Pakistani position in any Iran/US conflict

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I think that it is not a matter of some specific help or role; but US would like Pakistan to be an active part of the alliance, working against Iran and its allies. This active role, Pakistan is denying to play.

So you reckon PM Khan didn't know what he was signing onto when accepting US approved $6 billion IMF loan, $3 billion from Saudi Arabia and another $3 billion from UAE?

 

[PradoTLC]

oh, you were talking about earlier Afghan mess. Even then it was an army general. My point was it was Musharraf who gave the logistics access to America after 2001. So why curse civilian leadership?

he had no choice.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

A lot of members are saying that Pakistan should not cave in to American demands. First of all unlike Afghanistan US has direct access to Iran. They have well established bases all around the Iran throughout GCC.

So why do you think US needs us for???

@JonAsad @HRK @waz @Mav3rick @That Guy @Path-Finder @Alternatiiv @-blitzkrieg- @The Eagle @Dubious

I dont think US has any dependence on Pakistan.

 

[That Guy]

A lot of members are saying that Pakistan should not cave in to American demands. First of all unlike Afghanistan US has direct access to Iran. They have well established bases all around the Iran throughout GCC.

So why do you think US needs us for???

@JonAsad @HRK @waz @Mav3rick @That Guy @Path-Finder @Alternatiiv @-blitzkrieg- @The Eagle @Dubious

They don't need Pakistan for a strike, nor an invasion, but it's better to have immediate neighbors cooperate, rather than actively hinder. That's all assuming the US is serious about considering an Iranian retaliation as an act of war.

The truth is that both sides are in a difficult spot. If Iran retaliates, it may lead to full blown war. If it doesn't, it will lose regional influence.

The US will likely not find allies to join its military actions against iran, and will likely face isolation from its allies. The red line that Pres Trump threatened have likely put us military officials in a tight spot, because it leaves no room up for background negotiations. The US military officials also probably want to avoid military action against iran, but their hands are now tied. The worst part for the US is, the ball is in Iran's side of the court.

 

[khansaheeb]

I think that it is not a matter of some specific help or role; but US would like Pakistan to be an active part of the alliance, working against Iran and its allies. This active role, Pakistan is denying to play.

So why did we take the Saudi/Arab money?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

My question is WHY would US want our help???

Quite simply to declare us an ally against Iran and to force us to declare Iran a miscreant. This would be a propaganda victory for USA. Same as when Vanuatu supports attacking Afghanistan for example - coalition of the willing and all that.

USA certainly doesn't need us for anything military against Iran. It does want us to ensure Shia fighters don't enter Iran. But if we're dumb enough to offer "help", they'd accept this back door to establishing a base in Pakistan.

Worth remembering Pakistan is next on their list once they get bases and regime change In Iran.

 

[Musafir117]

A lot of members are saying that Pakistan should not cave in to American demands. First of all unlike Afghanistan US has direct access to Iran. They have well established bases all around the Iran throughout GCC.

So why do you think US needs us for???

@JonAsad @HRK @waz @Mav3rick @That Guy @Path-Finder @Alternatiiv @-blitzkrieg- @The Eagle @Dubious

They are stupid if ask for help and we more stupid to say yes.

 

[graphican]

My question is WHY would US want our help???

USA has just required Pakistan to close its border with Iran, which means they want to block trade, food items and movement of people in and out of Iran. Pakistan has a considerable Shia population. Iran is not just an important neighbouring Muslim country, it is centre of religious sentiments for many in Pakistan.

From the sea-side, USA cannot bring its ships/troops near the border. If it had to use ground force, it will be through Afghanistan and without Pakistan's help as a supply route, they will incapable to any prolonged operation.

My assessment is that Paksitan will be not just neutral, but it will refuse to help USA in any way what so ever. Iran had supported Pakistan in its two wars with India in the past - and in the upcoming war, Pakistan's oil will depend upon Iran. There is no way Paksitan would offend or act against Iran, especially when they are not guilty and their National hero is martyred for no reason.

Update: DG ISPR has stated that Pakitan will be a partner in peace and peace alone. We will not allow the use of our territory against any state.

 

[313ghazi]

Comments asking Pakistan to take Iranian territory range from naive to outright stupid.

1. Nobody is going to invade Iran, especially not the Americans. Iran has a huge land territory, doesn't have large societal rifts to exploit has a relative homogeneous population in terms of religion and ethnicity.

2.Iran also has a massive land mass, plenty of places to hide missiles and resistance fighters.

3. Also the current government is the Shia equivalent to the Taliban, ie they are religiously motivated. They found volunteers to fight Iraq to a standstill for 10 years. They fight irregular wars in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen with enemies who had control of the airspace. They will use similar tactics.

4. Nobody will give you land, especially the Americans. If they did invade they'd expect thier proxy regime to control all of Iran, especially Sistan-Balochistan as it is right near the CPEC route and would be used in the future as a base to commit terrorism in Pakistan. If they did let you have territory it'd be at the cost of Pakistani soldiers on the front line against the Iranian state.

5. Long term the Americans could not hold Iran, it'd be Afghanistan all over again. Then we'd be left to face resistance from a pro Ayatollah shadow government in Iran.

6. There are elements in Pakistan more loyal to Iran than Pakistan. We'd face the Shia version of TTP too.

7. America will never be your ally. Even if we were serving them, they'd still ok Indian attacks on Pakistan. What better time to attack then when Pakistan is militarily busy occupying foreign territory. The USA would especially allow, even encourage this AFTER we were done helping them invade, as they'd have already used us and then be gifted with a chance to weaken us, forcing us to withdraw from territory we were holding.
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Right now we don't need territory, we need prosperity, security, we need to strengthen militarily and economically so we can be independent.

 

[khansaheeb]

We should by no means take anyone's refugees, we have suffered enough taking Afghani refugees for the last 30 years and we should not take any more, sealed the border and tell them to go somewhere else or say good bye to the economy for the next 30 years as well.



All the little kids are divided in to two camps who consider the other to be a bigger enemy then the bully, it a Shia vs Sunni war in the Middle East and anyone telling otherwise is only fooling himself or has a hidden agenda, it's as simple as that, sealed the border and turn a blind eye to what is happening beyond it, no picking sides, no help nada, it's not our war, it's not our conflict stay the **** out of it COMPLETELY.

Yeh Mr smart ar$e Hindjew poodle then what happens after Iran falls? You are basing the lives of 200 Million people based on simple emotional logic. It's not the short term picture but the long term outcome we are interested in. What if the US runs like it has run before leaving a powerful Shia hostile country braying for our blood?

 

[khansaheeb]

They are stupid if ask for help and we more stupid to say yes.

PA calculates as to what is in its best interest to make it more powerful and secure the nation, but like Zia's let the Afghans in policy PA can make mistakes.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

A lot of members are saying that Pakistan should not cave in to American demands. First of all unlike Afghanistan US has direct access to Iran. They have well established bases all around the Iran throughout GCC.

I don't think they are asking us to join in a war against Iran. Pak is perhaps the only state that while maintaining a close relationship with US Arab allies also has a somewhat cordial relationship with Iran. So we can be used to mediate or at least for back-door diplomacy. Pakistan has been playing this role for at least a couple of years now between Riyadh & Tehran.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

For several reasons!! My inputs:

• Afganistan: prevent the Taliban from falling to Iran with a peace treaty. And, fully concentrate on Iran with listening posts, quick reaction forces etc. And, the US would like do it with 0% hindrance. Without Pak help it’s not possible
• KSA/GCC: Pak help to contain the real fallouts of this proxy war in those places. The Bahrain model vis-a-vis Pak comes to the mind
• Pak/Iran border: to limit its porousness

 

[zeeshe100]

 

[TheDarkKnight]

So you reckon PM Khan didn't know what he was signing onto when accepting US approved $6 billion IMF loan, $3 billion from Saudi Arabia and another $3 billion from UAE?

So you prefer that Pakistan should have gone into a default and be bankrupt when Pmln left a 20+ bln in balance of payment?

There has been no anti Iran stance taken by our govt, and yet you are carrying these malicious theories.

PS. If you had no issue with Nawaz Sharif as PM with properties in UK, companies in UAE and business relations with Indian tycoons, why are you so sensitive about IK as he has no such personal interests with any foreign govt. And please dont repeat JUIF retarded logic here such as“Wiki is Jemima cousin” etc.