Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

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The PN currently has four MILGEM corvettes on order, with all four ships due for delivery to the PN by 2023-2024. Construction of the first ship will last 54 months, but the remaining three ships will follow the first in quicker succession, i.e., at six-month intervals of one another (ASFAT A.S).

Under the contract, which was signed in 2018, two of the ships will be built in Turkey, while the remaining two in Pakistan. Pakistan will also receive “complete transfer of technology and the transfer of intellectual property rights for the design of these ships.”

The fourth ship was to be a new frigate class (i.e., Jinnah-class) jointly designed by the primary contractor, ASFAT A.S. (Military Factories and Shipyards Management Inc), and Pakistan’s Maritime Technologies Complex (MTC). However, it appears that the new frigate design will apply to all four ships.

During AMAN-19, the Pakistan Navy’s biennial multi-national exercise, the PN Chief of Naval Staff (CNS), Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi, reportedly outlined that the PN’s MILGEMs will be equipped with the Chinese HQ-16 surface-to-air missile (SAM) system through a 16-cell vertical launch system (VLS).

The VLS will be installed at the fore of the ship, behind the main gun. In addition, the PN’s MILGEMs will deploy a modified version of the GENESIS combat management system (CMS).

The PN MILGEMs will also deploy an “indigenously developed missile system,” which could be the Harba subsonic dual-anti-ship cruising missile (ASCM) and land-attack cruise missile (LACM). However, the most recent Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) report also disclosed the development of a new supersonic missile for the PN, so the PN’s MILGEMs may deploy something other than the Harba ASCM/LACM as well.

The CNS did not specify if the inclusion of VLS was limited to solely the fourth ship, implying that all four MILGEM ships will be configured along identical lines. One indication for this change could be that in 2016, the PN was expected to procure four MILGEM Ada corvettes configured along similar lines to the Turkish Navy’s ships at $1 billion US. However, the deal is now reportedly worth $1.5 billion US.

The PN’s forthcoming Type 054A/P frigates will also deploy the HQ-16 but through 32 VLS cells. All four Type 054A/Ps are due by 2021. Interestingly, the Pakistan Army also inducted the HQ-16/LY-80, which shows that there is a measure of commonality between the Navy and Army on SAMs.

The Jinnah-class corvette/light frigate is a fully multi-mission design. The HQ-16/LY-80 — which could have a range of 40 km or, if the PN opts for the newer configuration, 70 km – provides anti-air warfare (AAW) coverage. In addition, the Harba ASCM/LACM would provide long-range anti-shipping and stand-off range land-attack capability. If the Jinnah-class arrives by the time the PN deploys its supersonic missile (which is likely to be an ASCM), it could have a varied – and difficult to stop – anti-shipping load-out as well.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...tte-under-construction-for-pakistan-navy.html

Im excited about the new supersonic CM. But we should also do some R&D on hypersonic vehicles too. World is changing rapidly and even hypersonic missiles are the future.

@HRK. Any progress on Advanced MLRS MODP yearbook mentioned?

 

[HRK]

@HRK. Any progress on Advanced MLRS MODP yearbook mentioned?

not in my knowledge .... but its almost 3 years from the time of announcement so the chances are they are not disclosing the progress .... as per their age old customs

 

[DrWatson775]

This kind of confirms that the HHQ-16 issue isn't 100% settled, it says at the end that negotiations with the Chinese are still continuing. So, if the Chinese said "no," then the PN will have to look at the Aster-15, CAMM or Umkhonto.

Chinese reluctance may be due to pressure from the US during trade talks - asking to limit proliferation of technology.

 

[Rafi]

Im excited about the new supersonic CM. But we should also do some R&D on hypersonic vehicles too. World is changing rapidly and even hypersonic missiles are the future.

@HRK. Any progress on Advanced MLRS MODP yearbook mentioned?

Yes, we should be hearing some good news on this project in the next year or so. Only if they don't want to hold back for a surprise.

 

[Tank131]

Chinese reluctance may be due to pressure from the US during trade talks - asking to limit proliferation of technology.

Unlikely. Hq-16 will already be in PN aboard the Type 054A/P. Beyond this the Pak Army already operates this missile. And lastly the is zero ground breaking tech on the HQ-16. The US has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with China not wanting to share source codes with a competitor which would then have to integrate the missiles on the MILGEM, especially when that competitor is in NATO. It is the same reasons that they didnt allow the source codes for SD-10 to be integrated into a western radar for JF-17. You want their munitions, then you need their tech and missiles. US does the same thing with a few countries that are granted exceptions.

 

[monitor]

Unlikely. Hq-16 will already be in PN aboard the Type 054A/P. Beyond this the Pak Army already operates this missile. And lastly the is zero ground breaking tech on the HQ-16. The US has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with China not wanting to share source codes with a competitor which would then have to integrate the missiles on the MILGEM, especially when that competitor is in NATO. It is the same reasons that they didnt allow the source codes for SD-10 to be integrated into a western radar for JF-17. You want their munitions, then you need their tech and missiles. US does the same thing with a few countries that are granted exceptions.

So basically you can't have East west sub system integrate in your JF-17 or in any frigate as expected by many member's here .

 

[Tank131]

So basically you can't have East west sub system integrate in your JF-17 or in any frigate as expected by many member's here .

That seems to be the case. It is an issue of China's willingness to allow a western country to perform the integration and vice versa. The Europeans are not likely to allow China access to sensitive tech in order to integrate their weapons on european platforms either. Now, one could ask, why not just allow Pakistan to perform the integration? The likely scenario is, why should we let Pakistan pick and choose weaponry when we want to maintain that line of funds. The chinese want Pakistan to buy Chinese platforms and weapons to use on those platforms. Even if it is on loans, that gives their industry credibility and eventually will be a source of revenue. The same is true for western suppliers

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

So basically you can't have East west sub system integrate in your JF-17 or in any frigate as expected by many member's here .

Pakistan owns most of the JF-17 project, so any constraint there is largely removable if you put money into it. That's why PAC/AvRID is working on sourcing an original AESA radar internally.

 

[Tank131]

Pakistan owns most of the JF-17 project, so any constraint there is largely removable if you put money into it. That's why PAC/AvRID is working on sourcing an original AESA radar internally.

Exactly, but the entire "ecosystem" needs to change for that. For western weapons Pakistan needs western radars (or its own if its willing to give access to Europeans/Americans to intergrate their weapons and vice versa). For Chinese weapons the reverse is true. For block I and II, the west was being stingy on radar specs and PAF was very gun shy on relying on west for munitions. The Chinese were offering a better radar and while the weapon (sd-10) was unproven, it was embargo free. Come to block 3, and now Pakistan wants the western radar but PAF has a huge cache of Chinese weapons from SD-10, c802, cm-400AKG and numerous a2g weapons. Rather than going on a munitions shopping spree for blk III, they just want to integrate the weapons to the western radar (likely vixen 1000E). Additionally, the west will likley not be willing to match the future weapons of blk III (PL-15 and PL-10) with meteor and asraam, so it again is in the same ballpark as blk I/II.

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey is accelerating the naval programs with expanding the number of naval shipyards that is going to construct warships/submarines. İzmir Alaybey shipyard will start construction under the Asfat As.

3 floating dock is also under the construction. All will have a length more than 170m and 10000t capacity. First floating dock will be delivered in this month.

 

[Rafi]

 

[dBSPL]

Bro, thank you for sharing. Network centric warfare is currently the most intensive concept of the TN and TAF working on. All infrastructures from guidance systems to platform navigations and communication protocols are building around this concept.

By the way, the interface and management system that you watched the demo consists of 6 million lines of code. And this opens up to the Pakistani navy to privatize its ships. It will be an important achievement for Pakistan.

 

[Rafi]

Bro, thank you for sharing. Network centric warfare is currently the most intensive concept of the TN and TAF working on. All infrastructures from guidance systems to platform navigations and communication protocols are building around this concept.

By the way, the interface and management system that you watched the demo consists of 6 million lines of code. And this opens up to the Pakistani navy to privatize its ships. It will be an important achievement for Pakistan.

Really impressed with this and proud of the whole Turkish defence industry. The MLU of the Agosta subs is also very impressive.

 

[cabatli_53]

In 2020 when burgazada get Advent CMS, there will be a demonstration exercise of working together concept. One ship with Advent will collect the target datas while others deactivate all radar/sensor system and the nonactive ship will get all needed info from active ship and launch missiles at target.

Thanks to Advent CMS, The ships with only 40km SAM missiles will provide aerial protection for hundreds km square as if One ship with long range SAM missiles. If one ship detect enemy aircraft position, other ships will passively strike the target from different locations without being detected by enemy sensors. For this reason, The smaller ships will also receive ADVENT upgrade.

 

[Basel]

Unlikely. Hq-16 will already be in PN aboard the Type 054A/P. Beyond this the Pak Army already operates this missile. And lastly the is zero ground breaking tech on the HQ-16. The US has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with China not wanting to share source codes with a competitor which would then have to integrate the missiles on the MILGEM, especially when that competitor is in NATO. It is the same reasons that they didnt allow the source codes for SD-10 to be integrated into a western radar for JF-17. You want their munitions, then you need their tech and missiles. US does the same thing with a few countries that are granted exceptions.

Pakistan always use mix of eastern and western systems, so its possible if Turkish boats have western radar then western weapons are deployed with them too.

So basically you can't have East west sub system integrate in your JF-17 or in any frigate as expected by many member's here .

Nope, Pakistan have combo of west+east systems on many platforms already.