Pakistan to US: Don't cross the 'red lines'

[divya]

what is the red line is he talking about.

They are already bombing in Pakistan. What is the red line? Total invasion

 

[somebozo]

These drones can better be used to provide air cover and surveillance for lone posted ISAF/NATO personals getting killed daily by Taliban. Imagine an over head hoovering drone keeping an eye on Taliban ambush via high res camera and warning the contingents in advance. Can be used to protect their convoys as well which are being robbed on regular basis. Provided the american use their brain and not their @ss for finding escape goats.

 

[LeGenD]

If you could recall the mighty Soviet Union got collapse all before Mujahideen and the weak, poor flimsy bankrupt Pakistan? History repeats itself and it is about to repeat for USA and India in Afghanistan. I understand you guys are in pain but sorry.. you have to go through it yet again.

The 'not so' mighty Soviet Union collapsed due to its flawed ideologies. Here is a brief explanation:

What led to this monumental historical event? In fact, the answer is a very complex one, and can only be arrived at with an understanding of the peculiar composition and history of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was built on approximately the same territory as the Russian Empire which it succeeded. After the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, the newly-formed government developed a philosophy of socialism with the eventual and gradual transition to Communism. The state which the Bolsheviks created was intended to overcome national differences, and rather to create one monolithic state based on a centralized economical and political system. This state, which was built on a Communist ideology, was eventually transformed into a totalitarian state, in which the Communist leadership had complete control over the country.

However, this project of creating a unified, centralized socialist state proved problematic for several reasons. First, the Soviets underestimated the degree to which the non-Russian ethnic groups in the country (which comprised more than fifty percent of the total population of the Soviet Union) would resist assimilation into a Russianized State. Second, their economic planning failed to meet the needs of the State, which was caught up in a vicious arms race with the United States. This led to gradual economic decline, eventually necessitating the need for reform. Finally, the ideology of Communism, which the Soviet Government worked to instill in the hearts and minds of its population, never took firm root, and eventually lost whatever influence it had originally carried.

By the time of the 1985 rise to power of Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union’s last leader, the country was in a situation of severe stagnation, with deep economic and political problems which sorely needed to be addressed and overcome. Recognizing this, Gorbachev introduced a two-tiered policy of reform. On one level, he initiated a policy of glasnost, or freedom of speech. On the other level, he began a program of economic reform known as perestroika, or rebuilding. What Gorbachev did not realize was that by giving people complete freedom of expression, he was unwittingly unleashing emotions and political feelings that had been pent up for decades, and which proved to be extremely powerful when brought out into the open. Moreover, his policy of economic reform did not have the immediate results he had hoped for and had publicly predicted. The Soviet people consequently used their newly allotted freedom of speech to criticize Gorbachev for his failure to improve the economy.

Source: Cold War Museum

The reforms brought by Gorbachev led to elimination of a system which was holding the Soviet Union together in the first place, be it through flawed means. Some say that this phenomenon was like a time bomb waiting to explode.

Soviet Union was not actively exploring avenues for massive economic growth. And war in afghanistan further strained its already poor economic condition.

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

The 'not so' mighty Soviet Union collapsed due to its flawed ideologies. Here is a brief explanation:


Source: Cold War Museum

The reforms brought by Gorbachev led to elimination of a system which was holding the Soviet Union together in the first place, be it through flawed means. Some say that this phenomenon was like a time bomb waiting to explode.

Soviet Union was not actively exploring avenues for massive economic growth. And war in afghanistan further strained its already poor economic condition.

Another disaster for Soviet Union was the Chernobyl accident which cost the Soviets 18 Billion Roubles (Rouble was equal to dollar in those days)... Gorby is on record to have stated that Chernobyl destroyed the Soviet Economy...

Goes to show that Allah's plan and help works in strange ways and from directions that we do not generally understand... Sadly we Muslims of all people forget this so often...

 

[khurasaan1]

US will take over pakistan soon InshAllah

Stop posting BS if you have nothing to post.

looks like u scared of Pak ..so u guyz wnna take cover of US...

 

[divya]

looks like u scared of Pak ..so u guyz wnna take cover of US...

Scared of what.......................
why should we work around when US and you yourself are quite capable of doing the good job

 

[ares]

The 'not so' mighty Soviet Union collapsed due to its flawed ideologies. Here is a brief explanation:


Source: Cold War Museum

The reforms brought by Gorbachev led to elimination of a system which was holding the Soviet Union together in the first place, be it through flawed means. Some say that this phenomenon was like a time bomb waiting to explode.

Soviet Union was not actively exploring avenues for massive economic growth. And war in afghanistan further strained its already poor economic condition.

You know what destroyed Soviet union..
Their economy in 1980s Soviet GDP was half of that of US..President Regan saw this as an opportunity hiked US defence spending to 4 % of GDP consequentially Soviets in order maintain parity with American hiked its defence spending to 8% .. consequentially there was growing resentment amongst Soviet populace(as their standard of living begun to drop) which led to demise of Soviet union.

 

[CENTCOM]

I agree.. Pakistan has offered USA more than it should have offered. Enough has already been "More than Enough"!

I wish USA would cross the line someday soon and Pakistan would opt out of this cosmetic war of terror. We have all the solutions to our problems and USA is a liability to us.

Dear Readers:

It is extremely important to understand the US and Pakistan are serving a common good and fighting the same enemy who continues to wreak havoc in Pakistan. If the recent events provide any indication, than it must be clear the terrorist will cross any line in their bid to destabilize the nation of Pakistan! We have already witnessed inhumane and cruel acts of terrorism ranging from attacks on Mosques, Shrines and now using women as suicide bombers. These events in fact suggest that this is not a “cosmetic war of terror” and the threat these terrorist place over the nation of Pakistan is of catastrophic level. Pakistan must not turn a blind eye to these terrorist and stop the indiscreet killings of its citizens. The US and NATO forces have sacrificed many lives while securing Afghanistan and have achieved great success against the Taliban. Despite all the rumors and propagandas, Taliban have been losing control over many towns and villages and running out of hiding space. Here you can watch how American, Italian and Afghan forces are securing Bala Murghab and have taken the control back from the Taliban.

Here you can watch Afghan and US troops involved in a major operation to drive the Taliban out of districts surrounding Kandahar.

It is no secret that proximity to the Pakistan border provides them with another option to conduct their operations. The US wishes and desires stable and safe environment in Pakistan for the sake of both nations. The growing strategic partnership between the US and Pakistan is halting their operations and leaving no room for growth. Recent news articles reported that U.S. forces were planning to conduct ground operations in Pakistan. The ISAF Deputy Chief of Staff for Communication released the following statement in response to these incorrect reports:

"There is absolutely no truth to reporting in the New York Times that U.S. forces are planning to conduct ground operations into Pakistan. ISAF and U.S. Forces, along with their Afghan partners have developed a strong working relationship with the Pakistan military to address shared security issues,” said RADM Gregory Smith. “This coordination recognizes the sovereignty of Afghanistan and Pakistan to pursue insurgents and terrorists operating in their respective border areas. Cross border coordination has and continues to disrupt and dismantle insurgent networks in select areas, with significant operations on both sides of the border removing large numbers of insurgent leaders and fighters."

In fact; Afghanistan, Pakistan and coalition forces worked together Dec. 23 at a tripartite commission aimed at discussing areas for future cooperation as both Afghanistan and Pakistan seek to build on the 2010 security gains.

Afghanistan, Pakistan, ISAF Military Leaders Seek Future Cooperation | ISAF - International Security Assistance Force

LCDR Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
CENTCOM

 

[PakShaheen79]

It is no secret that proximity to the Pakistan border provides them with another option to conduct their operations. The US wishes and desires stable and safe environment in Pakistan for the sake of both nations. The growing strategic partnership between the US and Pakistan is halting their operations and leaving no room for growth.

Uh, and that is why Pakistan was turned into a hell when CIA was allowed to work in South Waziristan Agency back in 2004-05. All turmoil in the country started from there. Pakistan-US strategic partnership??? What that thing is, seriously?Indians are supporting insurgencies in FATA and Baluchistan from Afghanistan under US nose and you here think that we Pakistanis are going to believe on that.

Unfortunately, it is Pakistan's Eastern border and threat perception from that border which forced us to go for a unjust war in Afghanistan. US has not convicted Khalid Shiekh Mohammad yet on 9/11 chargers, morality of the Afghan invasion is a serious question mark. Now please dont tell me that these terrorists are also a creating mess for Pakistan as well as now it is evident that all these terrorism and chaos in Pakistan is part of US surrogate wars to expand it military and strategic foot print in Central Asia and in whole Eurasia.

 

[F-16_Falcon]

US try anything inside Pakistan and they will face the greatest threat to themselves on earth. All Muslims will be united under one banner. China will also help.

I am not against US but you do anything bad with Pakistan and you are gone.

 

[DesiGuy]

i agree with F-16_Falcon. LOL

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

US try anything inside Pakistan and they will face the greatest threat to themselves on earth. All Muslims will be united under one banner. China will also help.

I am not against US but you do anything bad with Pakistan and you are gone.

They know this very well... This is why its all Bahana Afghanistan Nishana Pakistan...

 

[mikkix]

They know this very well... This is why its all Bahana Afghanistan Nishana Pakistan...

Don't take hamid gul seriously, yeh he was good but now not that good...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Don't take hamid gul seriously, yeh he was good but now not that good...

Its not only Gul's analysis (the words are his though)... I have been told by officers in Pak Army that this is what it seems to be...

The Americans did push the Taliban into Pakistan... Speaks volumes to me about their plans...

 

[Parashuram1]

Can certainly vouch for the first statement... This is actually a reality that only those can deny who are ignorant about the way things are going in the world...

As for China... depends... We could have a treaty with the Chinese if they are willing to help us in military tech... We wont be forming a Union with them however...

Your statements have some very serious flaws here. First of all, no one in today's country (not empire) based world will risk its people, money, stability etc because let us face it; each of them have some or the other major problems.

Seondly other than Turkey's recent diplomatic fire and fizzle with Israel along with its own domestic political tensions, no other 'Muslim' (I quote this because no matter how much a country claims to use religion as ideology, it is almost always simply an excuse to establish one's rule absolute) country is in a condition to respond to NATO for some other country's sake.

About China, they might maximum politically support you in the United Nations however please do not expect People's Liberation Army to descend upon Pakistani soil and bleed for your sake. That will never happen. Strategically, Chinese forces have to deal with their own major threats and threat perceptions which after 2010's heated diplomatic episodes include a sizeable amount of her own neighbours. A problem no matter how small still is not the same as no problems at all.

Finally the whole concept of NATO's invasion of Pakistan for the sake of subjugating Pakistani people is absurd. The drone strikes after years of spending billions has given some very positive results and in a cost saving manner meaning that Americans are most likely to continue or perhaps even increase the intensity of drone strikes in areas that are troubled by militant havens.