Pakistani leader Imran Khan admitted he refuses to criticize China's treatment of its Uighur minorit

[Rasengan]

He's a Muslim and he matters to millions of Muslims over the world, if not the billions.

Erdoğan changed his tune due to economic issues but it's clear where he stands. Turkey doesn't have a state policy to suppress anti-China news like Pakistan does.

The only country that will rise is China. I hope and pray to God i am wrong but i see Pakistan turning to Xinjiang and especially since Pakistanis are religiously inclined, we will be suffering the same fate as Uighurs.

There's also the matter of social credit score which is a big hit with Xi Jinping which he will definitely want to implement in Pakistan. Definitely not a good outlook

He can jump off a bridge for all I care. He insulted Pakistan when he said our existence was a mistake which makes him an enemy. Look at the punk now running with his tail behind his legs.

You can't use Erdogan when he has changed his stance. Stick to the present situation rather than living in the past. Turkey supports China on the issue of the Uyghurs and now you want Pakistan to play the lone wolf in a issue which isn't clear to the rest of the world but is peddled by America who has an agenda against the China.

Foreign policy is based upon pragmatism and not emotional actions. IK and his Govt will convey their message privately. @Beast Give us your opinion.

 

[Dalit]

He's a Muslim and he matters to millions of Muslims over the world, if not the billions.

Erdoğan changed his tune due to economic issues but it's clear where he stands. Turkey doesn't have a state policy to suppress anti-China news like Pakistan does.

The only country that will rise is China. I hope and pray to God i am wrong but i see Pakistan turning to Xinjiang and especially since Pakistanis are religiously inclined, we will be suffering the same fate as Uighurs.

There's also the matter of social credit score which is a big hit with Xi Jinping which he will definitely want to implement in Pakistan. Definitely not a good outlook

Dr. Zakir Naik is a charlatan. His reputation reeks with bigotry and division. I won't say anything else.

The rest of your accusations are just that. They are based on hearsay.

 

[Lincoln]

The Uyghur drama has suddenly come to the forefront out of the blue. Never before did we hear any concerns from the Western world regarding Uyghur community. Suddenly we hear that China is oppressing Muslims. The same Western nations that destroyed Iraq and so many other Islamic nations through war and deceit are today blaming China. It is a pathetic attempt to malign China.

There is a reason why the vast majority of Islamic nations actually support China instead of supporting Western accusations.

Same Islamic nations suck west off when it comes to Israel and Syria.

And as to why it's at forefront now is because these camps were setup recently in the second decade to tackle separatism but they're suppressing religion.

I'll admit western nations are on it for their national interests, but truth is truth, the evidence is undeniable. Such a big accusation can easily be disproven by China but China still hasn't made an effort at all.

Same time, you know exactly why some Islamic countries have kept shut or voiced support. It's called money.

 

[doorstar]

Dr Zakir Naik has spoken for Uighurs.
Dr Zakir Naik has also spoken for Kashmiris, Palestinians.

don't forget that he also speaks up for that there mass murderer Yazīd ibn Mu'āwiya from Syria

 

[Dalit]

I agree with this point of yours. Imran Khan should either speak up for every atrocities that's happening on Muslims and not be selective or just shut up and stop lecturing others on hypocrisy.

You can't feel sad for Muslims in land A and lose sleep over it but call it an internal issue of the oppressor in land B where the oppressor has helped you financially.

It just looks bad to the world and there's a reason every damn time he goes to Western world to lecture others on morality, he gets asked questions about Uighurs.

And no, it's not due to some conspiracy (saazish) against him.

Frankly, Pakistan is simply conveying the facts as far as Kashmir is concerned. If the West wants to accept the facts that is good. If not, that does no harm to Pakistan. We know that Pakistan stands alone at the end of the day. If you believe that you can garner sympathy by towing Western lies against China you are in for a nasty surprise.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan's government is not convinced by the propaganda war on China.

The infowars are not for Pakistanis to take seriously. Calm yourselves down.

 

[fisher1]

IK and his Govt will convey their message privately.

Or he won't. How are you so sure he would?

And it won't matter anyway.

 

[Rasengan]

The Uyghur drama has suddenly come to the forefront out of the blue. Never before did we hear any concerns from the Western world regarding Uyghur community. Suddenly we hear that China is oppressing Muslims. The same Western nations that destroyed Iraq and so many other Islamic nations through war and deceit are today blaming China. It is a pathetic attempt to malign China.

There is a reason why the vast majority of Islamic nations actually support China instead of supporting Western accusations.

This tactic has been used by the West for more than 20 years. I was once a student who also once believed in the mistreatment of Uyghurs. But my Chinese friends told me to visit the region at least and then come to a conclusion. There are 56 ethnic groups in China of which 10 of them are Muslim. The only one which causes a problem is the Uyghur. There are some problems in Xinjiang but in my opinion it stems from old bitter feuds which go back centuries ago. The Uyghurs themselves don't have a good relationship with other Muslim's. Does this mean the China Govt is correct all the time. The answer is no. However, if we look at the history of China in the last 40 years then you can see the change in the country. The same applies in Xinjiang.

 

[fisher1]

Pakistan's government is not convinced by the propaganda war on China.

The infowars are not for Pakistanis to take seriously. Calm yourselves down.

Wow, what a disappointing statement. Infowars really?

I guess you're just a hater of IK and biased against him. Thought you actually cared about people's sufferings.

Oh well

 

[Rasengan]

Or he won't. How are you so sure he would?

And it won't matter anyway.

In the interview he said quite clearly our view on this topic will be conveyed privately due to the nature of our relationship. I have never supported IK but this pragmatic approach is tilting me toward him.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

don't forget that he also speaks up for that there mass murderer Yazīd ibn Mu'āwiya from Syria

yea he praised him in one video I saw. but thats his personal opinion. he also praised and justified Osama Bin Laden so you can tell where he is coming from
and where he is going

 

[El Sidd]

Wow, what a disappointing statement. Infowars really?

I guess you're just a hater of IK and biased against him. Thought you actually cared about people's sufferings.

Oh well

The concerns raised have been taken up with the Chinese. There is just not enough incriminating evidence available to make it a black and white case.

I don't hate IK. I respectfully disagree with him

 

[Dalit]

Your entire argument seems to be based around it being propaganda. If that's the case, answer these questions.

1. Why do these satellites show these re education camps with large walls, and watch towers?

2. Who are the thousands of Uighur refugees who have managed to escape to Turkic countries, as well as Northern Pakistan, and some to Australia. Are all these women, daughters, sons, parents, carrying pictures of their loved ones, simply bots?

3. Why China refuses to allow anyone to come and visit the camps in an eased, and uncontrolled environment? Very few news agencies have been given the opportunity, one was CNN. In it, they asked the guard inside about it and also were allowed to ask one of the persons being held captive inside; they said praying here is not allowed... the guard said that they can be held for an unknown long time, that religious stuff is not allowed, but he didn't consider it a prison...

4. Why did China initially deny their existence? They denied it for a damn long time.

1. Satellite images provided by Western sources? The same Western sources that fabricated these lies to begin with? Doesn't sound very credible.

2. The ones that have fled don't want to reintegrate in Chinese society. That is their choice, but their accusations don't add up. If you stay in China you have to abide by the rules. I don't see anything wrong in Chinese state demanding their citizens to become part and parcel of Chinese society. As long as China doesn't interfere in Uyghur culture and religious norms nothing to worry about. That is not happening as far as I am aware.

3. CNN is not a very reliable source when it comes to Chinese reporting. It is after all an American media group which is firmly opposed to China's success story. Having said that, I have heard news stories where journalists were allowed to visit the camps. Nothing terrible was found. I will Google the links and share them here.

4. I am not aware of any denial on China's part.

I have said this before, if China is involved in human rights abuses, which is unlikely in my opinion, Pakistan has already approached the Chinese government. This should really calm the nerves of Western media.

This tactic has been used by the West for more than 20 years. I was once a student who also once believed in the mistreatment of Uyghurs. But my Chinese friends told me to visit the region at least and then come to a conclusion. There are 56 ethnic groups in China of which 10 of them are Muslim. The only one which causes a problem is the Uyghur. There are some problems in Xinjiang but in my opinion it stems from old bitter feuds which go back centuries ago. The Uyghurs themselves don't have a good relationship with other Muslim's. Does this mean the China Govt is correct all the time. The answer is no. However, if we look at the history of China in the last 40 years then you can see the change in the country. The same applies in Xinjiang.

Let me remind the Pakistani members here that the same Western media groups also blame Pakistan for oppressing Baloch and Pashtun ethnic groups in Pakistan. Pakistan firmly denies these charges. We all know that Western governments use their media to shape opinion. In this instance, the media is falsely used to shape opinion against China and Pakistan.

 

[fisher1]

If you believe that you can garner sympathy by towing Western lies against China you are in for a nasty surprise.

For me sufficient proof has been provided and people i deeply respect and value have spoken on it that i don't believe it to be western lies.

I actually think it's a blessing and mercy from Allah that America has an interest in China and so America is pressuring China. Because if it was left to Muslims, they are all in prostration to China already and nobody would even know the atrocities committed on Uighurs.

Like how Rohingya is an issue that America has no interest in and Muslims countries don't give a crap about either. If America had an interest in, we would have known about Rohingya issues a lot more.

I am not towing anyone's lies. I am not hopeless. In fact, i believe China would pay for its crimes. Look at this mysterious virus called Wuhan virus. China calls Islam a virus and how comical would it be if Xi Jinping dies of a virus.

 

[Rasengan]

Let me remind the Pakistani members here that the same Western media groups also blame Pakistan for oppressing Baloch and Pashtun ethnic groups in Pakistan. Pakistan firmly denies these charges.

When I was arguing with my friend on this topic he used the same reasoning. Every patriotic Pakistani knows our Baloch and Pashtun brothers have never been oppressed in Pakistan. But when you read a western newspaper Pakistan is painted as the bad guy. The same holds true for China. They must change some of their polices but this must be done internally. We can advice them behind the scenes.