Pakistan to raise 12,000 Marines in a new branch of Navy

[Signalian]

1. They will serve like the Rangers, only in swampy/river enviroment. They are used to protect the Sir Creek region in Sindh, and are also used in operations similiar to that of the Coast Guard - If we're planning on expanding array of Operations than they will most likely be involved in Operations outside of Country.
2. Dont know... Probably to match the massive amount of hostile troops on the other side of Sir Creek or to get more involved in combat outside of country .
3. They are not meant to guard Gwadar, they will mostly operate in Sir Creek.
4. Same equipment as Rangers, not likely they will get amphibious vehicles.



SSU

Rangers arent that required to be fit, the Army does and almost all of them are Fit,

PM have a lot of potential, much more than Rangers and FC and other VIP security outfits like SSU, Elite force etc.
Given the correct weapons and authorized offensive operations, this force can be made a potent formation which the enemy can fear for amphibious, air assault as well as ground attack into its territory.

Indian Army's 91 Brigade is an amphibious Brigade and in order to facilitate amphibious operations on a larger scale, the Indian Army has converted 54th Infantry Division into a Re-organised Amphibious Formation.

Currently, even the enemy knows that PM is just a security force for the Navy. Pakistan Needs an offensive Amphibious force.

 

[LeGenD]

Good decision.

Pakistani marines should be an expeditionary force - equipped and trained for overseas operations if need be.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

No harm having marines we just don't have any platform for Amphibious Nature
Navy is still taking baby steps to fix our Patrol / Recon capabilities

 

[xyxmt]

Love reading opinion of our smart Pakistani children.
everything is a waste of money: better build hospitals, schools, provide clean drinking water.

I propose getting rid of all our armed forces, sell their equipment, and money earned from it plus 8 to 9 billion saved from military budget could be used to build schools, hospitals and water well for every house hold.

@Kaptaan are you really that stupid or just pretend it

 

[TMA]

All military, paramilitary should be fit. In fact uniformed organizations should have minimum level of fitness.

And the SSU fits the bill 100% but it appears to be just a token outfit. It should be in every corner of the country which would require massive inestment and huge increase in manpower. Every village should be covered by such unit. This can be done if a unit is detailed to every tehsil hq and is fully mobile so can react to any village within a tehsil. We need Turkish style Jandarma that covers every nook of the country.

I have clocked 50. I am not and never have been military However every day as matter of respect to my body I jog/walk 2 miles minimum come sun, rain or snow. I do this with time limit of 40 minutes. This used to be lower but as you get older you have to adjust. So I can't see why any ranger should be fat. It is uniformed para military organization. Drill and discipline are paramount. If they can't keep up pension them. It is not like we have shortage of men in our country.

Consider US Marines. They even require their General officers to meet minimum fitness test. That is why you won't get a fat marine General. Drill, discipline and fitness is very important. Did you see the Chinese military, police or marine marching

All police should be fit...but you have seen how round they are?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Pak Marines with the given resources can only act as a defensive force or at best an anti interdiction unit in and around creek areas.

To make it into an amphibious force one would need, for starters, a delivery platform for the amphibious force to be delivered to the are of conflict. That itself is a huge expense that PN is not going to do in the absence of bare minimum surface fleet deterrence in place.

What Pak Marines should be spending upon is to equip itself to repel an amphibious operation on areas of interest.

 

[Signalian]

Pak Marines with the given resources can only act as a defensive force or at best an anti interdiction unit in and around creek areas.

To make it into an amphibious force one would need, for starters, a delivery platform for the amphibious force to be delivered to the are of conflict. That itself is a huge expense that PN is not going to do in the absence of bare minimum surface fleet deterrence in place.

What Pak Marines should be spending upon is to equip itself to repel an amphibious operation on areas of interest.

Askari Guards are a good security force in Pakistan and Paramilitary Mujahid force can operate AD equipment too.

The capabilities of Pakistan Marines, trained in PA institutions are much larger.

If PN is clever it will use PM as leverage to get more funding for itself and PM. It's a common fact that funding increases when operational scope of a certain force expands.

PM have the ability to function in all sorts of terrain which takes away the factor of 650 mile coastline excuse for lesser funding than PA and PAF. PM takes the scope of PN to operate in marshes, plains, deserts,mountains, and then comes along the desired funding for such routine, training and deployment. PM also increases PN scope on UN missions worldwide. PM can also chip in the required personnel to train and compete abroad internationally in Marine institutions, just like Army does in military institutions, cadets and officers alike.

The ability to operate in any terrain makes PM an invaluable force for PN and the amphibious assault factor is possessed by PM solely in all the Armed Forces. SF needs stealth so the scope would be much smaller for amphibious landing.

Next, the landing craft don't come alone, they need a small naval contingent -an armada- protecting them which gives PN the ability to buy more ships and expand its surface fleet. Whether PN puts these vessels for protection of amphibious force or elsewhere is another story.

Similarly for aviation assets and heavy ground equipment. The day PN pressurises GOP for a twin engine strike aircraft on the basis of its scope of operations, things will start moving while PAF is still looking.

 

[GumNaam]

Pakistan Navy's Marine Corp needs to be developed into a potent amphibious offensive force instead of a glorified security guard force.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

we need at least 3 corps of marine and 1 Airborne Div

we need at least 3 corps of marine and 1 Airborne Div

 

[Cookie Monster]

All police should be fit...but you have seen how round they are?

They are well rounded ppl

 

[TMA]

They are well rounded ppl

All rounders eh? LOL

 

[ghazi52]

 

[khanasifm]

Assuming 3 BAT of 800-900 each plus marines training and Marines HQ ~3k strength unless 4 and 5th bat were also raised. Army brigade usually has 3-5 battalions

Div has 2 brigades min

1st marines at Creek
2nd at karachi
3rd marines raised at gawadar may be some companies deployed at jinnah base and some at gawadar ??

Omara has another bat not sure why called 21st bat

https://nation.com.pk/29-Mar-2013/pn-commissions-3rd-pak-marines-battalion

http://pakmr.blogspot.com/2012/10/pakistan-navy-commissions-2nd-marines.html

https://quwa.org/2017/07/16/pakistan-navy-marines-21st-air-defence-battalion-assigned-ormara/

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Pakistan+Navy

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

36,000 Force would only matter if we had Amphibious assault Ships
12,000 is a small figure

 

[Aamir Hussain]

First let us decide if we want to employ this force for offensive ops or defensive ops. In case one wants to deploy this force for an offensive operation, then a lot of questions pop into ones mind:

1. How far away would be the offensive ops from the launch base/pad? Calc. round trip endurance of our surface combatants and one will figure out that our area of Ops can not be more farthr than the area around Jam Nagar.
2. What protection is in place to protect the amphibious flotilla from sea, undersea, and air attacks of the enemy and leave enough assets in place for regular sea patrol duties?
3. How far inland is the objective from the beach head and does it require a link up with land forces? Is part of pincer movement or an enveloping maneuver to secure a tactical advantage?
3. Or will it be a commando type raid?
4. How would we recover the force once limited objectives are met and retreat back into friendly territory? Would the withdrawal support group be tasked to stay off shore during the entire ops? If so than what would be enemy reaction and how do we protect the covering force??
5. What assets do we have to mount a resupply mission with protection?

I think the above points are just some of the questions that pop up in my mind, for starters, on a classic amphibious attack. With the current resources it is just not possible.

Yes one can launch commando type raids that can tie down a large part of enemy assets for coastal defense and for that you don't need a large force, a battalion of trained SSG(N) will do the job.but beyond that I don't see much happening here.

Let us not compare US Marines with our marines force and get carried away with dreams of Amphibious Operations. Furthermore, if India is gearing up for Amphibious ops, they are doing so for one other reason, to project force in its area of influence, i.e. Maldives and other Indian Ocean Islands etc.

Attacking Pakistan through an amphibious force is fraught with challenges for India as well. Only two nations have launched successful amphibious ops other than US/Allies in WWII/Korea, UK and Argentina. Both were touch and go situations. UK almost lost it and just managed to scrape by. And Argentina launched its ops against 24 Royal Marines in Port Stanley!!