Pakistani leader Imran Khan admitted he refuses to criticize China's treatment of its Uighur minorit

[KhanBaba2]

Exactly! The people who shed crocodile tears for Chinese Muslims dont utter a word for Yemeni, Irani, Syrian and Iraqi Muslims who have been killed or under punitive sanctions by their master the USA.

What a complete hypocrisy this concern for Chinese Muslims is.

It is OK to be a hypocrite as everyone is a hypocrite.

 

[beijingwalker]

Iran condemns US’ meddling in China’s affairs
6 December 2019 - 13:10

TEHRAN, Dec. 06 (MNA) – Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Seyyed Abbas Mousavi slammed a recent bill adopted in the US House of Representatives against China.

“With a disgraceful record in genocide of indigenous people, black slavery and massacres of civilians, as well as the killing of Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine and Yemen, and the pardoning of war criminals, America is the least qualified to comment on ethnicity, races and Muslims,” Mousavi said on Friday.

The remark came as the US House of Representatives approved a bill that requires President Trump to toughen response to Xinjiang, where Washington claims China is holding re-education camps for Muslims.

“Repeating such blatant violations against the principles of the international law is just stressing the fact that interfering in internal affairs of other countries has become a tenet of America’s anti-normative foreign policy,” added Mousavi.

Condemning the recent measure taken by the US Congress against China, Mousavi warned the international community against threats of such behaviors that endanger global peace and stability.

The spokesman also called on independent countries to react to uncontrolled US behavior and unilateralism.

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/153081/Iran-condemns-US-meddling-in-China-s-affairs

If this is not support, I don't know what is a support, actually Pakistan govenment never unequivocally supported China over Xinjiang like many Muslim countries did.

 

[War Thunder]

Well, look at that. If this isn't admission of guilt then i don't know what is. He's admitting he won't criticise because China has helped us but that doesn't mean it's not happening. And i am vocal about Kashmir because it affects Pakistan. Uighurs doesn't affect Pakistan so i don't care.

Don't worry my Uighurs brothers. You've God on your side. Nobody will fight for you but that doesn't mean you're helpless.

Look at the panic and fear the Chinese have over a itty bitty Wuhan virus. The same Chinese that arrogantly called Islam a virus are actually suffering from a virus. Comical.

Tyranny gets punished!

@PAKISTANFOREVER here's your evidence.

@Dubious @Itachi @Petrichor @War Thunder Look at this, friends. I don't know how much more clear can IK can be. Our religious minister also condemned it, i didn't know that.

And people refer to him as some stronk leader.
Strong leaders are not hypocrite nor shackled by "masleehat".
Carry the bone to stand up and speak up for what is right, or wait to be replaced by the Almighty.

Our so called leaders and dumb men depend on people to get help instead of the Almighty. Same reason their veins are overflowing with consumption and propagation of ribba (interest).

Xinjiang is not some disputed territory with another nation.

There are millions of Uighurs in China. If they needed help, they would've approached Pakistan and other Muslim nations or at least organised some resistance in China.

Pakistan can't be expected to peddle anti-China propaganda just because some countries are allergic to China's rise as a global Super Power.

Do you see any logic in your post?
But then again, you are the same person who routinely favors the corrupt thugs so expecting logic from you is out of the question.

 

[beijingwalker]

Not a single Muslim government speaks it against China in UN Assembly just a short while ago, not even Turkey Erdogan when he was giving a very lengthy speech. why you guys want Pakistan government to do so?

 

[python-000]

Not a single Muslim government speaks it against China in UN Assembly just a short while ago, not even Turkey Erdogan when he was giving a very lengthy speech. why you guys want Pakistan government to do so?

Because they want to detached both of us from each other some how why don't they talk about indian Muslims or Kashmir...

 

[dBSPL]

A little off topic and sorry for that: Obviously im not interested with what the government leaders are saying. The part I am interested in is what people think. Because sooner or later the peoples determine the will of every type states. Also, I am not interested in ideologies or populist influences, the only thing I am interested in is how our future will shape. We do not expect that Pakistan state fully take position in favor of "any Turks" in "any issue" near future. We are aware of the balances. However, there is a emerging lack of empathy between Turkey-Pakistan nations which is more worrisome. The most important feature of success in international relations is knowing the way of thinking of others and effects of your related actions to the countries and nations you influence.

As far as we can see from TR: important part of Pakistanis, who have taken an attitude even ahead of the Chinese here and on many social media; regarded all of the systematic assimilation activities applied to the Uighurs as a propaganda activity originating from the USA. And mostly they were conveying their thoughts in a careless language. Maybe they make a positive impression in East. But - maybe - even not aware they're definitely start to creating an allergy which never happened before between Pakistan and Turkey.

I can tell you this situation goes where: Some public opinions* in Turkey getting stronger day by day, if the situation rises with this momentum, i dnt think any government of Turkey can not show any courage of public statements about Kashmir (or any area where Pakistan expect international support) issue in near future. Because both opposition and power sub-groups will raise their voices with counter questions. As we see in Syria or Hamas/El Fetih/Israel or Egypt polemics today... Maybe traditional Pakistan policy could continues abroad, but it cannot stay in proactive action position. As the two peoples move away from each other, the structure of the relations between the two countries will remain under the control of other countries. I respect all kinds of ideas. We are Pakistan's volunteer envoyers in every environment in Turkey, but still in minority. I hope you understand me. My only wish, please adopt always sensitive and careful aproach.

*-Majority of TR want to see that re-establishing of Turkey's foreign policy based on its interests only. What constitutes this psychology has been a very long story since the old state and sometimes in republic history it was applied too... But the mistakes of the current government -between 2003 and 2016- have made this as unpostponable situation no longer in the public's understanding. We will most likely see the results of this in the next election.

 

[PradoTLC]

Ok here's that interview..by the way should watch this video/IV as whole if have time...probably one of the best and better one by PMIK..The question comes at around 23.00 min mark..PM IK was extremely careful with his reply and wording here.. also notice how he quickly rephrases his words from "what is happening.." to "what is supposed to be happening..". So he keeps some space of how much it could be facts and how much western projected/propogated issue..

seriously since when do german really care about muslims???

 

[beijingwalker]

A little off topic and sorry for that: Obviously im not interested with what the government leaders are saying. The part I am interested in is what people think. Because sooner or later the peoples determine the will of every type states. Also, I am not interested in ideologies or populist influences, the only thing I am interested in is how our future will shape. We do not expect that Pakistan state fully take position in favor of "any Turks" in "any issue" near future. We are aware of the balances. However, there is a emerging lack of empathy between Turkey-Pakistan nations which is more worrisome. The most important feature of success in international relations is knowing the way of thinking of others and effects of your related actions to the countries and nations you influence.

As far as we can see from TR: important part of Pakistanis, who have taken an attitude even ahead of the Chinese here and on many social media; regarded all of the systematic assimilation activities applied to the Uighurs as a propaganda activity originating from the USA. And mostly they were conveying their thoughts in a careless language. Maybe they make a positive impression in East. But - maybe - even not aware they're definitely start to creating an allergy which never happened before between Pakistan and Turkey.

I can tell you this situation goes where: Some public opinions* in Turkey getting stronger day by day, if the situation rises with this momentum, i dnt think any government of Turkey can not show any courage of public statements about Kashmir (or any area where Pakistan expect international support) issue in near future. Because both opposition and power sub-groups will raise their voices with counter questions. As we see in Syria or Hamas/El Fetih/Israel or Egypt polemics today... Maybe traditional Pakistan policy could continues abroad, but it cannot stay in proactive action position. As the two peoples move away from each other, the structure of the relations between the two countries will remain under the control of other countries. I respect all kinds of ideas. We are Pakistan's volunteer envoyers in every environment in Turkey, but still in minority. I hope you understand me. My only wish, please adopt always sensitive and careful aproach.

*-Majority of TR want to see that re-establishing of Turkey's foreign policy based on its interests only. What constitutes this psychology has been a very long story since the old state and sometimes in republic history it was applied too... But the mistakes of the current government -between 2003 and 2016- have made this as unpostponable situation no longer in the public's understanding. We will most likely see the results of this in the next election.

Do you mean in order to keep a good friendship with Turkey, Pakistan should alienate and even attack China? The country accounts for one fifth of the humanity, Pakistan's only friendly neighor and biggest supporter in both international politics , economy and military ?
A true friend will never ask another friend to commit suicide for them. China never asked Pakistan to alienate Turkey or any other countries for China.

 

[SIPRA]

Do you mean in order to keep a good friendship with Turkey, Pakistan should alienate and even attack China? The country accounts for one fifth of the humanity, Pakistan's only friendly neighor and biggest supporter in both international politics , economy and military ?
A true friend will never ask another friend to commit suicide for them. China never asked Pakistan to alienate Turkey or any other countries for China.

Totally agree.

 

[beijingwalker]

Many Turkish here don't like Pakistan close relations with China, KSA, UAE.. but those countries are the only who really help Pakistan when Pakistan is in need, and not in the form of lip service or "moral support".

PM Khan thanks Saudi Arabia, China and UAE for financial assistance
https://www.arabnews.pk/node/1509801/pakistan

 

[dBSPL]

Do you mean in order to keep a good friendship with Turkey, Pakistan should alienate and even attack China? The country accounts for one fifth of the humanity, Pakistan's only friendly neighor and biggest supporter in both international politics , economy and military ?
A true friend will never ask another friend to commit suicide for them. China never asked Pakistan to alienate Turkey or any other countries for China.

I clearly explained the situation above. Turkey supports China's territorial integrity, like as Pakistan. Please do not manipulate what I write. What I am talking about is not Pakistan's conflict of any country. I tried to show the public's reflex in Turkey and we can overcome from this situation by creating a more careful aproaches and definitions. actually im not saying anyting about leaders level, but peoples. Because what I wrote above is happening.

Btw, I strongly disagree that China is the only global mainstay for Pakistan, today or tomorrow. In addition, the way you deal with the subject and the question you ask shows your actual purpose. Pakistan, Turkey friendship is a factor in China's favor. However, you evaluate the situation from a very wrong perspective.

 

[beijingwalker]

I clearly explained the situation above. Turkey supports China's territorial integrity, like as Pakistan. Please do not manipulate what I write. What I am talking about is not Pakistan's conflict of any country. I tried to show the public's reflex in Turkey and we can overcome from this situation by creating a more careful aproaches and definitions. actually im not saying anyting about leaders level, but peoples. Because what I wrote above is happening.

Btw, I strongly disagree that China is the only global mainstay for Pakistan, today or forever. In addition, the way you deal with the subject and the question you ask shows your actual purpose. Why should Pakistan have to make a choice, i dont understand that...

What do you exactly want Pakistan to do? China never asked Pakistan to make a choice between China and Turkey, it's indeed what many Turkish members here are trying to do.

 

[Beast]

He can jump off a bridge for all I care. He insulted Pakistan when he said our existence was a mistake which makes him an enemy. Look at the punk now running with his tail behind his legs.

You can't use Erdogan when he has changed his stance. Stick to the present situation rather than living in the past. Turkey supports China on the issue of the Uyghurs and now you want Pakistan to play the lone wolf in a issue which isn't clear to the rest of the world but is peddled by America who has an agenda against the China.

Foreign policy is based upon pragmatism and not emotional actions. IK and his Govt will convey their message privately. @Beast Give us your opinion.

OP is just an agent bent on driving wedges between China and Pakistan. Is there more to say? Look at his area of interest/post/thread in this forum and u will know his motive. Standing up for the right of Muslim is secondary.

 

[Lincoln]

A little off topic and sorry for that: Obviously im not interested with what the government leaders are saying. The part I am interested in is what people think. Because sooner or later the peoples determine the will of every type states. Also, I am not interested in ideologies or populist influences, the only thing I am interested in is how our future will shape. We do not expect that Pakistan state fully take position in favor of "any Turks" in "any issue" near future. We are aware of the balances. However, there is a emerging lack of empathy between Turkey-Pakistan nations which is more worrisome. The most important feature of success in international relations is knowing the way of thinking of others and effects of your related actions to the countries and nations you influence.

As far as we can see from TR: important part of Pakistanis, who have taken an attitude even ahead of the Chinese here and on many social media; regarded all of the systematic assimilation activities applied to the Uighurs as a propaganda activity originating from the USA. And mostly they were conveying their thoughts in a careless language. Maybe they make a positive impression in East. But - maybe - even not aware they're definitely start to creating an allergy which never happened before between Pakistan and Turkey.

I can tell you this situation goes where: Some public opinions* in Turkey getting stronger day by day, if the situation rises with this momentum, i dnt think any government of Turkey can not show any courage of public statements about Kashmir (or any area where Pakistan expect international support) issue in near future. Because both opposition and power sub-groups will raise their voices with counter questions. As we see in Syria or Hamas/El Fetih/Israel or Egypt polemics today... Maybe traditional Pakistan policy could continues abroad, but it cannot stay in proactive action position. As the two peoples move away from each other, the structure of the relations between the two countries will remain under the control of other countries. I respect all kinds of ideas. We are Pakistan's volunteer envoyers in every environment in Turkey, but still in minority. I hope you understand me. My only wish, please adopt always sensitive and careful aproach.

*-Majority of TR want to see that re-establishing of Turkey's foreign policy based on its interests only. What constitutes this psychology has been a very long story since the old state and sometimes in republic history it was applied too... But the mistakes of the current government -between 2003 and 2016- have made this as unpostponable situation no longer in the public's understanding. We will most likely see the results of this in the next election.

Quite frankly, it is then something we cannot do much about.

Simply said, the smarter people will realize the dependency of Pakistan at the moment, just like the dependency of Turkey on NATO and US before 2000.

Edit: and where possible, the public has supported Turkey. Most important case; NTRC. Most recent case; Operation Peace Spring. Both in international forum officially, and on social media by hashtag #TurkeyJustKilledTerrorists.

If people can't see that, then we don't care. As for Pakistan, I would say a large number now know about the Uighur issue, even on this forum half believe it and half don't. In most influential urdu youtube channels run to appease far rightist portions of community, it is brought up. However, yes, the ones who don't believe in the Uighur issue try very, very hard to dismiss it - it's the ones who believe in having an Islamic Republic, reason is because they can't come to the terms with the fact that Pakistan being an Islamic Republic is showing selective hypocrisy on a genuinely large case of Muslims persecution, for money.

 

[Beast]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/china-chides-us-for-interfering-in-sino-pak-ties.650790/