Pakistan - The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization.

[Yeti]

Next they will say Swastika is their holy sign and Pashupati is a prophet for them

 

[TheSeeker]

umm, no. IVC was a Urbanite civilization, this is evident by their advanced city planning.
lol, your desperate argument about that people were not stable to any particular place is quite false.

The Persians were one of the civilizations that stayed in one place just like the IVC.

I will agree that IVC may have encroached a very small area of "Republic of India's" territory and Afghanistan if we go by the map, but India and Afghanistan cannot claim IVC at all.

It would be like Afghanistan claiming the Mughal empire or the Taj Mahal.

YOu can only be heir of a civilization if you have followed their culture ,religion and scriptures.you people completely changed your culture and religion and this is enough to show that you were ashamed of your forefathers and converted to some arabs cultures otherwise why you left their living manners and cultures.

 

[PakShah]

If you people are proud of being heir of IVC then wtf you people converted to islam by arabs.If you are really proud of beng heir of IVC then you should hava respected your forefather and should hava followed their culture .

We are proud of their scientific achievement and cultural creativity, not their false beliefs.

Please Are you trying to say Muslims cannot claim IVC. Egyptians claim the Egyptian civilization, Iran claims the Persian civilization, and we are taking what rightfully belongs to us.

We took back Gandhara, and now we have taken the IVC civilization which rightfully belongs to us and not India.

YOu can only be heir of a civilization if you have followed their culture ,religion and scriptures.you people completely changed your culture and religion and this is enough to show that you were ashamed of your forefathers and converted to some arabs cultures otherwise why you left their living manners and cultures.

So the Egyptians stopped practising Egyptian paganism, Iranians stopped believing in Zoroastrianism. And us Pakistanis stopped believing in whatever the people of IVC believed in.

I hope we are clear here.

 

[MilSpec]

Your logic is not convincing. In fact your personal insults show your desperation.
Just admit it.

Since Indus River Valley Civilization was mainly in Pakistan, it belong to Pakistan. Just because not that tiny part of IVC is not within in Pakistani borders, does not mean it is belongs also to the neighboring countries.

Its like having the British Empire, Canada being a part of the British empire, and then also calling the British empire the Canadian empire.

The heart of indus river valley civilization was in Pakistan, nearly all the sites are in Pakistan.

You cannot have it both ways.

Same thing about Mughal empire. Just because Mughals controlled Afghanistan, does not make Afghanistan a part of "Republic of India's" history.



Today's "Republic of India" was created by the British. You cant have it both ways. "Republic of India" is a modern creation.

"Republic of India" has not connection the geographical term "India" which have been used by westerners and Greeks to connotate a region between Afghanistan and Myanmar.

And even in some cases including Malaysia and Indonesia as well.

Does "Indonesia" belong to "Republic of India's" history, even though it was under control of the Chola empire.

No it doesn't.

Well we are not printing articles to claim the Nanda, Maurya Sangam, Pandya , chola, Pallava or Sunga Empire. are we? We know our history, we are very proud of it. Our knowledge base and the scriptures have kept these legacies alive with fables, rituals and historical events handed down to us generation by generation. We are secure enough that if an indonesian, combodian or a vietnemese claims he is part of our great heritage, we will whole heartedly accept his claim. The amount of heritage and culture of my land doesn't diminish by sharing it's legacy.

As far as legacy of india/Bharat/Hindustan is concerned, it transcends the myopic timeline that you refer to. The terms Bharat/Hindustan/India are timeless, Every citizen of India proudly wears the legacy of the history of the land hence feels the pride to call himself from "India", You can call your self to be a pakistani, but you were always the part of ancient India and it's vast fabric of culture and history, now unless you have some arabic beginnings.

We are more than happy to share our name/culture/history, and we proudly say that we are the flag bearers of India (ancient-mughal-maratha-british- all of it)

 

[PakShah]

Well we are not printing articles to claim the Nanda, Maurya Sangam, Pandya , chola, Pallava or Sunga Empire. are we? We know our history, we are very proud of it. Our knowledge base and the scriptures have kept these legacies alive with fables, rituals and historical events handed down to us generation by generation. We are secure enough that if an indonesian, combodian or a vietnemese claims he is part of our great heritage, we will whole heartedly accept his claim. The amount of heritage and culture of my land doesn't diminish by sharing it's legacy.

As far as legacy of india/Bharat/Hindustan is concerned, it transcends the myopic timeline that you refer to. The terms Bharat/Hindustan/India are timeless, Every citizen of India proudly wears the legacy of the history of the land hence feels the pride to call himself from "India", You can call your self to be a pakistani, but you were always the part of ancient India and it's vast fabric of culture and history, now unless you have some arabic beginnings.

We are more than happy to share our name/culture/history, and we proudly say that we are the flag bearers of India (ancient-mughal-maratha-british- all of it)

lol you are going on a tangent. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

History of Indonesia has nothing to do with the history of "Republic of India" as much as Pakistan and Afghanistan do.

lol about you claiming Cambodians and Vietnamese claiming to be a part of Indian civilization. LOL

What is Indian civilization if there is one? You consider "Republic of India" to be a civilziation it was created in 1947
.

Just stop trolling and accept your defeat. histories of Pakistan, Indonesia, and Afghanistan to not belong to "Republic of India's" history.



lol, Back off, we Pakistani have nothing to do with you Indians, other than the fact we share a border.

 

[MilSpec]

lol you are going on a tangent. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

History of Indonesia has nothing to do with the history of "Republic of India" as much as Pakistan and Afghanistan do.

lol about you claiming Cambodians and Vietnamese claiming to be a part of Indian civilization. LOL

What is Indian civilization if there is one? You consider "Republic of India" to be a civilziation it was created in 1947
.

Just stop trolling and accept your defeat. histories of Pakistan, Indonesia, and Afghanistan to not belong to "Republic of India's" history.



lol, Back off, we Pakistani have nothing to do with you Indians, other than the fact we share a border.

Your lack of comprehension skills is not my problem. read again, it might help

 

[Black Widow]

Islam spread by the sword in India? Why is India still a Hindu majority country?

Islam did not spread by the sword. By your logic if 8 billion people say that the world is a cube, when the world is a oval, does that make the world any less oval. No it doesn't.

As I said in my post, this is what we believed based on assumption, history and anecdotes. Another question arises why Muslim counldn't converted Entire India...


Trust me Its favorite subject for Arabs, once one Arab in Harward asked Mr Swamy, "Mr Swamy, I am doing my doctorate on religion, and I am still wondering how arabs were unable to convert India into Islam??"

The possible answer could be:
1. Hindus are flexible, the flexibility saved us in transition phase.
2. Rajputana was our shield, it was never broken, Even Mughal ruled the Delhi, they never had control over Rajputana.
3. The Rajputana was alliance of Mughals, not slave, the religion was affairs of Rajputana.
4. The Marathwara was our south post, Maratha stopped Islam to spread in south.
5. Indian terrain was not like Persia where all persian were converted in 2 decades.
6. Sufism: Though most Muslim in India (Pak, Aghan) were converted by Sword, some were by Sufism, the Sufi were against sword, Sufi in a way protect Hinduism.
7. Sikhism: Sikhism was also one of our post, which save India form Islamic invasion. We are greatful to Sikh Gurus.

and like wise there were many reason which stopped sword loving Islamic invadors to turn India into Persia...

 

[bronxbull]

pakistan is the true heir of the indus valley civilization,

indian trolls dont waste time here.

 

[Yeti]

Everyone knows the story of Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur who was tortured and killed for refusing to convert to Islam (God bless his soul) and there were millions who met with the same fate during the bloody rule of Aurangzeb.

 

[zootinali]

Pakistan is only inheritor of some of the ruins of IVC , as for the civilization part, need we give any evidence????

 

[Sv01]

At the end of all the brouhaha ... What difference does it make? Claim what you will, we'll claim what we will....and to no one will it make any difference. And yet we continue beating around the same bush.

 

[Asian.Century]

No doubt Pakistan: Origins of Indus Valley Civilization early roots and expansion into Afghanistan originating from Pakistan, truly belonging to Pakistan Indus Valley Civilization :

 

[RKO]

Ok.... agreed!!!! Now go Party

 

[Asian.Century]

A Muslim majority Indus Valley Civilization?

Who are we? For most of our history we have been caught between competing ideas about Pakistan. Is it a land for Muslims? What does an Islamic identity mean for the indigenous cultures of Punjab, Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Gilgit–Baltistan and the people who migrated to India?

Greatness is created through synthesis, and when old ideas are challenged by new paradigms. The decade of the 1940s saw the North East states of British India challenged by secular Muslim nationalism. What does that mean to us? We are still in the process of understanding it. But in doing so, we have relied on too many easy answers. Our national identity is based on repudiation; we choose to identify ourselves in the negative: we are not India. Our inability to step forward is because we have failed to create any synthesis from the social and political currents available to us. Let us then challenge our paralysis and press forward with our inquiry — let us seek to imagine who we are, and who we could be.

Our history does not start with 1947, nor with Muhammed bin Qasim’s (in)famous and glorified conquest of Sindh. Those events are important but form an incomplete story of our past. Our heritage goes back to the Indus Valley Civilization, one of the first people to build the great cities of Moenjadaro and Harappa, a complex language and mathematical system, and centers of commerce in Asia. The source of this great civilization was the Indus River whose mighty banks nourished and fed its people. Today it is not nuclear weapons that protect our country but the Indus, whose artery and tributaries provide the life flow of our country. By remembering that we are the heirs of the Indus Valley Civilization, we can shift our focus from the anti to the river itself. We can concentrate on protecting our environment and saving the river that is literally the lifeblood of the country, and the source of our food and electricity. We are a natural nation bound by the Indus, if the Indus dries out the country will collapse.

This doesn’t mean that we completely ignore the advent of the Mughals, the conquest of the British, the height of Hindu-Muslim unity during the war of independence and its subsequent breakdown, despite the best efforts of members of the leadership class. And of course, the bloodshed in the years leading to Partition – events which concluded that religion was going to play a role, however so undefined, in the consciousness of the masses of Pakistan.

While religion comes from the same source, it is up to different countries and peoples on how to interpret it to enrich their lives. That is why the Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia is different from the one practiced in most of Pakistan. The role of religion (in all of its cultural, spiritual, non-denominational and ritual manifestations) will remain in society. What is important is for thinkers to channel it into a force that is creative and not destructive, inclusive and pluralistic, not one that imposes its will on the unwilling. One that is large enough to include free thinkers and conservative clerics. One that encourages selfishness and a spirit of citizenship. One that convinces individuals that they have greater aims than their everyday jobs, but does not encourage utopian personalities or apocalyptic thinking.

What is the relationship between the pre-Islamic, pre-Christian Indus Valley Civilization to today’s Islamic Republic of Pakistan? These two strands of the secular and religious deliberately create a powerful contradiction. Contradictions are good because they deny any single understanding of morality and create a vibrant society through debate and compromise.

Embracing our Indus past will enable us to reject Arab cultural imperialism in the name of religion, and will help us discard the Two-Nation Theory. We will be focused not on fighting wars with India, but in making the greatest cities in the world. Cities like those of the past, which valued trade and commerce and became the hub of Indo-Persian-Chinese commerce. Let our market places be flooded by people from all over the world and be a blend of cultures. We will be a country that celebrates diversity; ethnic diversity of the many languages and cultures around the ecosystem of the great river, and religious diversity, for it will be a country for (all types of) Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs who can respect this ecosystem. It will be a country that empowers its minorities. And once religion is prevented from being abused we can truly reconcile it with modernity and our legacy of British constitutionalism.

Once our conscious awakens to this idea, we will be a renewed nation. On the crumbling edifices of Moenjadaro and Harappa we will once more build great cities, and build a great country.

Source: A Muslim majority Indus Valley Civilization?

 

[The SC]

why we should?Ask any indian,they always claim their history from the ancient vedic past and we dont suffer from identity crisis like paksitanis do.Yes,in 47 a new nation called pakistan formed and only that nation is looking for some place in history we dont.
Your identity is islam as many of you mentioned and it dint come from sub continent but from middle east and people living in sub continent as converted ones but earlier they used to be part of vedic civilization which is thousand of years ago from the time of mahabharat and ramayan or period of krishna or Ram..

All the major, very old and mysteriously advanced civilizations of the Nile, the fertile crescent and the Hindus valley converted to Islam, would that ring a bell?