Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

[Ahmet Pasha]

Dont remember very clearly. But not too long ago I read news right here on PDF that PN was looking at other proposals foreign and domestic too. Could've been false tho. Not too sure

hmmm... I wonder where that leaves the PN mini-SSK. STM said they submitted the design proposal, but the last we heard of the mini-SSK was in the 16-17 MoDP report.

 

[Gryphon]

Havelsan also takes part in the production and delivery of the GENESIS-based Combat Management System (CMS), which will be used in four Jinnah Class Corvettes built for the Pakistan Navy. Havelsan engineers are currently working on an improved version of the system. The Jinnah Class Corvettes will accommodate a number of differences in weapon and sensor equipment compared to the ADA Class Corvettes, therefore, the GENESIS-based CMS to be installed on the ships requires a number of modifications and updates for the integration of new sensor and weapon systems. The ships will be equipped with the SMART-S Mk2 3D Search Radar and include LY-80/HHQ-16 Medium-Range Air Defence Missile System and C802 Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles. For the integration of these new Chinese weapon systems into the vessels, the necessary Interface Control Documents (ICDs) must be shared with Havelsan. As of February 2019, the negotiations with Chinese officials on this issue were continuing.



Excerpt from:

Turkish Defence Industry Displays its Muscles During | defenceturkey.com
by İbrahim SÜNNETCİ

 

[khanasifm]

Just curious if smart-s is going to be on pn Turkish vessels than why not 054a/p as turkey is producing it locally and exporting it as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART-S

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?view=article&id=750


SR2410C 3D Multifunctional Radar

SR2410C 3D multifunctional radar is a modular, highly reliable, countermeasure-resistant, medium-range air and surface surveillance system.

The Beijing-based China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company (CSOC) promoted SR2410C, a new phased array radar at the LIMA 2017 exhibition.

According to the Chinese language news cjdby, the radar is a fully coherent three-dimensional phased array S-band radar capable of fully automatic detection, track initiation, and classification of various types of targets. Even under severe clutter conditions encountered in the littoral, it detects and tracks with a particular emphasis on small, fast and low-flying aircraft, missiles, hovering helicopters and asymmetric threats. This ensures minimal operator workload and maximises operational effectiveness analogous to the Thales SMART-S MK2 radar.

The radar’s anti-jamming capabilities include resistance to narrowband and broadband active jamming. Other electronic countermeasures include constant false alarm mode, digital pulse compression plus it has a low side lobe.

Richard Fisher, vice president of the Washington-based International Assessment and Strategy Center said that the radar is clearly designed to add another layer of medium and point surveillance defence capability for surface ships.

According to the CSOC brochure, the radar can track up to 150 targets per rotation. Limitations include air targets over Mach 3 and at ranges of more than 150km. The radar has a fire control capability to track missiles, but only at a maximum range of 60km. It is also capable of tracking moving ground vehicles and surface ships. It is capable to complete the task of identifying friend and foes.

The radar can be mounted on a vehicle or a littoral combat ship such as type 056 Corvette. The radar has been installed on Bangladesh Navy’s type 056 Corvette – BNS Shongram and BNS Prottasha. The SR2410C radar is fully compatible with shipboard missile systems such as FM-3000.

 

[khanasifm]

In tres ting

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In tres ting

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This kind of confirms that the HHQ-16 issue isn't 100% settled, it says at the end that negotiations with the Chinese are still continuing. So, if the Chinese said "no," then the PN will have to look at the Aster-15, CAMM or Umkhonto.

 

[LKJ86]

This kind of confirms that the HHQ-16 issue isn't 100% settled, it says at the end that negotiations with the Chinese are still continuing. So, if the Chinese said "no," then the PN will have to look at the Aster-15, CAMM or Umkhonto.

There is no so-called HHQ-16.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

There is no so-called HHQ-16.

HQ-16/LY-80

 

[aliaselin]

Just curious if smart-s is going to be on pn Turkish vessels than why not 054a/p as turkey is producing it locally and exporting it as well

SMART-s is a low end 3D radar with 16 antenna composed of travelling wave tube, in which 12 independent elevation beams are produced, after which DFFT processing and automatic tracking is carried out.
https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/07.naval/karte007.en.html
While SR2410C is an AESA radar composed of TR units, 2 generation ahead of SMART-S

 

[ziaulislam]

This kind of confirms that the HHQ-16 issue isn't 100% settled, it says at the end that negotiations with the Chinese are still continuing. So, if the Chinese said "no," then the PN will have to look at the Aster-15, CAMM or Umkhonto.

its probable that china will not share codes..its a trend we have been seeing

unless it allowed Pakistan to licence manufacture this weapon/SAM..
i am seeing less and less of that trend of recent years

good news is there are ample of other options available

 

[khanasifm]

SMART-s is a low end 3D radar with 16 antenna composed of travelling wave tube, in which 12 independent elevation beams are produced, after which DFFT processing and automatic tracking is carried out.
https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/07.naval/karte007.en.html
While SR2410C is an AESA radar composed of TR units, 2 generation ahead of SMART-S

There is mk2 version which is latest

 

[aliaselin]

There is mk2 version which is latest

Latest but with old outdated technology. Even MK2 has only 12 beams, which means it still use travelling wave tube
http://www.thales7seas.com/html5/pr...eet_SMART-S_Mk2_DS116_10_10_H_nw_stijl_HR.pdf

 

[khanasifm]

Latest but with old outdated technology. Even MK2 has only 12 beams, which means it still use travelling wave tube
http://www.thales7seas.com/html5/pr...eet_SMART-S_Mk2_DS116_10_10_H_nw_stijl_HR.pdf

Than why get it on Turkish version and why is turkey putting it on their version??

 

[aliaselin]

Than why get it on Turkish version and why is turkey putting it on their version??

I don't know. Maybe because travelling wave tube is much cheaper than GaAs or GaN T/R units.

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey is evaluating to integrate ÇafRad Lite X band non rotating ÇFR AESA radar to I class frigates but there is not a given decision yet.

 

[Tank131]

Italian defense chief was in Pakistan and held discussions with PN. Could CAMM or CAMM-ER have come up? Personally i think CAMM is the most ideal for PN. If they can get it, i would put the F-22P through a genesis upgrade of sorts with SMART S mk2 and get an 8-12 cell sylver A50 and quad pack CAMM into that and Jinnah class. That would give 64 missiles of 60km range for Jinnah and 32-48 for F-22P. BOTH would then exceed the amti-air capability of the Type 054A.