Pakistani Punjab must pay the price for terror

[Styx]

So do we have the same right. India has lost the right when it had financed terrorism, established terror camps on Indian soil for exercising terrorism against East Pakistan in 71.

PERIOD.

if ever another 10 million+ refugees cross over to here seeking shelter, you'll see 1971 again.

 

[chhota bheem]

So do we have the same right. India has lost the right when it had financed terrorism, established terror camps on Indian soil for exercising terrorism against East Pakistan in 71.

PERIOD.

Why don't you guys realise India is much bigger than you ,and when India does the same thing what Pakistan is doing the effect will be bigger.

 

[Styx]

Nuke India. (and wait for them to wipe every single one of us off the map for good) Thats all.

 

[chhota bheem]

if ever another 10 million+ refugees cross over to here seeking shelter, you'll see 1971 again.

Now that's trolling at an national level by India and BD

 

[Indika]

if ever another 10 million+ refugees cross over to here seeking shelter, you'll see 1971 again.

They are already creating similar situation in karachi. We will get a lot of usefull idiots to play around with. If pakistan breaks up it will expose india directly to hordes from afghanistan,central asia and middle east. They need to be in one piece, a single entity we can deal with.

 

[chhota bheem]

 

[Styx]

Now that's trolling at an national level by India and BD

what should really scare the Pakkis in that pic is both Modi and jihadidi Mumtaz came together along with our girl Hasina

but they can try, go ahead.. let them stop the Jagannath

 

[haviZsultan]

So in your opinion all "Punjabi elite, middle-class and soldiers and their families" are providing funding and other means to support terrorists.
Seriously man,you should not smoke Cheap Indian Weed that much!!!

If they want to blame someone they should blame us all. India has been using this cheap tactic to divide us for a long period and we have been falling for it, culminating in the break up of Bengal.

As a muhajir born and wannabe pashtun I say clearly that I stand with the rest of my Pakistani brothers, including Punjabis. So if Indians want anyone to blame, blame all of us. The Punjabis are not even the richest group in Pakistan so watch it and stop causing divisions between us.

 

[Areesh]

They are already creating similar situation in karachi.

In past few years Karachi is more peaceful today than ever. And we are creating some situation in Karachi. News for a Karachiite like me. Love to see delusions of you bharatis about various regions of Pakistan. Sometimes Baluchistan, sometime Karachi, sometimes GB

if ever another 10 million+ refugees cross over to here seeking shelter, you'll see 1971 again.

Nope we won't. Both realistically and logically.

 

[MadDog]

As I said, if we start targeting populaces in true earnest, one side is going to cry mommy first.

But honestly, I do not think it will come to that. Once a few of their main cities are hit, they will get the message. Remember, the Punjabi is as Indic as they come. Self preservation is paramount.

The game will keep changing.

Kid Pak already lost 50,000 people in WOT, our main cities were hit 2007 onward, yet we stayed course, crushed the insurgency brutally, violence dropped by 80% , since TTP was decimated, they have escaped to afghanistan, trying to jump onto IS bandwagon since they are so weak, you think by doing terror strikes you can bully us, Pak has been at war since its inception, 40's, 60's 70's with India , 80's (afghanistan), 90's (kashmir/afghanistan), post 9/11 war on terror, it is resilient, battle hardened, we have seen the worst, yet we recovered with economy improving, try sending some terrorists, we can also play on ethnic/political/religious fault lines in ur country (nagaland, red corridor, kashmir, IM, LET) with more ferocity, we did it to the soviets, the mighty 4 million red army with 20,000 nukes, ISI is eager for u to initiate something as stupid as this which will rollback ur economic growth !!!

 

[Indika]

Kid Pak already lost 50,000 people in WOT, our main cities were hit 2007 onward, yet we stayed course, crushed the insurgency brutally, violence dropped by 80% , since TTP was decimated, they have escaped to afghanistan, trying to jump onto IS bandwagon since they are so weak, you think by doing terror strikes you can bully us, Pak has been at war since its inception, 40's, 60's 70's with India , 80's (afghanistan), 90's (kashmir/afghanistan), post 9/11 war on terror, it is resilient, battle hardened, we have seen the worst, yet we recovered with economy improving, try sending some terrorists, we can also play on ethnic/political/religious fault lines in ur country (nagaland, red corridor, kashmir, IM, LET) with more ferocity, we did it to the soviets, the mighty 4 million red army with 20,000 nukes, ISI is eager for u to initiate something as stupid as this which will rollback ur economic growth !!!

So what are you ppl mad , to screw up and fix your self? The world has moved on while pakistan is staying in 80's playing with terrorists. "mighty 4 million red army with 20,000 nukes" enuf of this nonsense, soviet union fell under its own weight not due to some dumb country. If pakistan was so good , there would have been no bangladesh or kashmir left with india.

But anyway its good pakistan is still stuck in the 80's ......hit another 10 years later you will have stone age. Hope they implement sharia asap.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistani Punjab must pay the price for terror - Rediff.com India News

'The target for all our counter-terror operations ought to be Pakistani Punjab's population,' argues Colonel Anil A Athale (retd).


The July 27 terrorist attack on a police station near Gurdaspur in Punjab has again focused attention on terrorism emanating from Pakistan. As expected, the shadow of this incident has fallen on the proposed talks between Indian and Pakistani national security advisors scheduled for this month. The reactions on both sides of the Radcliffe Line (the border drawn by the British in 1947) were on predictable lines.

The Indians, based on GPS found, linked the terrorists to Pakistan. The needle of suspicion pointed towards the Lashkar-e-Tayiba or Jaish-e-Mohammad, the two Pakistani Punjab-based terror groups that exclusively target India.

Since this was the first attack in Indian Punjab in 13 years, many saw this as another escalation of the proxy war by Pakistan. There were the usual calls for retaliation and cancellation of talks. There was the usual blame of 'intelligence failure' and our failure to 'seal' the border.

Pakistan is the world headquarters of conspiracy theories besides being the epicentre of world terrorism. A Pakistani columnist claimed (external link) that the Dinanagar attack was the handiwork of India's external intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing!

The Pakistani columnist conjured up a picture that paints a scenario that in the no too distant future Kashmir will merge with Pakistan, Khalistan will be a reality and India will break up.

Even for convoluted conspiracy theories this takes the cake! The Pakistani columnist also spectacularly fails to explain how all these objectives could be achieved and what India gained by attacking its own police station and killing its own people. The fact that such columns appear in a 'sober' and 'moderate' newspaper is an eye opener. One can imagine what must be published in Pakistan's strident Urdu language press.

In this episode of mindless violence, there may well be a silver lining for India. The police have not revealed the identity of the attackers. If they are not Khalistani supporters and usual LeT cadres, then it will mean that Pakistan has failed in its attempts to revive militancy in Indian Punjab.

But should they turn out to be Khalistani terrorists based in Pakistan, then it would mean that Pakistan wishes to open one more front against India besides Jammu and Kashmir.

Pakistan is currently enjoying a brief lull as the United States cozies up to it for helping its withdrawal from Afghanistan. But unlike in the 1980s, this is limited support, both in duration and depth.

In the 1980s, the Khalistani movement became such a potent threat to India because it was a joint enterprise between the US, the United Kingdom and Pakistan.

People have forgotten how individuals like Devinder Pal Singh Bhullar of the Khalistan Commando Force secured easy asylum in the US at that time. Advertisements even appeared in British newspapers, asking for former special forces operatives to train Khalistani separatists.

With memories of blowback in the form of the 9/11 attacks on the US mainland and the radically altered geopolitical context, where India is a potential ally against China, the US/UK combine is unlikely to re-embark on the course it followed in the 1980s.

As long as that factor remains, mobilising the Sikh Diaspora for destabilisation of Indian Punjab will remain a pipe dream for Pakistan.

But in the interim, we must be ready to face increased terror attacks as Pakistan fully utilises the window of opportunity provided by Uncle Sam anxious to get out of Afghanistan with honour and unlike its departure from Vietnam.

As a student of insurgency and terrorism for 25 years, one thing is very clear to me: India, or for that matter Pakistan, are far too large States to be 'destabilised' by such actions.

Countless such attacks have taken place in J&K for the last decade or so, but that has had no major impact on the geo-strategic situation or J&K's status within the Indian Union. If anyone thinks that such attacks can change the military situation, they are living in a fool's paradise.

This still leaves the question unanswered: How can India stop these pin pricks and bloodletting?

The first step in dealing with this issue is a clear headed understanding of who carries out these attacks and what their motivation is.

In India, after every attack of such a nature, even serious analysts have linked it to some event or the other. For instance, the present attack has been linked to the meeting the two prime ministers had in Ufa, Russia. Sometimes the attacks have been linked to visits by foreign leaders. The conclusion being that these have some specific objectives.

Analysis of even the most dastardly attack like the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai shows that this is not the case. There was nothing that happened before or was scheduled to happen later that led to those attacks.

Let it be understood clearly once and for all that these attacks are linked to the fact that there are unemployed youth who have nothing better to do. The social conditioning and lack of employment in Pakistan with its runaway population growth is the main cause of this.

In addition, the LeT or Jaish are virtually sarkari groups. They get regular grants from the Pakistan government and are therefore semi-government entities. They also enjoy full support of the Pakistan army since they are seen as strategic assets.

The activities of these Pakistani Punjab-based groups make sure that the relations between India and Pakistan do not improve. This is necessary from the Pakistan army's view as only then can it continue to rule Pakistan. The India bogey is an existential necessity for the Pakistan army to continue its domination of Pakistani politics.

The civil government indeed wants to curb these groups and thereby reduce the role of the army in the politics of Pakistan. But here the biggest obstacle for the civil government is the popular support these groups enjoy in the all-important province of Punjab.

No elected government can take action against the LeT or JeM since they enjoy popular support in Punjab that contributes to close to 75 per cent of the armed forces, the bureaucracy and the industrial elite.

A cursory look at the who's who in Pakistan will show how important Punjab is in the Pakistani scheme of things. On their part these two terror groups have made sure that they do not carry out any operations in Punjab.

Is it any surprise that Pakistani Punjab has remained the least affected province as far as terrorism is concerned?

The first operational principle of counter insurgency or counter-terrorism is to drain the 'swamp' of public support. Thus, the target for all our counter-terror operations ought to be Pakistani Punjab's population, not Karachi nor Balochistan.

Till the time Pakistani Punjab does not pay the price for the terror campaign against India, such attacks will continue.

We have to clearly analyse the weak points of the Punjab economy and society to do this. We have tried bus diplomacy, cricket diplomacy, people to people contacts and track II, but failed. There are several ways that the Punjabi elite, middle-class and soldiers and their families can be targeted.

Once we establish clear linkages between the support to terrorism and their misfortune, a process of rethink can begin in Pakistan Punjab.

So the superseded Lt Col has lost his bearings and is advocating terrorism in Pak.., @doppelganger am I missing something...


@Chinese-Dragon Here is another gem..

 

[Devil Soul]

..if u have balls & gutts Come target me 1st I am from the same group u r advocating to target.. But bring extra body bags bcoz u gonna need them, oh waiy no need of body bags.. wasay bhi aap ki tu chiita jalay gee..come khusbu laga kaay..

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Col. Athale is not only a Maratha warrior himself, with a long and glorious martial lineage, but he is an expert and a world renowned historian on Maratha history.

He knows, as all Maratha do, what Pakistan's angst really is and where it stems from.

He also understands, like the living flag bearers of the now dead foreign Mughals do, that to hurt the enemy, you go straight for his heart.

You think it is lost on us what Mumbai signifies and why it keeps getting hit again and again like Somnath?

This is an old war, and its not over.

The Punjabi may be your blood foes, but its the Maratha who finished your empire and pushed you to where you now carved out a fortress for yourself for your last stand.

We are not done.

You over estimate yourself too much... If you had any knowledge of history you would know that Marathas were actually pawns of Adina Baig (a Punjabi Arian who became Punjabs most powerful man by playing double politics... Bring a Mughal Governor... He supported Sikhs against mughals (for his own gains)... He supported mughals to even kill Sikhs .. and than he actually rented Marathas for 1 lakh per day to do his bidding and UN the end he threw them out... He played both sides and became the most powerful man of Punjab)..

Now you can quote or any any claims about your ethnicity ... I being a Baluch and having Pashtun relatives and spouse.., would only "post" 2 historic quotes ;

Stones may melt but the vengeance of Baluch never... never!


For generations the Hindus has prayed for deliverance "from the venom of a cobra, the tooth if the tiger .... and the strike of the Pashtun"..,

 

[Indika]

For generations the Hindus has prayed for deliverance "from the venom of a cobra, the tooth if the tiger .... and the strike of the Pashtun"..,

yawn...........and morons never change.