Pakistan to ensure Iranian gas flow to India

[illuminatus]

No offence,If Gop cut the gas, How about indus water

I've reported you for causing flame wars. You do this in almost every thread. You don't contribute positively and always post flaming off topic one liners to derail a discussion.

 

[RPK]

so what ever you people say is correct, whatever we say is wrong. the gas flow not even started still it in paper. People here talking about cutting out the gas.

 

[illuminatus]

so what ever you people say is correct, whatever we say is wrong. the gas flow not even started still it in paper. People here talking about cutting out the gas.

You're fully entitled to disagree. It's not about being wrong or right. It's about deliberately posting one liners with foul intentions. This isn't the first thread I've seen you doing this. In almost every thread you post one liners with only one purpose. Almost every single thread where you posted one liners either got off topic or became a flame bait. Yes, I've been observing your behaviour.

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

We should welcome this news, It will supply additional gas to our growing energy demands. China will try all of its tricks to fail it.

If a sabotage will occur then it will be Pakistan's responcibility as per contract. The reputation of Pakistan and the royalty it will recive from it will vanish.

We will not be dependent on it. Since our demands are raising not because of this pipeline but due to our growth.

We have already discovered one of the biggest Gas reserve in KG basin. Then there is proposed gas pipeline with Bangladesh and Myanmar. Also we are making investment and discoveries in Oil & Gas throughout the world including Iran, Oman, Russia, Angola and African countries.

And guys ONGC and Reliance have found some very potential wells in KG basin but are not disclosing just to make more money because of demand and supply gap as soon as there are alternative arrangements they will disclose them to the world.

 

[RPK]

You're fully entitled to disagree. It's not about being wrong or right. It's about deliberately posting one liners with foul intentions. This isn't the first thread I've seen you doing this. In almost every thread you post one liners with only one purpose. Almost every single thread where you posted one liners either got off topic or became a flame bait.

show me my post if i find offtopic i will delete no hard feelings. Iam not troller here.

 

[illuminatus]

We should welcome this news, It will supply additional gas to our growing energy demands. China will try all of its tricks to fail it.

If a sabotage will occur then it will be Pakistan's responcibility as per contract. The reputation of Pakistan and the royalty it will recive from it will vanish.

We will not be dependent on it. Since our demands are raising not because of this pipeline but due to our growth.

We have already discovered one of the biggest Gas reserve in KG basin. Then there is proposed gas pipeline with Bangladesh and Myanmar. Also we are making investment and discoveries in Oil & Gas throughout the world including Iran, Oman, Russia, Angola and African countries.

And guys ONGC and Reliance have found some very potential wells in KG basin but are not disclosing just to make more money because of demand and supply gap as soon as there are alternative arrangements they will disclose them to the world.

^^ By all means, you should instead go for the biggest gas reserve in KG basin. You also opt for the gas pipeline with Myanmar and BD. We're not stopping India from pursuing her interests all over the world. I just cannot see IP project succeeding with Indian inclusion. There are too many disputed that first need to be resolved before we can even talk about such projects. When the disputes are resolved a better and trustworthy relation can develop between both nations such as more trade and energy deals. First resolve all outstanding issues.

 

[illuminatus]

show me my post if i find offtopic i will delete no hard feelings. Iam not troller here.

There are plenty such posts. I'm not going to post anything to prove my point. Let's now stay on topic.

 

[third eye]

Good Move.. That will make India dependent on Pakistan for at least some of its economic requirements and that will be a welcome move for us.

Regarding blocking water, India is already stopping it and a serious decline in the river flow has been observed. By the way, over water issue, UN is the guarantee and no country can get out of agreement unilaterally. India has tired to threaten before but it knows this card will backlash India and will face humiliation + would have to abide by the agreement it accepted. Thats why India is only reducing flow of water and not stopping it altogether. It would be a very serious offense if India does so and would invite Pakistan's aggression on that. BUT the way India has been behaving over the past few years and few months in particular, I can expect it to go out of mind and do something crazy any time soon.

By the way, Niamatullah Shah wali has foretold a limited war around in the Kashmir Region and one can understand what might be cause of that war.

This is precisely why the gas pipeline thru Pk is not a good idea or an option.

Moreover, who in pks guarantees uninterrupted flow ? The civilian govt ?( whose own life line may snap any moment), the Balouchis ? the fundamentalists ? the ISI ? the army ?.. who among the numerous power centers guarantees it ?

The GOP is unable to guarantee gas to all parts of its own nation, wonder how will it ensure passage to a percived hostile nation ?

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...__jqBg&usg=AFQjCNE6NbopfcSeZNY1SHXdu-qtp7THcg

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...__jqBg&usg=AFQjCNE7ciefabil70PZlelVhj5t3CCN2g

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...__jqBg&usg=AFQjCNGoRzduz_tXpRqrnzhwT9Xn_ji2Ng

Lastly, why provide ppl a whipping tool & expose / create a vulnerable side ?

 

[deckingraj]

This is precisely why the gas pipeline thru Pk is not a good idea or an option.

Moreover, who in pks guarantees uninterrupted flow ? The civilian govt ?( whose own life line may snap any moment), the Balouchis ? the fundamentalists ? the ISI ? the army ?.. who among the numerous power centers guarantees it ?

The GOP is unable to guarantee gas to all parts of its own nation, wonder how will it ensure passage to a percived hostile nation ?

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...__jqBg&usg=AFQjCNE6NbopfcSeZNY1SHXdu-qtp7THcg

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...__jqBg&usg=AFQjCNE7ciefabil70PZlelVhj5t3CCN2g

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...__jqBg&usg=AFQjCNGoRzduz_tXpRqrnzhwT9Xn_ji2Ng

Lastly, why provide ppl a whipping tool & expose / create a vulnerable side ?

Can't agree more on this.... I just want to correct my friends who think India is out of IPI pipeline for various reasons and how good this deal is for us..blah blah...

- Please understand that we are not out of this deal.. However this deal was on backburner due to major irritants and of lately got a new life(In other words GOI is pursuing it full guns)

Here are the major irritants

a) GOI don't want Pakistan assurance on delivery of gas.. This would be stupid to agree upon...This is not a deal for a month...we are talking about a deal which will guide our future policies for decades and one would not like to go with a deal as sensitive as this on an assurance from a country with whom we have fought 3 and half wars and who know another in making... Is it fair logic???

b) What GOI want is the assurance of Iran that supply lines will not get disrupted. In other words Iran wants the transit point at Pakistan border where as we are insisting on Indian border... With the transit on Pakistan border Iran's responsibilty is over....with transit on Indian border Iran is liable for supply to reach there... there is a huge difference between two...

c) Price per barrel is comparatively more in Iran and biggest issue is constant changes in those...India want's the price which was offered when deal was in planning stage. However iran has already made changes to price per barrel twice(i read it sometime back but can't find that article)... Thus negotiations are going on to fix the price...

 

[karan.1970]

guys.. India is clearly stated that for it to participate in this project, Iran(who owns the gas) needs to gaurantee supply at the border on India. Which means India pays Iran only when the gas is delivered at the indian border. Pakistan gets paid as a C&F. Earlier Iran was only owning responsibility till it delivered gas to Pakistan for further delivery to India. Hence India backtracked. Without Indian or chinese(who may or may not be interested) this pipeline has no future. Hence the statements from Pakistan about gautanee of supply. But considering the relationship with Pakistan today, this gaurantee will not carry any weight in India.. So the deal is where it was a few weeks back..


Edited Later.. Raj and I posted the same thing together.. Wise men think alike??

 

[pak-yes]

we should not at any price alllow gas for INDIA.

Don't anyone see that how much it will help INDIA and fulfill their energy needs.

We will earn 1 rupee for that gas and it will generate 1000 rupees economic activity in INDIA.Out of which even if INDIAN government generates 100 rupees tax .It means that INDIA will purchase 20 rupees worth of weapons.

So we will be the ultimate losers in the long run.

 

[karan.1970]

we should not at any price alllow gas for INDIA.

Don't anyone see that how much it will help INDIA and fulfill their energy needs.

We will earn 1 rupee for that gas and it will generate 1000 rupees economic activity in INDIA.Out of which even if INDIAN government generates 100 rupees tax .It means that INDIA will purchase 20 rupees worth of weapons.

So we will be the ultimate losers in the long run.

"If Envy were tangible and had a shape, it would be the shape of a boomerang"

Dont worry.. We know this... That's why India will not go for this herself..Remember Nuclear Deal. Also know why Iran did not sour relations with India despite India backing out from this.. Because Iran knows and appreciates that in the present situation, India will never tie itself with something that depends on Pakistan. ...

 

[Hutchroy]

No offence,If Gop cut the gas, How about indus water

Brilliant – Where will you store the waters that have stopped from flowing to Pakistan? Have you got deep Pockets?

Good Move.. That will make India dependent on Pakistan for at least some of its economic requirements and that will be a welcome move for us.

That is the main reason why at the end of the day the Indian Strategists will not agree to Iranian Gas coming to India via a Pipeline through Pakistan.

This is precisely why the gas pipeline thru Pk is not a good idea or an option.

In addition to all the hatred that has been inculcated in the Pakistani people especially by the School Curricula I refer you to the following Article which confirms that the Pakistani Government will not give a guarantee of an uninterrupted flow of the Gas by the pipeline from Iran :

Pakistan not to give guarantee for Iranian gas flows to India

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided not to give any guarantee for gas flows to India through the multi-billion-dollar Iran gas pipeline, it is learnt.

Informed sources told Dawn on Tuesday that Pakistan and Iran had resolved almost all other issues pertaining to the pipeline project, including pricing, project details and quantity of gas to be purchased.

They said that work on the project could be undertaken immediately if Iran did not press Pakistan too much on the guarantee that it had sought to ensure unhindered gas supplies to India through the pipeline.

The sources said Tehran had been told that a friendly project between two neighbourly Muslim countries should not become victim to the interests of a third country and, hence, Iran should not ask Pakistan to guarantee uninterrupted supplies to India given the history of relations between Pakistan and India.

The sources said Iran wanted Pakistan to agree to performance guarantee for gas deliveries if India decided to become part of the tri-nation project. This would require Pakistan to pay penalties to India for gas disruption even in case of sabotage activities or war between the two countries.

The sources said Pakistan was ready to put in place all security measures required to protect the pipeline in the Pakistani territory, but it could not pay the price of gas disruption when its own security was threatened by India itself or any sabotage activity. Pakistan’s defence authorities had also objected to providing iron-clad sovereign guarantees to India for gas supplies through the pipeline crossing Pakistan, the sources added.

India has so far avoided becoming part of the pipeline project although it has been in discussions with Tehran for joining the project and had participated in some trilateral meetings.

The sources said Islamabad required gas supplies from Iran to meet its growing energy needs but it could not compromise its long-term national interests and more so when India and Pakistan could not make any progress to resolve their longstanding issues.
Iran and Pakistan signed gas sales and purchase agreement (GSPA) in June last year under which Islamabad would purchase at least 750 million cubic feet of gas per day (MMCFD) from Tehran’s Southern Pars gas field. The gas supplies could be increased to one BCFD at the time of project implementation, the sources said.

As events show Pakistan is unable to prevent the blowing up of Gas Pipelines taking mostly Sui Gas to other parts of the Country and such, very realistically, cannot guarantee the delivery of Gas to India.

To those Bright Sparks who pontificate that if the Gas does not flow to India then Pakistan will lose earnings by way of Transit : The damage to Indian Industry and Domestic Users would be immense i.e. The Smelters will seize-freeze, the Chemical process will be junked and in General the chaos in indescribable.

The total loss to India could be in the vicinity of Ten Percent of its GDP.

As such India should import Gas in the form of LNG, which it is already doing at Hazira and Dahej as well as the Terminal originally built by Enron in Dabhol.

Two more terminals are coming up in Kochin and possibly in the Gulf of Kutch - it might be near the Reliance Refineries.

 

[deckingraj]

Edited Later.. Raj and I posted the same thing together.. Wise men think alike??

Hahaha....not sure about me but i know i am talking to a wise man..Cheers mate

 

[deckingraj]

we should not at any price alllow gas for INDIA.

Don't anyone see that how much it will help INDIA and fulfill their energy needs.

We will earn 1 rupee for that gas and it will generate 1000 rupees economic activity in INDIA.Out of which even if INDIAN government generates 100 rupees tax .It means that INDIA will purchase 20 rupees worth of weapons.

So we will be the ultimate losers in the long run.

I don't know why such a negative mentality is around....This deal is good for you....You cannot stop progress of India but can check the rising parity by growing yourself....This deal would bring billion of dollars to you in transit....

Anyways your refusal might come or not...but seems we are not interested until the contract is as per our demands...