws because it will offend minorities and after that minorities will start crying like bitches.

Interesting you say that as Pakistan is a unique case.

You will find minority Christians and Hindus asking for aspects of Fiqh to be implemented on the state level.

For example, minorities want a ban on the sale and consumption of alcohol reserved for them as it opens them up abuse, social ills, and numerous other problems.

Many of the Christians, Hindus, and other minorities are are obliged to Hafiz Saeed and Lashkar e Tayaba for carrying out aid work and community building in their backwards regions.

While the whole Western world chastises Pakistan for Hafiz Saeed and his pro-Kashmir speeches, it is the minorities of Pakistan who defend him the most and support his struggle.

It is the pseudo-liberal Pakistani Muslims who enforce this narrative of Islam oppressing minorities, which then gets picked up by foreign media.

You will hardly find any Pakistani Christian, Hindu, Sikh, or other minority ever supporting Israel or India. They are more loyal to the state and cause of Islamic fiqh than many Muslims.

One good Pakistani Christian friend was asked by an Indian what he thinks of Pakistani Muslims. He said that his religion is Christianity, but his culture is Islam.

We have to protect our minorities from being used and manipulated as pawns by pseudo-liberal Muslims and foreigners with anti-Pakistan anti-Muslim agendas.

We can change the narrative by showing the world that Muslims and Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists can live together in peace and mutual respect under an Islamic milieu.
 
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Never ever give autonomy why do you think the Kurds are begging for autonomy because it is a stepping stone to independance.

Turks have given autonomy numerous times instead all those state have either declared independance or even became stronger than the parent country. Example is Muhammed Ali Pasha and various Ottoman governors who even had their own armies.

If the Kurds in Turkey want autonomy other non Turkish ethnic groups will ask the same thing. Now in Turkey the circassians are asking for their language to be recognised and want all state benefits. Lets not forget the 3 to 4 million Syrian refugees who are also demanding a lot of stuff.

Turks are the majority in Turkey either non Turks accept it or leave. The same thing should be done in Pakistan too.

Jinnah quoted this shortly before his death I might be wrong he said on the lines " we are not Punjabis,Pukhtons,,Balochis,Bengalis, etc we are PAKISTANIS also Urdu as the only national language the problem he died early on Liaqat Ali Khan his protege was killed by Pukhtoon separatists in 1951 the bloody politicians then waited the 1950s doing nothing creating two wings leading to resentment leading to military coups Ayub Khan was the closest nationalist leader we had the masses were misled by left wing and Islamist nut jobs who only cared for power also the provincial miscreants however these mistakes have no made people realize we must unite as PAKISTANIS

Interesting you say that as Pakistan is a unique case.

You will find minority Christians and Hindus asking for aspects of Fiqh to be implemented on the state level.

For example, minorities want a ban on the sale and consumption of alcohol reserved for them as it opens them up abuse, social ills, and numerous other problems.

Many of the Christians, Hindus, and other minorities are are obliged to Hafiz Saeed and Lashkar e Tayaba for carrying out aid work and community building in their backwards regions.

While the whole Western world chastises Pakistan for Hafiz Saeed and his pro-Kashmir speeches, it is the minorities of Pakistan who defend him the most and support his struggle.

It is the pseudo-liberal Pakistani Muslims who enforce this narrative of Islam oppressing minorities, which then gets picked up by foreign media.

You will hardly find any Pakistani Christian, Hindu, Sikh, or other minority ever supporting Israel or India. They are more loyal to the state and cause of Islamic fiqh than many Muslims.

One good Pakistani Christian friend was asked by an Indian what he thinks of Pakistani Muslims. He said that his religion is Christianity, but his culture is Islam.

We have to protect our minorities from being used and manipulated as pawns by pseudo-liberal Muslims and foreigners with anti-Pakistan anti-Muslim agendas.

We can change the narrative by showing the world that Muslims and Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists can live together in peace and mutual respect under an Islamic milieu.

I have met several Pakistani Christians here in NY you would expect them to be Anti Pakistan I was wrong many are quite nationalistic hate Indians more than Pakistani Muslims the problem like you said is the pseudo liberals are in the media levers against the state I said the biggest enemies to Pakistan are these pseudo liberals and So called Islamists

To be fair all Asian nationalists in Turkey,China,British India admired how Japan was able to defeat the European Russians in the early 20th century Abdulhamid is usually admired by Islamists and Neo Ottomans he is actually was a precursor to Ataturk and Ataturks reforms

To be honest Ataturks reforms was just a continuation of the Tazminat reforms began by Mahmud II.

A lot Neo Ottomans do not realise this.[/QUOTE]

Many people assumed Ataturk and Abdulhamid were pole opposites they were not only difference was Ataturk was for a republic and Hamid a monatchy
 
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this thread has turned into a woman bashing thread, so talking sense here will be pointless.
will it not?
the general impression being given here is that "not all Pakistani men are bad"
"but yes, all Pakistani women are bad"

the day Pakistani women started demanding their rights, and started questioning their abusive relationship, they turned bad.
Not all men are bad not all women are bad but listen to both sides before making a call
 
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I have met several Pakistani Christians here in NY you would expect them to be Anti Pakistan I was wrong many are quite nationalistic hate Indians more than Pakistani Muslims the problem like you said is the pseudo liberals are in the media levers against the state I said the biggest enemies to Pakistan are these pseudo liberals and So called Islamists

Yes, agree about pseudo-liberals, but I still do not accept the terminology of the word Islamist. You cannot take such an important part of Pakistan’s culture and identity, and demonize any affiliation with Islam.

If you are referring to JI, JUIF, TLP, I will agree 100%.

By most Western definitions, Imran Khan and PTI would also be classified as religious Muslim leaders to be disapproved of.

Pakistan is a deeply religious society, you cannot divorce Islam from any aspect of it.

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Furthermore, our last three secular governments have wrecked havoc on our foreign debt and weakened our state, internally and externally.

Give Islamic Nationalist PTI a chance to shine.

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Yes, agree about pseudo-liberals, but I still do not accept the terminology of the word Islamist. You cannot take such an important part of Pakistan’s culture and identity, and demonize any affiliation with Islam.

If you are referring to JI, JUIF, TLP, I will agree 100%.

By most Western definitions, Imran Khan and PTI would also be classified as religious Muslim leaders to be disapproved of.

Pakistan is a deeply religious society, you cannot divorce Islam from any aspect of it.

1161-2557.jpg


Furthermore, our last three secular governments have wrecked havoc on our foreign debt and weakened our state, internally and externally.

Give Islamic Nationalist PTI a chance to shine.

khan-a729f.jpg
Pakistan is a deeply religious society?..
No one understands religion here yet everyone talks about it's because it makes them feel good.
I have been here 5 years and never met a single person who knows the meaning of namaz. So what deeply religious when they dont even know what they pray in namaz. All day on Facebook etc but cant Google meaning of namaz. No fact is Pakistanis are religious bull sh1tters. Head banging keeping a beard big belly and short salwar isnt Islam. That's why we have so many problems in our society for forced arranged marriages to inheritance. Because we dont know Islam.
Ps. Islam has no problems muslims do.
 
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https://www.utoronto.ca/news/sabeen...-she-s-being-mentored-someone-who-understands

University of Toronto News
Sabeen survived two abusive marriages. As a U of T student, she’s being mentored by someone who understands

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Mentor Samra Zafar and Sabeen (photo by Steph Martyniuk)

Sabeen* had survived two abusive marriages. She had entered the first – an arranged marriage – in Lahore, Pakistan, at the age of 21. After almost 10 difficult years, she boarded a plane with her children to start again in Canada. At 35, she then tried marriage a second time. This husband quickly turned emotionally abusive. To Sabeen, living with him felt like “living with the devil,” and she began fearing for the safety of her children. In a matter of months, she found the strength, yet again, to leave.

Sabeen had wanted to attend the University of Toronto Mississauga for a long time, hoping to attain a degree in criminology and sociolegal studies to pursue a career in family law. But there were so many roadblocks to attending university, including paperwork: She didn’t have her transcripts from the university she had attended in Pakistan. She was dealing with the emotional and financial toll of a divorce in progress, and of being a single working mom. But she thought a lot about applying, anyhow.

One day, her mom sent her a link to a Toronto Life article, with a one-line message: “If she can do it, you can do it.” It was a memoir by U of T alum Samra Zafar, who had been forced into an arranged marriage at the age of 17. Like Sabeen, she had survived emotional and physical abuse. She, too, had two children very young. She, too, had found the strength to leave her marriage. Unlike Sabeen, Samra was much further ahead in her academic journey – and her journey of healing. She had not only earned a bachelor of science in financial economics from U of T Mississauga in 2013, but had followed it up with a master’s in economics in 2014. She was now pursuing a successful career in commercial banking.

After she read the article, an astounded Sabeen looked up Samra on Facebook and messaged her. She wrote, “I feel like this is a sign from God that I have to pursue this and submit an application to UTM.” Samra messaged her right back, and advised her to email her story to the office of the registrar. So Sabeen wrote to them, laying out her entire life story. “I felt, ‘I need someone to open one window for me so I can just jump through and save my life.’”

On a summer day in 2017, she was visiting her parents who were then living in Abu Dhabi. She sat down and checked her email. There was a letter of acceptance from U of T Mississauga. “‘I did it,’” she thought. “I got in.” That night, she messaged Samra. “I thought I heard Samra scream through Messenger. She was so happy for me.”

Since then, Samra has been her mentor, an unofficial position that sees them meet up or talk once a month. The first time they met, at a Starbucks, they talked away the hours over coffee that went cold. “I thought, ‘She is so powerful and confident’ – and her smile,” says Sabeen. “When people go through pain, it’s hard to smile. So for her to be able to smile like that, where her eyes and her entire face sparkle, you can tell she’s come a long way and she’s proud of herself.” Adds Sabeen: “My smile’s kind of getting there now. Going to UTM is my healing process. Doing something for myself is a whole new beginning.”

Their conversations range from academics, to juggling single parenthood with classes, to career goals, to dealing with fears about future relationships. “It’s very holistic,” says Samra. “It’s not just about school; it’s about life.” And because mentoring shape-shifts with each step that the mentee takes, the conversations change, too: When Sabeen started school, she had questions about the credit system. Now, she mulls over whether she should pursue grad school right away or enter the job market.

They also talk about lighthearted things – from the keto diet to dating: “She has a great sense of humour,” says Samra. “There was a time when I went through a breakup and I said, ‘Oh my God, I have the worst luck with men.’” They both just looked at each other. “Babe, I’m with you,” said Sabeen. “We’re both magnets.” In that moment, they burst out laughing.

“Mentoring is very different from teaching or coaching or even helping, because it’s not about what you can do for them. It’s about how you can empower them to do it for themselves,” says Samra, who has mentored more than 30 women – at U of T and otherwise – and also founded Brave Beginnings, a non-profit to support abuse survivors. “My own mentors have never told me what to do. They’ve been my sounding board. They’ve given me ideas. They’ve played devil’s advocate. They’ve given me a reality check sometimes. They’ve connected me with people. At the end of the day, I’m empowered to make informed decisions for myself, which is so liberating. I can actually craft and create the life that I want for myself, and I don’t want to do it alone and I’m not meant to do it alone. That’s the power of mentoring.”

When Samra left her husband in her second year at U of T Mississauga in 2011 and moved into campus housing, she was struggling under the weight of court cases surrounding the divorce and domestic abuse; her own challenges of healing and coping; working multiple jobs; raising her girls; and going to school. It was her university mentors and friends who lifted her up: Students would look after her children when she was at the lawyer’s office. Professors would spend hours motivating her and encouraging her to go on.

One mentor who had a profound effect on her was John Rothschild, a U of T alumnus who was then CEO of Prime Restaurants. He is still an integral part of her life, providing emotional support and encouragement, and helping her navigate fears and hard decisions. “People would hold my hand in the worst circumstances. It just warmed my heart so much, and that is what made all the difference,” she says. “I realized that resilience is not just an individual concept. It’s a collective concept. When people are connected to each other, and when people are comfortable in offering and asking for help, that’s what builds resilience.”

Like Samra, Sabeen certainly knows what it’s like to navigate her way through extreme stressors while attending university and raising children. She tries to schedule her classes so she can be there when her 10-year-old son and 13-year-old daughter get home from school; then she makes dinner and helps them with homework. When night hits, it is time for her to do her own assignments. Making friends with other students has been difficult given the difference in age and life experience – and Samra helps her with that. “Only she can understand the pain that I feel, the misery of being undermined so much,” says Sabeen. “She went to hell, she came back. And she’s OK. Unless you’ve been to hell and back, you don’t know what it feels like and you don’t know if it’s going to be OK.”

Samra was accepted into U of T in 2004, but her husband wouldn’t pay the tuition fee and she couldn’t get OSAP because of his salary and assets. She started to babysit and tutor, and saved enough money on the sly for tuition. On a proud day in June 2013, at the age of 31, she walked across the dais in Convocation Hall, graduating as U of T Mississauga’s top economics student. Samra is now an alumni governor at U of T and her bestselling memoir, A Good Wife, was recently published by HarperCollins.

A few weeks ago, Samra had a vivid dream that she was back living with her ex-husband and his parents. She was in the basement, and tried to open the door to get out. She was trapped. She woke in a sweat and looked around. She was home in her condo, safe. Her kids came by. “Are you OK, Mommy?” They all hugged.

After Samra has had a nightmare or flashback, or has experienced anxiety, she imagines embracing her young self. “That 17-year-old girl who was forced into marriage or the 23-year-old who was told she couldn’t go to school, I just imagine hugging her and telling her it’s OK. You’re a part of me and I love you, and just saying the things she should have heard at the time.”

Now, as a mentor, Samra is able to support other women who may need an embrace – whether it’s a physical one, or more of a helping hand. She tells them: “The only thing that can heal you is you. Know that the strength lies inside of you, not around you. The people around you will help you realize that strength, and that’s what mentoring is about, but ultimately it’s in there. Once you know that you have that power, then you’re unstoppable.”

*Sabeen’s last name has been withheld at her request.

This article first appeared in the University of Toronto Magazine. Read more of the Spring 2019 issue.
So every man whom she married was abusive but this poor damsel-in-distress. :rolleyes:

So what is the moral of this story? Do not marry but embrace LGBTQ+ lifestyle (or) live like a FREE Feminist Slut?
 
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Pakistan is a deeply religious society?..
No one understands religion here yet everyone talks about it's because it makes them feel good.
I have been here 5 years and never met a single person who knows the meaning of namaz. So what deeply religious when they dont even know what they pray in namaz. All day on Facebook etc but cant Google meaning of namaz. No fact is Pakistanis are religious bull sh1tters. Head banging keeping a beard big belly and short salwar isnt Islam. That's why we have so many problems in our society for forced arranged marriages to inheritance. Because we dont know Islam.
Ps. Islam has no problems muslims do.

Religious illiteracy and general illiteracy are major issues, I don’t disagree.

Namaz, knowing Arabic, and reading Quran with translation and tafsir needs to be focused on as well.

However, you cannot deny the power of Islam and Islamic thinking in everyone’s lives.

This is because the basis of our society was strongly Islamic.

Allama Iqbal being our philosopher poet and a man deeply on a mission for the sake of Islam. The whole goal of his life to teach Muslims to recover their pride and true calling, to embrace themselves fully by the strength of their faith and history.

Every Muslim, and every Pakistani in particular, should strive to become a higher creation (mard e momin,) which can only be gained through israr e khudi (self-realization.)

His disciple and man of high principle, Quaid e Azam, was thoroughly invested in what he saw as the need to save Muslims from an impending disaster. He taught us how to navigate the Western godless world with self-pride and dignity, not being enamored by its smokes and mirrors.

Maulana Maududi, a scholar from whom almost all great Islamic movements all over the world (Egypt, Iran,etc.) draw inspiration. His unabashedly Islamic way of thinking was most important directly following 1971, and allowed us to focus inwardly and pull remedies from our own Islamic self.

He saw history as an ultimate culmination of truth over evil, light over dark, in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad saws. After Islam’s revolutionary light, man was fully equipped to fight against the forces of Shaytaan in both the internal realm and external realm. Our shortcomings were all related to not following the Quran and Sunnah properly.

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We were able to build and rebuild ourselves over and over because of the great guides which Allah swt put before us.
 
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This is so sad, I feel sorry for pakistani women.

Maybe they should go out with Indian guys to be safe, we don't abuse our women.
 
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Religious illiteracy and general illiteracy are major issues, I don’t disagree.

Namaz, knowing Arabic, and reading Quran with translation and tafsir needs to be focused on as well.

However, you cannot deny the power of Islam and Islamic thinking in everyone’s lives.

This is because the basis of our society was strongly Islamic.

Allama Iqbal being our philosopher poet and a man deeply on a mission for the sake of Islam. The whole goal of his life to teach Muslims to recover their pride and true calling, to embrace themselves fully by the strength of their faith and history.

Every Muslim, and every Pakistani in particular, should strive to become a higher creation (mard e momin,) which can only be gained through israr e khudi (self-realization.)

His disciple and man of high principle, Quaid e Azam, was thoroughly invested in what he saw as the need to save Muslims from an impending disaster. He taught us how to navigate the Western godless world with self-pride and dignity, not being enamored by its smokes and mirrors.

Maulana Maududi, a scholar from whom almost all great Islamic movements all over the world (Egypt, Iran,etc.) draw inspiration. His unabashedly Islamic way of thinking was most important directly following 1971, and allowed us to focus inwardly and pull remedies from our own Islamic self.

He saw history as an ultimate culmination of truth over evil, light over dark, in the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad saws. After Islam’s revolutionary light, man was fully equipped to fight against the forces of Shaytaan in both the internal realm and external realm. Our shortcomings were all related to not following the Quran and Sunnah properly.

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We were able to build and rebuild ourselves over and over because of the great guides which Allah swt put before us.
Agreed. There is hunger for Islamic knowledge and jahil molvis propagating their own agenda like which colour the turban should be.
Not their fault. The weakest poorest student in the family is sent to the Madrassa and then we ask him to teach us our religion. What can we expect
 
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