Pakistani leader Imran Khan admitted he refuses to criticize China's treatment of its Uighur minorit

[Dalit]

Huh? What world do you live i

Not the one that you live in. That is for certain.

 

[Lincoln]

There is stark difference between what you claim and what the reality is.

1. The Uyghur issue is not comparable to other conflicts in the Muslim world. There is no persecution.

2. The Western world stands largely isolated in their accusations against China. Most Islamic nations apart from Turkey have not sided with Western accusations. Many Islamic nations have sided with China thus far. Pakistan is not an exception.

3. Imran Khan has still tactfully made his case to Western media. Pakistan approaches China privately to convey its message. This is a strong answer to all the criticism.

Whether the Western world is willing to accept this message is upto them. Pakistan doesn't have the obligation of convincing any side.

Kashmir conflict and Uyghur issue are not comparable. One is an armed conflict. The other is an internal issue of China.

1. Yes, happy happy life in China, god bless the communist government, we must sing praises of Xi Jinping. Nothing wrong at all with the fact that these re education camps are becoming larger, have watch towers, soldiers; all the Uighurs who managed to escape are probably CIA bots and robots; the fact how Chinese government narrative changed from denying their existence at first, and also still not letting unmonitored visits... yes, completely normal, in line behavior, nothing to see here.

2. Turkey and Malaysia, both, actually. Rest, like Pakistan, it's a concern of national interest. Malaysian Prime Minister is quite frank, and has said that, unfortunately, Malaysia is too small to deal with Uighurs issue, in an interview.

3. They should tell Imran Khan to kindly channel his reservations about Muslims treatment and persecution in other parts of the world, also by private channels, and not through tweets.

4. European immigration is also their internal matter. So is the Indian CAA an internal matter. So is the Rohingya issue, and so is the Israeli issue.

I will say this, human rights violations can never be called an internal issue. That's absurdity.

Lastly, won't argue any longer who keeps beating around the bush, when he knows clearly that Imran Khan is bsing extremely hypocritical here.

My opinion is still same, stop being the safe guardian of Muslims. Prime Minister of PAKISTAN, ministers of PAKISTAN... our interest should be Kashmir, Pakistan, and national interests of our allied states we know we can support on.

End of story.

 

[fisher1]

Not the one that you live in. That is for certain.

Definitely. I live in Pakistan and we're subservient to America already. Anything further would be slavery.

Yet you act like this is a distant possibility in future. Get educated before you comment on world politics

 

[Rasengan]

Finally, Pakistan has a leader who puts the national interests of the country first. We don't need to broadcast our talks with the Chinese to the rest of the world. @beijingwalker I told you pragmatism wins over emotion and people on this forum mean nothing when the Govt's of Pakistan and China are on the same page.

 

[Dalit]

Definitely. I live in Pakistan and we're subservient to America already. Anything further would be slavery.

Yet you act like this is a distant possibility in future. Get educated before you comment on world politics

Pakistan is not a strategic ally of the US. This is a blunt lie. At best Pakistan and the US are convenient allies and the relationship is transactional.

 

[fisher1]

Exactly! The people who shed crocodile tears for Chinese Muslims dont utter a word for Yemeni, Irani, Syrian and Iraqi Muslims who have been killed or under punitive sanctions by their master the USA.

What a complete hypocrisy this concern for Chinese Muslims is.

What a bunch of lies. I have spoken against India, America, Israel.

Let's see how you're a hypocrite.

Erdoğan spoke for Uighurs.
Erdoğan has spoken for Kashmiris and Palestinians.

Dr Zakir Naik has spoken for Uighurs.
Dr Zakir Naik has also spoken for Kashmiris, Palestinians.

You're a liar. The reality is Muslims speaking for Uighurs are the ones who actually care about Muslims suffering and don't shed crocodile tears like the majority do.

 

[Rasengan]

Pakistan is not a strategic ally of the US. This is a blunt lie. At best Pakistan and the US are convenient allies and the relationship is transactional.

China is a rising superpower and in order to contain this country the US has started a disgusting campaign to malign them. I would agree not everything is rosy in Xinjiang but this is the internal matter of China and we can advice them in private talks. We should only care about the national interests of Pakistan.

 

[fisher1]

1. Yes, happy happy life in China, god bless the communist government, we must sing praises of Xi Jinping. Nothing wrong at all with the fact that these re education camps are becoming larger, have watch towers, soldiers; all the Uighurs who managed to escape are probably CIA bots and robots; the fact how Chinese government narrative changed from denying their existence at first, and also still not letting unmonitored visits... yes, completely normal, in line behavior, nothing to see here.

2. Turkey and Malaysia, both, actually. Rest, like Pakistan, it's a concern of national interest. Malaysian Prime Minister is quite frank, and has said that, unfortunately, Malaysia is too small to deal with Uighurs issue, in an interview.

3. They should tell Imran Khan to kindly channel his reservations about Muslims treatment and persecution in other parts of the world, also by private channels, and not through tweets.

4. European immigration is also their internal matter. So is the Indian CAA an internal matter. So is the Rohingya issue, and so is the Israeli issue.

I will say this, human rights violations can never be called an internal issue. That's absurdity.

Lastly, won't argue any longer who keeps beating around the bush, when he knows clearly that Imran Khan is bsing extremely hypocritical here.

My opinion is still same, stop being the safe guardian of Muslims. Prime Minister of PAKISTAN, ministers of PAKISTAN... our interest should be Kashmir, Pakistan, and national interests of our allied states we know we can support on.

End of story.

I agree with this point of yours. Imran Khan should either speak up for every atrocities that's happening on Muslims and not be selective or just shut up and stop lecturing others on hypocrisy.

You can't feel sad for Muslims in land A and lose sleep over it but call it an internal issue of the oppressor in land B where the oppressor has helped you financially.

It just looks bad to the world and there's a reason every damn time he goes to Western world to lecture others on morality, he gets asked questions about Uighurs.

And no, it's not due to some conspiracy (saazish) against him.

 

[Dil_Pakistan]

Ok here's that interview..by the way should watch this video/IV as whole if have time...probably one of the best and better one by PMIK..The question comes at around 23.00 min mark..PM IK was extremely careful with his reply and wording here.. also notice how he quickly rephrases his words from "what is happening.." to "what is supposed to be happening..". So he keeps some space of how much it could be facts and how much western projected/propogated issue..

 

[Rasengan]

What a bunch of lies. I have spoken against India, America, Israel.

Let's see how you're a hypocrite.

Erdoğan spoke for Uighurs.
Erdoğan has spoken for Kashmiris and Palestinians.

Dr Zakir Naik has spoken for Uighurs.
Dr Zakir Naik has also spoken for Kashmiris, Palestinians.

You're a liar. The reality is Muslims speaking for Uighurs are the ones who actually care about Muslims suffering and don't shed crocodile tears like the majority do.

Who gives a flying hoot what Dr Zakir Naik thinks? I mean the punk was bold enough to claim the independence of Pakistan was a mistake. Erdogan last year in July said nothing was wrong in Xinjiang. Pakistan this time will rise economically without any interruption and the Prime Minister knows much more than a bunch of people who are sitting behind a computer never having visiting the region except for reading a few articles.

 

[Dalit]

1. Yes, happy happy life in China, god bless the communist government, we must sing praises of Xi Jinping. Nothing wrong at all with the fact that these re education camps are becoming larger, have watch towers, soldiers; all the Uighurs who managed to escape are probably CIA bots and robots; the fact how Chinese government narrative changed from denying their existence at first, and also still not letting unmonitored visits... yes, completely normal, in line behavior, nothing to see here.

2. Turkey and Malaysia, both, actually. Rest, like Pakistan, it's a concern of national interest. Malaysian Prime Minister is quite frank, and has said that, unfortunately, Malaysia is too small to deal with Uighurs issue, in an interview.

3. They should tell Imran Khan to kindly channel his reservations about Muslims treatment and persecution in other parts of the world, also by private channels, and not through tweets.

4. European immigration is also their internal matter. So is the Indian CAA an internal matter. So is the Rohingya issue, and so is the Israeli issue.

I will say this, human rights violations can never be called an internal issue. That's absurdity.

Lastly, won't argue any longer who keeps beating around the bush, when he knows clearly that Imran Khan is bsing extremely hypocritical here.

My opinion is still same, stop being the safe guardian of Muslims. Prime Minister of PAKISTAN, ministers of PAKISTAN... our interest should be Kashmir, Pakistan, and national interests of our allied states we know we can support on.

End of story.

There is no end of story here.

1. You are free to believe in Western propaganda against China. I believe that China has setup reintegration camps to educate an area that has long been neglected. Something that Pakistan should have done in FATA and Baluchistan long ago. Why do you blame China for tackling extremism?

2. Okay. You managed to mention two countries. Malaysia and Turkey. That is still not sizeable support for the Western camp. The vast majority of Islamic nations have actually stood by China.

3. Again, you are comparing apples with oranges. Uyghur issue is not an armed conflict, but primarily a fabricated and politically motivated issue. Kashmir issue is an armed conflict where 8 million people are caged and left to die. China is reintegrating Uyghur community with the rest of China. It makes perfect sense for Imran Khan to highlight Kashmir issue at every platform since these are grave huma rights abuses.

4. Again, comparing apples with oranges. The same answer applies as 3.

Uygur community is being asked to become mainstream and participate in China's economic boom. That is not oppression, but prosperity. If China is resorting to methods that violate human rights (highly unlikely), Pakistan has conveyed the message.

Instead of maligning your own government for whatever political disagreements you may have, for once learn to unify and support your country.

 

[fisher1]

Who gives a flying hoot what Dr Zakir Naik thinks? I mean the punk was bold enough to claim the independence of Pakistan was a mistake. Erdogan last year in July said nothing was wrong in Xinjiang. Pakistan this time will rise economically without any interruption and the Prime Minister knows much more than a bunch of people who are sitting behind a computer never having visiting the region except for reading a few articles.

He's a Muslim and he matters to millions of Muslims over the world, if not the billions.

Erdoğan changed his tune due to economic issues but it's clear where he stands. Turkey doesn't have a state policy to suppress anti-China news like Pakistan does.

The only country that will rise is China. I hope and pray to God i am wrong but i see Pakistan turning to Xinjiang and especially since Pakistanis are religiously inclined, we will be suffering the same fate as Uighurs.

There's also the matter of social credit score which is a big hit with Xi Jinping which he will definitely want to implement in Pakistan. Definitely not a good outlook

 

[Dalit]

China is a rising superpower and in order to contain this country the US has started a disgusting campaign to malign them. I would agree not everything is rosy in Xinjiang but this is the internal matter of China and we can advice them in private talks. We should only care about the national interests of Pakistan.

The Uyghur drama has suddenly come to the forefront out of the blue. Never before did we hear any concerns from the Western world regarding Uyghur community. Suddenly we hear that China is oppressing Muslims. The same Western nations that destroyed Iraq and so many other Islamic nations through war and deceit are today blaming China. It is a pathetic attempt to malign China.

There is a reason why the vast majority of Islamic nations actually support China instead of supporting Western accusations.

 

[313ghazi]

He's putting our national interest first, as he should.

 

[Lincoln]

There is no end of story here.

1. You are free to believe in Western propaganda against China. I believe that China has setup reintegration camps to educate an area that has long been neglected. Something that Pakistan should have done in FATA and Baluchistan long ago. Why do you blame China for tackling extremism?

2. Okay. You managed to mention two countries. Malaysia and Turkey. That is still not sizeable support for the Western camp. The vast majority of Islamic nations have actually stood by China.

3. Again, you are comparing apples with oranges. Uyghur issue is not an armed conflict, but primarily a fabricated and politically motivated issue. Kashmir issue is an armed conflict where 8 million people are caged and left to die. China is reintegrating Uyghur community with the rest of China. It makes perfect sense for Imran Khan to highlight Kashmir issue at every platform since these are grave huma rights abuses.

4. Again, comparing apples with oranges. The same answer applies as 3.

Uygur community is being asked to become mainstream and participate in China's economic boom. That is not oppression, but prosperity. If China is resorting to methods that violate human rights (highly unlikely), Pakistan has conveyed the message.

Instead of maligning your own government for whatever political disagreements you may have, for once learn to unify and support your country.

Your entire argument seems to be based around it being propaganda. If that's the case, answer these questions.

1. Why do these satellites show these re education camps with large walls, and watch towers?

2. Who are the thousands of Uighur refugees who have managed to escape to Turkic countries, as well as Northern Pakistan, and some to Australia. Are all these women, daughters, sons, parents, carrying pictures of their loved ones, simply bots?

3. Why China refuses to allow anyone to come and visit the camps in an eased, and uncontrolled environment? Very few news agencies have been given the opportunity, one was CNN. In it, they asked the guard inside about it and also were allowed to ask one of the persons being held captive inside; they said praying here is not allowed... the guard said that they can be held for an unknown long time, that religious stuff is not allowed, but he didn't consider it a prison...

4. Why did China initially deny their existence? They denied it for a damn long time.