Pakistani FM Hina Rabbani avoids Bangladeshi FM Momen’s call to seek apology for 1971 genocide at Colombo

[M. Sarmad]

Bengal Subah not only used to represent 50% of Mughal gdp but also used to represent 10-12% of world’s gdp. 60% of Indo subcontinents trade used to be carried out from Bengal Subah to the outside world. No doubt it was the largest of the economy in Indo subcontinent and that’s why all the foreign powers set up trade post in Bengal. The period we are referring is later part of 17th century and early to mid part of 18th century not 16th century as you have quoted. For example Dhaka as a city is founded just 400 years ago. It’s only Mysore under Haider Ali and Tipu Sultan overtaken Bengal Subah GDP to be the largest Indo subcontinent GDP.

Well, it took Abul Fazal 13 years to compile Ain-i-Akbari and he began his work in 1590. So, Ain-i-Akbari is the official record of early seventeenth century Mughal Empire. Mughals lost control of Bengal in the early 18th century. Until and unless you have some official records/documents to backup your claim that Bengal, 3 times poorer than Punjab in the early seventeenth century Mughal empire, went on to become the richest province producing as much as 50% of entire GDP of the Mughal Empire (and upto 12% of the entire world) in just less than 50 years, your claim cannot be accepted.

As for international trade, unlike modern times, it constituted a very small part of the GDP back in the seventeenth century. So, please tell us, what, according to you, made Bengal so rich in just 50 years ?

And please provide the original/primary source for the ridiculous numbers you are quoting here

BD potential is FAR HIGHER than Pakistan and we shall see the results as early as the mid-2030s.

We, unlike you, are an independent nation who refuse to accept Indian/Hindu hegemony. No comparison

 

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Musharraf did so in his visit to BD. You can look up what he wrote and it was as remorseful and forward looking as you will get from a Pakistani.

It seems a written apology is even not accepted by Bangladesh.
But if they are still demanding that, sure, I am pretty okie with Pakistan explicitly apologizing for the atrocities occured in war and the period before it while I would also like Bangladesh to apologize for treachery of breaking up from their motherland, colluding with an enemy nation who they themselves fought war with in 65, the atrocities done by their side specially Biharis . lying with the 3 million and other figures and most importantly, apologizing to themselves for becoming a vassal state of India.
In terms of their FM who represent the foreign relations of the state:

India and Bangladesh are like 'husband and wife' - Foreign Minister Momen

I thought we are brothers. :P :enjoy: ভারতের সঙ্গে বাংলাদেশের সম্পর্ক ‘স্বামী-স্ত্রী’র মতো টিবিটি আন্তর্জাতিক ডেস্ক ফেব্রুয়ারি ১৬, ২০১৯ | ২০:৫১:অপরাহ্ণ | আপডেট: ২০:৫২:অপরাহ্ণ পররাষ্ট্রমন্ত্রী ড. এ. কে. আব্দুল মোমেন। ফাইল ছবি SHARES ভারত ও বাংলাদেশের সম্পর্ককে ‘স্বামী-স্ত্রীর মতো’ বলে...

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Independent or not, for majority of Pakistanis, you are our brethren and fellow brothers.

 

[UKBengali]

We, unlike you, are an independent nation who refuse to accept Indian/Hindu hegemony. No comparison

Is this the same "independent" nation that had its government recently replaced by the US?

BD publicly told US to mind its own business and get its own house in order before lecturing others on human rights.

We do not think that India is capable of dictating to anyone and currently busy bringing back our economic hegemony over the regions around our independent state - Bengal, NE States, Nepal and Bhutan are being pulled into our economic orbit. One day Arakhan will join them as being BD satellite economies feeding their central engine.

 

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Is this the same "independent" nation that had its government recently replaced by the US?

atleast we don't ask for help from the same enemy we defended and fought against 6 yrs back to gain independence unlike BD. Sure, wrong was done to you, but that doesn't call one to become a traitor.

 

[Black_cats]

Well, it took Abul Fazal 13 years to compile Ain-i-Akbari and he began his work in 1590. So, Ain-i-Akbari is the official record of early seventeenth century Mughal Empire. Mughals lost control of Bengal in the early 18th century. Until and unless you have some official records/documents to backup your claim that Bengal, 3 times poorer than Punjab in the early seventeenth century Mughal empire, went on to become the richest province producing as much as 50% of entire GDP of the Mughal Empire (and upto 12% of the entire world) in just less than 50 years, your claim cannot be accepted.

As for international trade, unlike modern times, it constituted a very small part of the GDP back in the seventeenth century. So, please tell us, what, according to you, made Bengal so rich in just 50 years ?

And please provide the original/primary source for the ridiculous numbers you are quoting here



We, unlike you, are an independent nation who refuse to accept Indian/Hindu hegemony. No comparison

I already explained you why it had become rich. Bengal Subah was the trading post with which 60% of Indo subcontinents trade used to be carried out with outside world. That prompted many wealthy businessman’s to come and settle down here.

The eastern part of Bengal was globally prominent in industries such as textile manufacturing and shipbuilding,[10] and it was a major exporter of silk and cotton textiles, steel, saltpeter, and agricultural and industrial produce in the world.

Let alone Punjab, just the capital Murshidabad was richer than UK at that time.

It alone accounted for 40% of Dutch imports from Asia.

Punjab was no where close to it.

Some Google search will give you enough resources on that. It’s just Mysore was able to overtake Bengal in late 18th century. The reason was it became a major trading post. Compared to that Punjab was not known as a global trading post nor foreigners shown interest to set up their trading post there.

Mughal lost Bengal in 1757 not early part of 18th century.

Bengal Subah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

History of Bengal Subah – HiSoUR – Hi So You Are

www.hisour.com

 

[UKBengali]

atleast we don't ask for help from the same enemy we defended and fought against 6 yrs back to gain independence unlike BD. Sure, wrong was done to you, but that doesn't call one to become a traitor.

I have said this before.

BD and Pakistan as one state was just dumb. Totally different culture and 1000 miles separation.

Best thing would have been for "Greater Bengal" composed of BD, Bengal, NE States and Arakhan province but that did not happen due to resistance from Congress.

Pakistan should have been its own separate state with all of Kashmir included.

I am sure if this had happened S Asia as a whole would be a lot wealthier and developed now.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I already explained you why it had become rich. Bengal Subah was the trading post with which 60% of Indo subcontinents trade used to be carried out with outside world. That prompted many wealthy businessman’s to come and settle down here.

The eastern part of Bengal was globally prominent in industries such as textile manufacturing and shipbuilding,[10] and it was a major exporter of silk and cotton textiles, steel, saltpeter, and agricultural and industrial produce in the world.

Let alone Punjab, just the capital Murshidabad was richer than UK at that time.

It alone accounted for 40% of Dutch imports from Asia.

Punjab was no where close to it.

Some Google search will give you enough resources on that. It’s just Mysore was able to overtake Bengal in late 18th century. The reason was it became a major trading post. Compared to that Punjab was not known as a global trading post nor foreigners shown interest to set up their trading post there.

Mughal lost Bengal in 1757 not early part of 18th century.

Bengal Subah - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

History of Bengal Subah – HiSoUR – Hi So You Are

www.hisour.com

So, you accept you have no primary source to backup those ridiculous figures ... And I guess that should conclude this discussion

Is this the same "independent" nation that had its government recently replaced by the US?

BD publicly told US to mind its own business and get its own house in order before lecturing others on human rights.

We do not think that India is capable of dictating to anyone and currently busy bringing back our economic hegemony over the regions around our independent state - Bengal, NE States, Nepal and Bhutan are being pulled into our economice orbit. One day Arakhan will join them as being BD satellite economies feeding their central engine.

That's rich coming from the citizen of an Indian vassal state ..

 

[UKBengali]

So, you accept you have no primary source to backup those ridiculous figures ... And I guess that should conclude this discussion

What are you trying to argue here?


Pakistan has been independent since 1947 and has a GDP per capita of 1700 US dollars nominal

BD has been independent since 1947 and has a GDP per capita of 2700 US dollars nominal

The average growth rate of per capita for BD is running at 6% a year and only 2% a year for Pakistan.

We can see what actual potential each country has now that they both have had a minimum of 50 years of independence.

 

[delta2]

BD potential is FAR HIGHER than Pakistan and we shall see the results as early as the mid-2030s.

Bangladesh did not, and cannot, fight two long wars where the two back-to-back super powere were/are involved.

Pakistan went through massive turmoil in the last 20 years. Bangladesh wouldn't last a week under a pressure like that.

 

[TheSolution]

BD potential is FAR HIGHER than Pakistan and we shall see the results as early as the mid-2030s.

It's good to have pride in your country but you're drinking too much of your own cool aid.

Several times trying to prove how Bengalis are some superior subcontinent breed

Pakistan with competent governance unlike now would would likely do much better or roughly the same.

 

[delta2]

BD potential is FAR HIGHER than Pakistan and we shall see the results as early as the mid-2030s.

Besides, now that pressure has begun to subside from Pakistan and things will heat up in the South China Sea, we will see how well Bangladesh does.

The USSR was engaged, handled and ultimately withdrew from Pakistan's immediate neighborhood. The USA was handled too albiet a bit differently. The friction that resulted from that will also subside over time.

The South China Sea is where the Quad's naval fleet will face a histoelrical defeat.

 

[UKBengali]

It's good to have pride in your country but you're drinking too much of your own cool aid.

Several times trying to prove how Bengalis are some superior subcontinent breed

Pakistan with competent governance unlike now would would likely do much better or roughly the same.

When is this government going to come into existence dude?

It has been 76 years since independence and Pakistan has only managed a maximum average of 3.5% per annum per capita growth in the 1980s. BD did 6% last decade and this is only going upwards.

 

[Black_cats]

So, you accept you have no primary source to backup those ridiculous figures ... And I guess that should conclude this discussion


That's rich coming from the citizen of an Indian vassal state ..

What ridiculous figure that appeared to you? I shared you the wiki link of the Bengal Subah where you can see plenty of economic information. If you look at Mughal Empure economy it hardly mention anything about Punjab as it didn’t have much significance compared to Bengal. It was a major economical and industrial base of Subcontinent and used to control 60% trade to outside world. I already gave you reference to that above. That attracted wealthy merchants and businessman from all across Indo subcontinent to come and settle here. Wealthy merchants and administrative people of Safavid Empire as well came and settle down here.

Why do you think British, Dutch, French set their trade post in Bengal not in mighty Punjab? Was that even an industrial hub?

For your reference to Abul Fazal 13 years to compile Ain-i-Akbari doesn’t give the actual picture of Bengal as the region just merged into Mughal after two major wars with heavy casualties at 1576. Naturally after war for some time a region do poorly and the new administration need time to have a solid base prior collecting enough taxes.

Battle of Tukaroi:

Battle of Tukaroi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Battle of Rajmahal:

Battle of Rajmahal - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh doesn't need Pakistan as a bogeyman to SURVIVE. Bangladesh is already surviving without Pakistan and thriving. No further discussion is required.

Say, what you want, but BD is surviving by creating a Husband- Wife relationship with India. It can be reversed if a Master-Master relationship is formed with Pakistan.

Now,BAL cronies would come out in unison against equal relationship.

I avoided talking about triangular military equation because you are not particularly apt at this.

as bangladesh? yes it does. bangali nationalism is something different. bangladesh as a nation state does.


lol, what an idiot.

also, your awami league had a part in destruction of pakistani businessmen, you grabbed all the adamjees and others factories.

The BAL party ignorant keeps on talking about Adamjee mills belong to that party. No wonder all the mills have been destroyed by the new Owners from the BAL party.

 

[bluesky]

The civilian government apology doesn't matter much if the killings are done by the Army. The military dictator Yahya khan was the chief martial law admin. and president.

So it was an Army action the op. search light, and civilians were kept in the dark on the western side.

People here are just waking up to the reality of the modus operandi of the Mil-Inc. and Establishment working.

And the killings by Mukti Bahni and the Bengali Razakars of non Bengalis, Biharis and govt. servants of ethnicity other than bengalis matches the Army killings.

As per reports Hindu Bengalis who were supporting India incurison were killed mostly, and the Mukti Bahni was all trained, supported and provided arms by India, reading the Agartala Conspiracy reveals it.

Yours is a too simplification of the 1971 events. Please ask who are responsible for the army crackdown.

Every other thing that followed are because of this crackdown.