Pakistan to stick with RD-93 engine for JF-17, say PAF officials

[Blue Marlin]

I wonder at the utility of this smoke trail thinking about the kind of speeds , merging and turnings required to get a lock on between 2 or more opponents flying at hundreds of miles per hour.
the culprit smoke trail is also not sustained and continuous and when the plane is turning then its pretty much a cloud so I would worry about other important things than this cosmetically annoying thing.

combustion irragularities are the cause of the smoke. or in lamens term the engine is not combusting properly. this is due to a combination of the mid preasure air and the core/combustion chamber. the newer mk varient of the rd-33 does not have this problem. if russia and pakistan do develop the engine, the smoke trail would be one the first things that would be on the list to be fixed. but they are very reliable, 7000+ hours. did you know that the rd-93 produced more poer than it did now, but it's service life was shorter, so a small amount of power resulted in a long lasting engine.

 

[MastanKhan]

Exactly.Pakistan cannot do things like launching satellites or making advanced destroyers or ABMs.Pakistan has forex kitty of $20b whereas India has a forex kitty of $350b.


India's equivalent of Pakistan JF-17 program is Su-30MKI program.That has been quite a success with over 220 fighters built so far(incl 180 in India).
Whereas Pakistan has built only 55-60 JF-17 so far.

Sir,

That comparison is WISHFUL thinking by you. Good luck.

 

[Tipu7]

More Smoke means more Carbon particles present in exhaust gases, meaning more deposition of coke and carbon traces in engine parts. Resulting in more need of maintainance and work load. .......

What variant of RD33 Mig35 use.....?
Isn't that engine the best answer???? Particularly for Block 3 now? And J31 in future?

 

[Death In Fire]

Sir,

That comparison is WISHFUL thinking by you. Good luck.

No Sir, that comparison just showed you the reality.

Hi,

Not at all sir. You upgraded an aircraft whereas we went onto develop one with our limited industrial capacity in jv with China. Let's not talk about getting spares, just the other day a deal was signed to secure supply for compomenets.

There was hardly any major component in the plane designed by Pakistan.The plane is just a modified lavi just like mki is a modified Su-30

 

[abdulbarijan]

No Sir, that comparison just showed you the reality.


There was hardly any major component in the plane designed by Pakistan.The plane is just a modified lavi just like mki is a modified Su-30

"Reality" ... what reality are you talking about ? ... Your comparing a Joint venture which had capital invested by both partners to obtain a cost effective turn key solution i.e JF-17 ... WITH a product that was already made in the 90's and was just customized to meet customer's requirements in the MKI/MKK/MKM versions ...

Just answer these questions if you seriously believe in the MKI and JFT being similar project wise ..

1. How much is HAL entitled to on the sale of SU-30's across the globe (PAC is entitled to a set percentage of the profit in case of JFT)
   
   
2. How much formal marketing does the Indian side take part in when it comes to the SU-30 ... if JFT and MKI projects are similar (PAF does most of the marketing when it comes to air shows and exhibitions)
   
   
3. -Was India involved in the inception of the SU-30 .... like Pakistan was involved with the JFT project from the formal start after the cancellation of prior projects that did have some influence nonetheless ...

lastly ... Do you seriously believe that JF-17 is a modified LAVI ???

 

[MastanKhan]

No Sir, that comparison just showed you the reality.


There was hardly any major component in the plane designed by Pakistan.The plane is just a modified lavi just like mki is a modified Su-30

Sir,

J10 is the Lavi-----. You indians need to make up your mind---. Is it a copy of the Mig21 or the Lavi.

Hi,

In car sales I have learnt one thing----there is no such thing as never----. You think you have pi-ssed off a customer and he turns around and buys a car from you---you think you have made a friend with a customer and he goes and buys somewhere else.

There is one condition that the PAF must not overlook---and hopefully they won't---fuel consumption----. If they find an engine available that can decrease the fuel consumption by half---there is every reason to let go of the RD93---.

Nothing beats 2 hours flying time over 1 hour flying time.

 

[Death In Fire]

"Reality" ... what reality are you talking about ? ... Your comparing a Joint venture which had capital invested by both partners to obtain a cost effective turn key solution i.e JF-17 ... WITH a product that was already made in the 90's and was just customized to meet customer's requirements in the MKI/MKK/MKM versions ...

Just answer these questions if you seriously believe in the MKI and JFT being similar project wise ..

1. How much is HAL entitled to on the sale of SU-30's across the globe (PAC is entitled to a set percentage of the profit in case of JFT)
   
   
2. How much formal marketing does the Indian side take part in when it comes to the SU-30 ... if JFT and MKI projects are similar (PAF does most of the marketing when it comes to air shows and exhibitions)
   
   
3. -Was India involved in the inception of the SU-30 .... like Pakistan was involved with the JFT project from the formal start after the cancellation of prior projects that did have some influence nonetheless ...

lastly ... Do you seriously believe that JF-17 is a modified LAVI ???

Only reason that Pakistan is involved in the marketing is because the PLAAF itself has zero interest in induction of jf-17.Yes IAF was involved as large number of systems were tailored to IAF specifications.

Sir,

J10 is the Lavi-----. You indians need to make up your mind---. Is it a copy of the Mig21 or the Lavi.

Hi,

In car sales I have learnt one thing----there is no such thing as never----. You think you have pi-ssed off a customer and he turns around and buys a car from you---you think you have made a friend with a customer and he goes and buys somewhere else.

There is one condition that the PAF must not overlook---and hopefully they won't---fuel consumption----. If they find an engine available that can decrease the fuel consumption by half---there is every reason to let go of the RD93---.

Nothing beats 2 hours flying time over 1 hour flying time.

JF-17 was designed mainly by Soviet engineers(many Soviet engineers who lost their jobs after USSR collapse were contracted by China in various fields including aerospace).So several soviet designs were involved.
+the chinese involvement in lavi program with Israel also helped.

 

[MastanKhan]

Only reason that Pakistan is involved in the marketing is because the PLAAF itself has zero interest in induction of jf-17.Yes IAF was involved as large number of systems were tailored to IAF specifications.



JF-17 was designed mainly by Soviet engineers(many Soviet engineers who lost their jobs after USSR collapse were contracted by China in various fields including aerospace).So several soviet designs were involved.
+the chinese involvement in lavi program with Israel also helped.

Hi,

Thank you for letting us know----.

 

[sharma1111]

Hi,

Thank you for letting us know----.

How is RD-93 engine going to power AESA?

 

[MastanKhan]

How is RD-93 engine going to power AESA?

Hi,

Thank you for asking that question---.

 

[salarsikander]

No Sir, that comparison just showed you the reality.


There was hardly any major component in the plane designed by Pakistan.The plane is just a modified lavi just like mki is a modified Su-30

Hi,

Your lack of knowledge is quite apparent here coupled with your bloated ego. I suggest to refers to the forums of 17 before making childish remarks. You have much to learn, barely been a month since you joined.

Can you sell MKI?? Will you get the share of profit ?

Don't compare paf programs with iaf both are quite different in every aspect

 

[wiseone2]

Sir,

That comparison is WISHFUL thinking by you. Good luck.

What is wishful thinking ? The Su-30 MKI program has lasted for a longer period of time. You have more countries participating in the program

 

[salarsikander]

Only reason that Pakistan is involved in the marketing is because the PLAAF itself has zero interest in induction of jf-17.Yes IAF was involved as large number of systems were tailored to IAF specifications.



JF-17 was designed mainly by Soviet engineers(many Soviet engineers who lost their jobs after USSR collapse were contracted by China in various fields including aerospace).So several soviet designs were involved.
+the chinese involvement in lavi program with Israel also helped.

Hi,

Now kindly back up your claims before you get banned !
@Oscar @Irfan Baloch @waz Guys can you please make sure the young one gets the message of keeping his bloated ego covered because this problem is with every Indian here

 

[wiseone2]

Sir,

J10 is the Lavi-----. You indians need to make up your mind---. Is it a copy of the Mig21 or the Lavi.

There are countless armchair experts. Each one is entitled to their opinion
The specs look similar to a souped up MiG-21.

Hi,

Your lack of knowledge is quite apparent here coupled with your bloated ego. I suggest to refers to the forums of 17 before making childish remarks. You have much to learn, barely been a month since you joined.

Can you sell MKI?? Will you get the share of profit ?

Don't compare paf programs with iaf both are quite different in every aspect

I agree the Su-30 MKI and JF-17 programs are apple and oranges. The only thing in common is that it is pride of their respective air forces.

The Su-30 MKI are not for re-export. It was made specifically for India. It is Russian aircraft. Some components are from India, Israel and France. Unless all of them agree it is unlikely you can re-export Su-30 MKI. You can obviously customize it - Malaysia was interested in custom variant

 

[Death In Fire]

Hi,

Your lack of knowledge is quite apparent here coupled with your bloated ego. I suggest to refers to the forums of 17 before making childish remarks. You have much to learn, barely been a month since you joined.

Can you sell MKI?? Will you get the share of profit ?

Don't compare paf programs with iaf both are quite different in every aspect

Dear tell me how many $ has PAF earned by selling JF-17.We are hearing contracts signed and talks on going since 2010.But so far not a single tom has purchased it.

Just

Hi,

Now kindly back up your claims before you get banned !
@Oscar @Irfan Baloch @waz Guys can you please make sure the young one gets the message of keeping his bloated ego covered because this problem is with every Indian here

Just read Former Soviet Union in transition by Richard Kauffman and Sino Russian military technical cooperation A Russian view it details how deeply Russians are involved in design phases of Chinese military programs.