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This seems like a done deal,
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This seems like a done deal,
I suspect that would basically be in the league of the AW139 (but with up-rated engines).Yup, that is what i am saying. Plus 40, 40+ is the absolute minimum number for any such venture i think, keeping in mind that the number may never go above 60 at max.
For a future light/medium lift/utility helicopter, do you think building or designing one around the T-129 engine and gear box can be possible? I think it should be. If that is the case we can get some parts commonality and in that case a local assembly plant for T-129 will be truly beneficial as well.
Not so trustworthy relation with russia ...It is really a great news.
I am just concerned on why Pakistan is not pursuing the new MI28?
That seems good for FC and other forcesI suspect that would basically be in the league of the AW139 (but with up-rated engines).
I was actually referring to a much smaller platform, less than 2,000 kg. It'd be cheaper to pursue and the expected domestic scale may be much higher, e.g. PAA using it as a scout and trainer, civilian market, etc due to its simplicity and lower cost. Think of it as a rotary wing Mushshak and something akin to the MD530, AH-6i, etc.
Here's a Ukrainian program - KT-122
http://ukroboronprom.com.ua/en/medi...rem-yera-vid-ukroboronpromu-na-idex-2017.html
Another good design is Poland's PZL SW-4.That seems good for FC and other forces
Hmmm, Yeah that will be great as well. Since we are just speculating here how about:I suspect that would basically be in the league of the AW139 (but with up-rated engines).
I was actually referring to a much smaller platform, less than 2,000 kg. It'd be cheaper to pursue and the expected domestic scale may be much higher, e.g. PAA using it as a scout and trainer, civilian market, etc due to its simplicity and lower cost. Think of it as a rotary wing Mushshak and something akin to the MD530, AH-6i, etc.
Here's a Ukrainian program - KT-122
http://ukroboronprom.com.ua/en/medi...rem-yera-vid-ukroboronpromu-na-idex-2017.html
Most feasible outcome would be SKD for the first two (with up to 33% of the parts manufactured and supplied from Pakistan), and with the final one manufactured (75%+) in Pakistan. The industry element for the first two would be aimed at providing deep local support for the helicopter fleet and commercial offsets to reduce the cost of major acquisitions. The final one would be to accrue export sales, especially in the civilian and low-income defence market.Hmmm, Yeah that will be great as well. Since we are just speculating here how about:
If all these options are looked into then an independent assembly and parts (with increased % now) manufacturing facility at Kamra Aviation City will make perfect sense and will make the project efficient.
- 60 odd attack helicopters
- A twin engine medium lift multi role helicopter in league of Mi-17/AW-139 that can be operated as SAR, Med Evac, VVIP transport, Civil transport, military medium lift helicopter etc. The requirement of such a version will be HUGE and if we can get parts commonality and engine, shaft and gear box commonality with the attack choppers in point 1 then it will be great. There are so many roles they can fit in and so the orders will be much larger than the attack choppers, more to the sound of 120-150 i would say.
- Very light helicopter for training, scout, light attack, reconnaissance, quick insertion and evacuation etc etc. A relatively cheaper helicopter that can find good customers in civilian market as well. This can be a single engine helicopter based on an engine same or derived form the engine of above two options, thus, giving parts commonality again.
Ukrainian model seems much better with air to air and air to surface weapons than Polands model. Also Pakistan's relations are much better with Ukraine in defence industry.
2 year old pics.This seems like a done deal,
And may be even try to go for systems that have common parts. Like South African Rooivalk Attack Helicopter and Atlas Oryx Medium sized utility helicopter have similar parts, both being based on Aerospatiale SA 330 PUMA!In my humble opinion, both Pakistan has far too many different kinds of aircrafts, helicopters, tanks, guns and motor vehicles. Extremely onerous /costly to train, supply ammunition and keeping the same in working order. Must be a nightmare for the logistics.
Off course the reason being that due to restrictions Pakistan was forced to buy her armaments from whatever source that was available. Since helicopters in particular are more expensive per hour of flying time and more extreme to maintain than fixed wing planes. It is about time that Pakistan should start standardising. For example:
1. Gunships. Limit to two kinds only. We would have 15 AH1Z. Select another one giving us best bang for the buck from Chinese, Turkish or Russian.
2. Light/Scout /Liaison: Again restrict to maximum 2 or 3 kinds say Fennec , Bell 412 & T-129.
3. Medium lift /utility /troop transport. Understand we have close to 70 Mi-8 /Mi-17 and 50 Puma (?). Why not standardise on these ?
Hmmm, Yeah that will be great as well. Since we are just speculating here how about:
If all these options are looked into then an independent assembly and parts (with increased % now) manufacturing facility at Kamra Aviation City will make perfect sense and will make the project efficient.
- 60 odd attack helicopters
- A twin engine medium lift multi role helicopter in league of Mi-17/AW-139 that can be operated as SAR, Med Evac, VVIP transport, Civil transport, military medium lift helicopter etc. The requirement of such a version will be HUGE and if we can get parts commonality and engine, shaft and gear box commonality with the attack choppers in point 1 then it will be great. There are so many roles they can fit in and so the orders will be much larger than the attack choppers, more to the sound of 120-150 i would say.
- Very light helicopter for training, scout, light attack, reconnaissance, quick insertion and evacuation etc etc. A relatively cheaper helicopter that can find good customers in civilian market as well. This can be a single engine helicopter based on an engine same or derived form the engine of above two options, thus, giving parts commonality again.
The change more frequently with the non-uniformed chiefs than with uniformed chiefs but yes, WHAT WE NEED IS consistent policy and approach to this project. It can work well for us if implemented properly. Otherwise an assembly setup for 40 odd choppers wont be really efficient way of doing it. We may ask for some parts manufacturing but a larger scale involvement should only come if the numbers are higher and if there is a vision to expand the project to cover medium and light weight utility/transport helicopters in the future.Excellent idea. But we need consistent policy to put it in practice. Quite often policies change with the new chief.
Hmmm, Yeah that will be great as well. Since we are just speculating here how about:
If all these options are looked into then an independent assembly and parts (with increased % now) manufacturing facility at Kamra Aviation City will make perfect sense and will make the project efficient.
- 60 odd attack helicopters
- A twin engine medium lift multi role helicopter in league of Mi-17/AW-139 that can be operated as SAR, Med Evac, VVIP transport, Civil transport, military medium lift helicopter etc. The requirement of such a version will be HUGE and if we can get parts commonality and engine, shaft and gear box commonality with the attack choppers in point 1 then it will be great. There are so many roles they can fit in and so the orders will be much larger than the attack choppers, more to the sound of 120-150 i would say.
- Very light helicopter for training, scout, light attack, reconnaissance, quick insertion and evacuation etc etc. A relatively cheaper helicopter that can find good customers in civilian market as well. This can be a single engine helicopter based on an engine same or derived form the engine of above two options, thus, giving parts commonality again.