Pakistan trashed over bogus claims of Indian terrorism

[Sipahi]

1) Mukhti bahni : Created after your atrocities to the bengalis. Most of them are worst than what British did to Indians.

2) LTTE - Created due to atrocities committed by Singhalites.

3) Tibetan separatist : Created when China invaded and occupied their territory

4) Baloch separatist : Created after Pakistan invaded and occupied their territory. Not only that Does they even have the right to their own resources?

5) TTP Pakistan : Breakaway group of Talibans you created in Afghanistan. When you nurturing a snake in your backyard you can't expect to bite only your neighbors said Hillary Clinton in your country in an open media.

So basically you blame India for what is seems like freedom movements when external forces tried to slave the indigenous people. Funny these coming from a Pakistani. You unselfish got your country called Pakistan after freedom movement set whole British East India company on fire. Thanks to Indians today you enjoy freedom to talk rubbish and mock innocent people spirit who still fights for the freedom

Brainwashing at his best, thats the level of brainwashing among terrorist ranks. They also think that we are innocent and other are "Jalim"

1) Mukhti bahni : Created after your atrocities to the bengalis. Most of them are worst than what British did to Indians.

2) LTTE - Created due to atrocities committed by Singhalites.

3) Tibetan separatist : Created when China invaded and occupied their territory

4) Baloch separatist : Created after Pakistan invaded and occupied their territory. Not only that Does they even have the right to their own resources?

5) TTP Pakistan : Breakaway group of Talibans you created in Afghanistan. When you nurturing a snake in your backyard you can't expect to bite only your neighbors said Hillary Clinton in your country in an open media.

So basically you blame India for what is seems like freedom movements when external forces tried to slave the indigenous people. Funny these coming from a Pakistani. You unselfish got your country called Pakistan after freedom movement set whole British East India company on fire. Thanks to Indians today you enjoy freedom to talk rubbish and mock innocent people spirit who still fights for the freedom

Brainwashing at his best, thats the level of brainwashing among terrorist ranks. They also think that we are innocent and other are "Jalim"

 

[SrNair]

Even Sec. Def. Chuck Hagel is on record conceding that india's nefarious activity creates trouble in Pakistan....hell - even that certified Pakistan-basher-cum-alcoholic by the name of "Christine Fair" has written about indian diplomats quietly admitting to her that "millions are pumped" into fomenting unrest in Balochistan

the indians have failed at their game in Afghanistan, things havent been going their way and now they're simply around to play a spoiler role in the reconciliation process.....probably a reason why hardly any country takes india's "Concerns" into confidence vis-a-vis Pakistan. They know that Pakistan is key to their dignified exit. india is, quite frankly, a liability and nuisance. Many seasoned department of state officials (off the record) admit that indian diplomats are quite pesky and a handful to deal with. One can only imagine why

Me personally, i think it's time to take the gloves off. Especially after Pathankot and APS. We will do the needful to safefguard our interests and there's nothing these dot-heads can do about it - except of course mighty TOIlet articles and that hyper-ventilating school-girl by the name of "Arse-knob Goswami"

And after that dignified exit they will again dump Pakistan as usual.India dont need any ones support in Afghanistan .One and half decades of good humanitarian investment already created enough good assets in Afghanistan.

 

[faithfulguy]

It's well known fact that India is sponsoring terror groups directed against Pakistan. India should be regarded as a terror sponsoring country.

 

[SrNair]

It's well known fact that India is sponsoring terror groups directed against Pakistan. India should be regarded as a terror sponsoring country.

 

[nair]

Typical wet dream of a typical Indian. You should have written in quotes , My next trash fantasy piece written for general indian populace and TOI

Why negative rating for OP?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As for Pakistani diplomats - well people just don't want to deal with them - unfortunately there is a stigma attacked to Pakistani diplomats due to their shady nature. More than 50% of them are ISI plants and after poor Robin Raphael no one wants to be seen or photographed with them unless directly ordered.

The fact that you're spouting rubbish can be easily established by listing the Pakistani ambassadors to the US over the last decade, many of whom have been public figures (and have published books, essays and reports as part of Western and Pakistani media and think tank institutions) and whose professionalism, civility and adherence to diplomatic protocol is beyond repproach:

1. Tariq Fatemi (Pakistan Foreign Service)
2. Gen. Jehangir Karamat
3. Maliha Lodhi
4. Ashraf Qazi (Pakistan Foreign Service)
5. Gen. Mahmoud Ali Durrani
6. Hussain Haqqani
7. Sherry Rehman
8. Jalil Abbas Gilani (Pakistan Foreign Service)

I'm fact, the only individual out of the above who could be considered 'shady' and accused of not acting per the decorum and responsibilities demanded of his office is Hussain Haqqani, and ironically this shady individual just happens to be the darling of the West and Indians.

I understand that this irrational hatred and obsession of Pakistan that is so deep rooted in the mentality of Indians like Chaddi Rajghatta (misspell intended) drives paranoid and distorted propaganda paraded as analysis and commentary, but you appear to be intelligent enough to at least do some basic fact checking on the individuals that have been appointed Pakistan Ambassador to the US in the recent past.

 

[sNoW]

WASHINGTON: A concerted chorus in Pakistan orchestrated by its jihadi-military establishment that India is behind its homegrown terrorist attacks is being trashed in the western media, with reputed commentators instead calling out Islamabad for its own record of nurturing terrorist groups.
The Pakistani allegations reached a crescendo this week following the attack on Bacha Khan University in Charsadda that claimed 21 lives, mostly of students. Although credit for the attack was claimed by the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Pakistan's military establishment, using prominent journalists and anchors as frontmen, alluded to the "Indian hand" behind the attack, as it did following the assault on the Army Public School in Peshawar last year when some 140 children were massacred by the TTP.
The charges have invited ridicule in the western media that is now all too familiar with Pakistan's dalliance with terrorist groups, which only successive US administrations have winked at for tactical exigency such as access to Afghanistan.

Pakistan trashed over bogus claims of Indian terrorism - Times of India

Definitely, you and yours "western" media interest are same... And both wagging a war against #Pak... THEY definitely defend their touts.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Why negative rating for OP?

Probably reflective of his inability to distinguish between trash parading as commentary and objective commentary when creating a thread.

 

[Spectre]

The fact that you're spouting rubbish can be easily established by listing the Pakistani ambassadors to the US over the last decade, many of whom have been public figures (and have published books, essays and reports as part of Western and Pakistani media and think tank institutions) and whose professionalism, civility and adherence to diplomatic protocol is beyond repproach:

1. Tariq Fatemi (Pakistan Foreign Service)
2. Gen. Jehangir Karamat
3. Maliha Lodhi
4. Ashraf Qazi (Pakistan Foreign Service)
5. Gen. Mahmoud Ali Durrani
6. Hussain Haqqani
7. Sherry Rehman
8. Jalil Abbas Gilani (Pakistan Foreign Service)

I'm fact, the only individual out of the above who could be considered 'shady' and accused of not acting per the decorum and responsibilities demanded of his office is Hussain Haqqani, and ironically this shady individual just happens to be the darling of the West and Indians.

I understand that this irrational hatred and obsession of Pakistan that is so deep rooted in the mentality of Indians like Chaddi Rajghatta (misspell intended) drives paranoid and distorted propaganda paraded as analysis and commentary, but you appear to be intelligent enough to at least do some basic fact checking on the individuals that have been appointed Pakistan Ambassador to the US in the recent past.

If you have any experience of how an Embassy and specifically Pakistani Embassy works then you would not have posted this. Ambassadors are mostly beyond reproach . Still among the Ambassadors listed I have observed with professional interest every ambassador since Ambassador Lodhi and she along with Gen Karamat conducted themselves ...well as Ambassadors, one can say that Sherry Rehman was also dignified. On the other hand I agree when you say the stuff pulled by Haqqani was despicable.

But Ambassadors were not the subject of discussion of my post. My post was directed towards rank and file embassy staff.

I would still apologize if my post was offensive - but it is my considered opinion that there is much to be desired from Pakistani diplomatic staff which really is not surprising considering the situation back home in Pakistan. The chain of command is severely compromised.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If you have any experience of how an Embassy and specifically Pakistani Embassy works then you would not have posted this. Ambassadors are mostly beyond reproach . Still among the Ambassadors listed I have observed with professional interest every ambassador since Ambassador Lodhi and she along with Gen Karamat conducted themselves ...well as Ambassadors, one can say that Sherry Rehman was also dignified. On the other hand I agree when you say the stuff pulled by Haqqani was despicable.

But Ambassadors were not the subject of discussion of my post. My post was directed towards rank and file embassy staff.

I would still apologize if my post was offensive - but it is my considered opinion that there is much to be desired from Pakistani diplomatic staff which really is not surprising considering the situation back home in Pakistan. The chain of command is severely compromised.

I misunderstood you then - I agree with you on the lack of professionalism in many of the 'rank and file' members of the diplomatic missions. In fact, most Pakistanis who have to engage with these individuals would be first in line to savage their attitudes and conduct, but these are not typically the individuals who have the 'weight' to engage and influence at high levels of government and legislature. However, the end result here is, as you alluded, a lack of respect for the institution (which would serve long term interests).

 

[Albatross]

Number of terrorist organization that are flourishing in India clearly proves she is in a bigger mess and sitting on a ticking time bomb.

Punjab

1. Babbar Khalsa International (BKI)
2. International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF)
3. Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF)

1. 
   Arunachal Pradesh

1. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
2. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khaplang (NSCN-K)
3. National Liberation Council of Tani Land (NLCT)
4. Tani Land National Liberation Tigers (TLNLT)

1. 
   Assam

1. Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
2. National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)
3. United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)

1. Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist)
2. Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM)
3. Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB)
4. IK Songbijit faction of National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB-IKS)
5. Karbi People's Liberation Tigers (KPLT)
6. Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA)
7. United Liberation Front of Asom-Independent (ULFA-I)

Manipur

1. Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
2. Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
3. Manipur People’s Liberation Front (MPLF)
4. People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
5. People’s Liberation Army (PLA)
6. United National Liberation Front (UNLF)

1. Coordination Committee (CorCom) [six valley based groups]
2. Manipur Naga Revolutionary Front (MNRF)
3. National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
4. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khaplang (NSCN-K)
5. People's United Liberation Front (PULF)
6. Zeliangrong United Front

1. 
   Mizoram

1. 
   Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

1. 
   Meghalaya

1. 
   Garo National Liberation Army (GNLA)

1. Achik National Liberation Army (ANLA)
2. Achick Songa An'pachakgipa Kotok (ASAK)
3. Achik National Liberation Co-operative Army (ANLCA)
4. Achik Tiger Force (ATF)
5. Achik National United Force (ANUF)
6. Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
7. Liberation of Achik Elite Force (LAEF

1. 
   Nagaland

1. Federal Government of Nagaland-Non-Accordist (FGN-NA)
2. Federal Government of Nagaland -Accordist (FGN-A)
3. National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)
4. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Reformation (NSCN-R)
5. Non-Accordist faction of Naga National Council (NNC-NA)
6. Naga National Council-Accordist (NNC-Accordist)

1. 
   Tripura

1. All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
2. National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)

Kashmir

1. Al Badr
2. Al Umar Mujahideen (AuM)
3. Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM)
4. Front Organisations of Terrorist Groups Active in Jammu and Kashmir
5. Harkat-ul Mujahideen [(HuM), previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA)]
6. Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami(HuJI)
7. Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)
8. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
9. Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM)
10. Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front (JKIF)
11. Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)

1. All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC)
2. Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF)
3. Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
4. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)
5. Mutahida Jehad Council [(MJC) , also known as United Jehad Council (UJC)]
6. Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen (TuM

1. 
   Other terrorist groups

1. Al-Qaida
2. Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj (ABNES)
3. Deendar Anjuman
4. Indian Mujahideen, all its formations and front organizations
5. Islamic State/Islamic State of Iraq and Levant /Islamic State of Iraq and Syria/Daish, and all its Manifestations
6. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
7. Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI)
8. Tamil Nadu Liberation Army (TNLA)
9. Tamil National Retrieval Troops (TNRT)
10. Organisations listed in the Schedule to the U.N. Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism (Implementation of Security Council Resolutions) Order, 2007 made under section 2 of the United Nations (Security Council) Act, 1947 and amended from time to time

Total 71
India - Terrorist Groups

And I have not yet mentioned hundreds of inactive groups that may get active whenever they feel suitable for them.

Purpose of sharing this if after having all this shit inside her India still can claim Pakistan did everything that happened in India why cant Pakistan do the same?

 

[sNoW]

Number of terrorist organization that are flourishing in India clearly proves she is in a bigger mess and sitting on a ticking time bomb.

Punjab

1. Babbar Khalsa International (BKI)
2. International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF)
3. Khalistan Zindabad Force (KZF)

1. 
   Arunachal Pradesh

1. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
2. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khaplang (NSCN-K)
3. National Liberation Council of Tani Land (NLCT)
4. Tani Land National Liberation Tigers (TLNLT)

1. 
   Assam

1. Kamtapur Liberation Organisation (KLO)
2. National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB)
3. United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA)

1. Communist Party of India-Maoist (CPI-Maoist)
2. Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HuM)
3. Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB)
4. IK Songbijit faction of National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB-IKS)
5. Karbi People's Liberation Tigers (KPLT)
6. Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA)
7. United Liberation Front of Asom-Independent (ULFA-I)

Manipur

1. Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP)
2. Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL)
3. Manipur People’s Liberation Front (MPLF)
4. People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK)
5. People’s Liberation Army (PLA)
6. United National Liberation Front (UNLF)

1. Coordination Committee (CorCom) [six valley based groups]
2. Manipur Naga Revolutionary Front (MNRF)
3. National Socialist Council of Nagaland -- Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM)
4. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khaplang (NSCN-K)
5. People's United Liberation Front (PULF)
6. Zeliangrong United Front

1. 
   Mizoram

1. 
   Hmar People's Convention- Democracy (HPC-D)

1. 
   Meghalaya

1. 
   Garo National Liberation Army (GNLA)

1. Achik National Liberation Army (ANLA)
2. Achick Songa An'pachakgipa Kotok (ASAK)
3. Achik National Liberation Co-operative Army (ANLCA)
4. Achik Tiger Force (ATF)
5. Achik National United Force (ANUF)
6. Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council (HNLC)
7. Liberation of Achik Elite Force (LAEF

1. 
   Nagaland

1. Federal Government of Nagaland-Non-Accordist (FGN-NA)
2. Federal Government of Nagaland -Accordist (FGN-A)
3. National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Khaplang) – NSCN (K)
4. Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland-Reformation (NSCN-R)
5. Non-Accordist faction of Naga National Council (NNC-NA)
6. Naga National Council-Accordist (NNC-Accordist)

1. 
   Tripura

1. All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTF)
2. National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)

Kashmir

1. Al Badr
2. Al Umar Mujahideen (AuM)
3. Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM)
4. Front Organisations of Terrorist Groups Active in Jammu and Kashmir
5. Harkat-ul Mujahideen [(HuM), previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA)]
6. Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami(HuJI)
7. Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM)
8. Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
9. Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM)
10. Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front (JKIF)
11. Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT)

1. All Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC)
2. Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF)
3. Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
4. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO)
5. Mutahida Jehad Council [(MJC) , also known as United Jehad Council (UJC)]
6. Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen (TuM

1. 
   Other terrorist groups

1. Al-Qaida
2. Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj (ABNES)
3. Deendar Anjuman
4. Indian Mujahideen, all its formations and front organizations
5. Islamic State/Islamic State of Iraq and Levant /Islamic State of Iraq and Syria/Daish, and all its Manifestations
6. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
7. Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI)
8. Tamil Nadu Liberation Army (TNLA)
9. Tamil National Retrieval Troops (TNRT)
10. Organisations listed in the Schedule to the U.N. Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism (Implementation of Security Council Resolutions) Order, 2007 made under section 2 of the United Nations (Security Council) Act, 1947 and amended from time to time

Total 71
India - Terrorist Groups

And I have not yet mentioned hundreds of inactive groups that may get active whenever they feel suitable for them.

Purpose of sharing this if after having all this shit inside her India still can claim Pakistan did everything that happened in India why cant Pakistan do the same?

Superb Bro.. Where did you get all this data?

 

[Spectre]

I misunderstood you then - I agree with you on the lack of professionalism in many of the 'rank and file' members of the diplomatic missions. In fact, most Pakistanis who have to engage with these individuals would be first in line to savage their attitudes and conduct, but these are not typically the individuals who have the 'weight' to engage and influence at high levels of government and legislature.

Ok. Here I go - Don't crucify me.

Ambassadors contrary to the popular perceptions as a norm dont influence the legislature or govt. They carry out the orders and are official spokesperson to the nation where their mission is located. They do have certain degree of input but in practice that is often set aside by the bureaucrats/foreign service/state dept. officials in the home country. In addition most Ambassadors have very limited skill set which is wining and dining and they are often relegated to being the mouthpiece while the actual work is done by deputy chief of missions. By actual work i mean - framing and execution of the policy at embassy level.

Now we have set that aside - important duties of a diplomatic mission are to put forth his country's view point in host country through direct or professional lobbying, ensure the sanctity of intelligence missions, facilitate and promote trade and commerce and lastly ensure the well being of their country's visitors to the host.

Now Pakistani diplomats are no different from their Indian brethren in competence or lack there of when it comes to all these duties with the notable exception being enthusiasm to be involved in "intelligence" aspect. Every one does it but there are unwritten rules and norms which are never violated as it is Ambassador's personal integrity which is at stake. Even at the height of cold war Americans and Soviets were honest with each other as much as possible in the diplomatic arena. There are sometimes when you have to lie but it was done sparingly but Pakistani diplomats lie with such abandon with no respect to propriety that one can't help but not take anything they say on face value.

They should atleast give their counterparts some credit for their intelligence and not treat them like utter fools. The Pakistani diplomats - the majority of them dont act like career diplomats in short. This is what happens when civilian govt is bypassed because whereas civilian govt would think from all angles the military establishment is very narrow in their focus.

Regards

 

[Albatross]

Superb Bro.. Where did you get all this data?

India - Terrorist Groups

 

[kadamba-warrior]

It's well known fact that India is sponsoring terror groups directed against Pakistan. India should be regarded as a terror sponsoring country.

And China, which frequently goes out of its way to VETO resolutions against UN designated terrorist groups and their hosts time and again, should be praised as saviors of humanity and showered with rose petals?

What a bunch of shameless hypocrites you guys are!