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Pakistan - The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization.

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lol, INdia claiming IVC, is like Pakistan trying to claim Taj Mahal.

Indian members please give us a break. The answer is obvious Pakistan has no claim on Taj Mahal as India has no claim on IVC.

Case closed, and everybody be happy now, because WE KNOW THE TRUTH!
 
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The vision of Pakistan’s founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in the 1940s did not only constitute creation of a Muslim political entity at the expense of India’s Hindu domination. It was also embedded in thousands of years of historical and geographical realities. These aspects clearly emerge from Jinnah’s interviews given to foreign correspondents where he described the geopolitical importance of Pakistan. The two nation reality also did not emerge only because of the differences between Hindu and Muslim peoples. It was an outcome of thousands of years of historical, geographical and genetic distinction between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those occupying the Gangetic plains.
Extent of the Indus Valley Civilization imposed over modern borders

Extent of the Indus Valley Civilization imposed over modern borders

The existence of Indus Valley Civilization emerged though the ruins at Harappa in Punjab, Pakistan which were first described by Charles Masson in 1842, in his “Narrative of Various Journeys in Balochistan, Afghanistan, and the Punjab.” Though the site was visited by General Alexander Cunningham in 1856, who later headed the archeological survey of northern India, it was in 1921-22 that the excavations began which unearthed the great civilization buried under the sand for thousands of years.

The irony of it all was that it was General Alexander Cunningham who allowed East Indian Railways which was constructing railway line between the cities of Lahore and Karachi, to use the ancient bricks recovered from these sites as track ballast for the 150 kilometers of nearby stretch and thus destroyed much of the city of Harappa (3300 BC – 1300 BC). Mohenjodaro (2600 BC – 1900 BC) in Sindh, Pakistan was excavated by 1931. Mehrgarh (7000 BC -. 2500 BC) in Balochistan, Pakistan was discovered in 1974 and the excavations continued from 1974-86 and again from 1997-2000. Rehman Dheri (4000 BC) in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was excavated from 1976-1980. Based on recent evidence and analyses, archeologists and historians have proclaimed that Indus Valley Civilization is over 9000 years old, making it one of the oldest civilizations of the world.

The South Asian subcontinent is principally divided into two major geographical regions; the Indus Valley and its westerly inclined tributaries, and the Ganges Valley with its easterly inclined tributaries. In his book, “The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan,” Aitzaz Ahsan identifies the geographical divide between these two regions as the Gurdaspur-Kathiawar salient, a watershed which is southwesterly inclined down to the Arabian Sea. This watershed also depicted the dividing line between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those of Gangetic plains and also corresponds almost exactly with the current day Pakistan-India border.

Historically, only the Mauryas, Muslims and the British amalgamated these two regions as a unified state. For most of the remaining history, when one empire did not rule both the regions as a unified state, the Indus Valley Civilizational domain was always governed as one separate political entity.

Rather than an unnatural creation as propounded by many, Pakistan much more than the Gangetic plains, is an appropriate and modern embodiment of thousands of years old Indus Valley Civilization. The historical, geographical and its people’s organic linkages with Arab, Persian, Turkic and South Central Asian populace also clearly differentiates it as a distinct and definite independent identity as compared to the rest of India.

The discovery of Indus Valley Civilization in the run up to 1947 independence of Pakistan and India provided Indian nationalist Hindus an opportunity, to embed their Vedic Hindu cultural identity in a civilization, which was one of the oldest civilizations on earth and also predated emergence of Islam. However, the later identification of emergence of Vedic Hindu cultural traditions between 1500 – 600 BC, discounted such linkages. Also, the fact that Indus Valley Civilization’s cultural moorings were discovered mainly in the Indus River Valley, and partly in Ghaggar-Hakra basin and in the Doab, these cultural moorings did not find an extension into the central and lower Ganges Valley in the eastern and central Indian plains. The presence of fortified cities, town planning and drainage system, depiction of specialized epic art form and the architecture of burnt bricks, sea trade, use of seals, weights, measures and script and the custom of burying the dead in cemeteries, presented clear differentiation because of the absence of such depiction in Vedic Hindu literature and culture.

Many adherents of Indian Hindu nationalist ideology believed that India was and is a primarily Hindu nation and has Hindu religious culture in continuity from Vedic Aryans. The mosaic of cultures of the past evolving into composite Indian Hindu culture through the process of history was not based on archeological evidence but what they essentially believed in. In many cases distorting and manipulating or even forging the mute archaeological evidence through depiction of fire places as fire altars, waste pits as sacrificial pits in Harappan era sites and the imaginary reading of Sanskrit legends, was quoted in order to suit their pseudo-ideological and opportunistic interests.

Between 1900-1300 BC the civilization declined and there were no more references to Meluhha (Mesopotamian name for Indus Valley Civilization landmass) in Mesopotamian finds. However, the people who made up this great civilization continued living in places like Mehrgarh, Harappa, Mohenjodaro and other settlements long after that.

The legacy of Indus Valley Civilization lives on in present day Pakistan. Amongst some of the aspects that can still be traced to this legacy are the trade and commerce routes developed by the mentors of this great civilization. Ships from Meluhha regularly sailed from locations near modern day city of Karachi for the ports of Babylon. And they evidently made stops all along the way, as indicated through discovery of seals found in Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain as well.

The city of Peshawar lies on what is thought to have been one of their main overland trade routes. That route is now a major highway that constitutes the eastern approach to the Khyber Pass and links the northwestern Indus River Plain to the highlands of Afghanistan and Central Asia. An old branch of the route runs from Peshawar, south into rugged tribal territory, through the Pakistani cities of Kohat and Bannu and the foothills of the Suleiman Mountains down across the Gomal Plain to the early historical site of Rehman Dheri.

After the decline of this civilization, the religion and language of which has still not been deciphered, at different times these people followed Vedic Hindu culture and traditions, also adopted Buddhism and in the end embraced Islam and are now overwhelmingly Muslim.

The core spread of Indus Valley Civilization primarily lay in Pakistan. The three major cities and many other sites which represent the core of Indus Valley Civilization are all located in Pakistan. However, the Indians still refer to India as the “Home of Indus Valley Civilization,” which is surprising and indeed a misnomer. India needs to realign its history and should seek its identity in its own legacy instead of claiming something to which they do not belong to.

It is the people of Pakistan who represent one of the oldest civilizations on earth. Indus Valley Civilization’s legacy is linked to Pakistan and this fact cannot be denied. The people of Pakistan thus rightly claim to be the true heirs of Indus Valley Civilization.

Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization - Analysis Eurasia Review

you paople are brainwashed from childhood.have not you people studied history of indus vally civilization that they were worshing pashupati(lord shiva)and devi(goddess).They were following veda.They were speaking Sanskrit.
wake up from your dilemma .lol
 
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Lothal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lothal (Gujarati: લોથલ loˑt̪ʰəl) is one of the most prominent cities of the ancient Indus valley civilization

Whats your point? Even Afghanistan can say they have a stake in Indus River Valley civilization by your logic.

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Pakistan was built by partitioning British India as a separate state political representation of Muslims. It was not made for representation of heirs of IVC.

people on the forum trying to claim/classify 3000 years of history of the land by the division made on land that are barely 65 years old are nothing but bonkers.

Pakistani people can claim whatever they want, there are muslims who migrated from hyderabad might have had ancestors belonging to mauryas dynasties. No one is stopping people from claiming their ancestry, but a nation state building a rhetoric to claim that it is the heir to a civilization is just ridiculous.

I mean we have ISRO222, and he claims a lot of things, no one stops him, but now if govt of India starts doing similar things, then it becomes a problem. :)
 
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Now when it is clear that most of Pakistani are converted Muslims, very few are descendent of Invadors and Settlers. Though all Muslim disagree that they were converted by sword and torture (Socially and economically torture), almost all non Muslim believe that Islam in India was spread by sword and torture. The violent nature of Indian subcontinent Muslims endorse non-Muslims believe.

Coming to Topic: By sharing/occupying land Pakistani can't claim "heir of IVC". Icewolf and Zarvan, Son of soil means person who believe in his custom, culture. The day your forfathers converted to Islam, you lost that privilege. By owning Pakistan you can't claim to be son of soil. when Hinduism had some corruption you left Hinduism. Today when Islam is worldwide critisize you will leave Islam, is it what you mean by son of soil?? Every culture see its Nadir some time, was it wise to run away from religion??

If you can convert once, you can convert again as well.

The IVC: Pakistan is a country which was born on theory that Islam is different culture (different than Hinduism, Xianism, Sikhism etc) and Islam can't co-exist with other religion. If Islam is different culture how can you "defender of Islam" trying unIslamic things???
 
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Let them believe what they want the Swastika seals and Pashupati seals is prove enough and world history is on our side why we care about a article some Pakistani wrote? lol
 
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you paople are brainwashed from childhood.have not you people studied history of indus vally civilization that they were worshing pashupati(lord shiva)and devi(goddess).They were following veda.They were speaking Sanskrit.
wake up from your dilemma .lol
Your logic is not convincing. In fact your personal insults show your desperation.
Just admit it.

Since Indus River Valley Civilization was mainly in Pakistan, it belong to Pakistan. Just because not that tiny part of IVC is not within in Pakistani borders, does not mean it is belongs also to the neighboring countries.

Its like having the British Empire, Canada being a part of the British empire, and then also calling the British empire the Canadian empire.

The heart of indus river valley civilization was in Pakistan, nearly all the sites are in Pakistan.

You cannot have it both ways.

Same thing about Mughal empire. Just because Mughals controlled Afghanistan, does not make Afghanistan a part of "Republic of India's" history.

Pakistan was built by partitioning British India as a separate state political representation of Muslims. It was not made for representation of heirs of IVC.

people on the forum trying to claim/classify 3000 years of history of the land by the division made on land that are barely 65 years old are nothing but bonkers.

Pakistani people can claim whatever they want, there are muslims who migrated from hyderabad might have had ancestors belonging to mauryas dynasties. No one is stopping people from claiming their ancestry, but a nation state building a rhetoric to claim that it is the heir to a civilization is just ridiculous.

I mean we have ISRO222, and he claims a lot of things, no one stops him, but now if govt of India starts doing similar things, then it becomes a problem. :)

Today's "Republic of India" was created by the British. You cant have it both ways. "Republic of India" is a modern creation.

"Republic of India" has not connection the geographical term "India" which have been used by westerners and Greeks to connotate a region between Afghanistan and Myanmar.

And even in some cases including Malaysia and Indonesia as well.

Does "Indonesia" belong to "Republic of India's" history, even though it was under control of the Chola empire.

No it doesn't.
 
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Now when it is clear that most of Pakistani are converted Muslims, very few are descendent of Invadors and Settlers. Though all Muslim disagree that they were converted by sword and torture (Socially and economically torture), almost all non Muslim believe that Islam in India was spread by sword and torture. The violent nature of Indian subcontinent Muslims endorse non-Muslims believe.

Coming to Topic: By sharing/occupying land Pakistani can't claim "heir of IVC". Icewolf and Zarvan, Son of soil means person who believe in his custom, culture. The day your forfathers converted to Islam, you lost that privilege. By owning Pakistan you can't claim to be son of soil. when Hinduism had some corruption you left Hinduism. Today when Islam is worldwide critisize you will leave Islam, is it what you mean by son of soil?? Every culture see its Nadir some time, was it wise to run away from religion??

If you can convert once, you can convert again as well.

The IVC: Pakistan is a country which was born on theory that Islam is different culture (different than Hinduism, Xianism, Sikhism etc) and Islam can't co-exist with other religion. If Islam is different culture how can you "defender of Islam" trying unIslamic things???

Islam spread by the sword in India? Why is India still a Hindu majority country?

Islam did not spread by the sword. By your logic if 8 billion people say that the world is a cube, when the world is a oval, does that make the world any less oval. No it doesn't.
 
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Whats your point? Even Afghanistan can say they have a stake in Indus River Valley civilization by your logic.

Civilt%C3%A0ValleIndoMappa.png

only those cities(harrapa,mohenjoderoetc) were not the civilization.through the map you can know that the whole colored part is indus valley civilization.Any ways in those days no group of people were stable to any particular place.May be people of IVC migrated to some other place.Only the current pakistan can be said as IVC location not the pakistani
 
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First Pakistani decide what they are??
a) Converted local (Hindu)
b) descendent of Invadors
c) Arab Settelars


Based on these we will decide who is " True Heir Of Indus Valley" ..

:P
We don't usually keep records but it's undeniable we're a mix pure locals, and settler local hybrids. It's common sense that no one can be pure anything, even the syeds

First Pakistani decide what they are??
a) Converted local (Hindu)
b) descendent of Invadors
c) Arab Settelars


Based on these we will decide who is " True Heir Of Indus Valley" ..

:P
We don't usually keep records but it's undeniable we're a mix pure locals, and settler local hybrids. It's common sense that no one can be pure anything, even the syeds
 
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only those cities(harrapa,mohenjoderoetc) were not the civilization.through the map you can know that the whole colored part is indus valley civilization.Any ways in those days no group of people were stable to any particular place.May be people of IVC migrated to some other place.Only the current pakistan can be said as IVC location not the pakistani

umm, no. IVC was a Urbanite civilization, this is evident by their advanced city planning.
lol, your desperate argument about that people were not stable to any particular place is quite false.

The Persians were one of the civilizations that stayed in one place just like the IVC.

I will agree that IVC may have encroached a very small area of "Republic of India's" territory and Afghanistan if we go by the map, but India and Afghanistan cannot claim IVC at all.

It would be like Afghanistan claiming the Mughal empire or the Taj Mahal.
 
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Your logic is not convincing. In fact your personal insults show your desperation.
Just admit it.

Since Indus River Valley Civilization was mainly in Pakistan, it belong to Pakistan. Just because not that tiny part of IVC is not within in Pakistani borders, does not mean it is belongs also to the neighboring countries.

Its like having the British Empire, Canada being a part of the British empire, and then also calling the British empire the Canadian empire.

The heart of indus river valley civilization was in Pakistan, nearly all the sites are in Pakistan.

You cannot have it both ways.

Same thing about Mughal empire. Just because Mughals controlled Afghanistan, does not make Afghanistan a part of "Republic of India's" history.



Today's "Republic of India" was created by the British. You cant have it both ways. "Republic of India" is a modern creation.

"Republic of India" has not connection the geographical term "India" which have been used by westerners and Greeks to connotate a region between Afghanistan and Myanmar.

And even in some cases including Malaysia and Indonesia as well.

Does "Indonesia" belong to "Republic of India's" history, even though it was under control of the Chola empire.

No it doesn't.

If you people are proud of being heir of IVC then wtf you people converted to islam by arabs.If you are really proud of beng heir of IVC then you should hava respected your forefather and should hava followed their culture .
 
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The vision of Pakistan’s founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in the 1940s did not only constitute creation of a Muslim political entity at the expense of India’s Hindu domination. It was also embedded in thousands of years of historical and geographical realities. These aspects clearly emerge from Jinnah’s interviews given to foreign correspondents where he described the geopolitical importance of Pakistan. The two nation reality also did not emerge only because of the differences between Hindu and Muslim peoples. It was an outcome of thousands of years of historical, geographical and genetic distinction between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those occupying the Gangetic plains.
Extent of the Indus Valley Civilization imposed over modern borders

Extent of the Indus Valley Civilization imposed over modern borders

The existence of Indus Valley Civilization emerged though the ruins at Harappa in Punjab, Pakistan which were first described by Charles Masson in 1842, in his “Narrative of Various Journeys in Balochistan, Afghanistan, and the Punjab.” Though the site was visited by General Alexander Cunningham in 1856, who later headed the archeological survey of northern India, it was in 1921-22 that the excavations began which unearthed the great civilization buried under the sand for thousands of years.

The irony of it all was that it was General Alexander Cunningham who allowed East Indian Railways which was constructing railway line between the cities of Lahore and Karachi, to use the ancient bricks recovered from these sites as track ballast for the 150 kilometers of nearby stretch and thus destroyed much of the city of Harappa (3300 BC – 1300 BC). Mohenjodaro (2600 BC – 1900 BC) in Sindh, Pakistan was excavated by 1931. Mehrgarh (7000 BC -. 2500 BC) in Balochistan, Pakistan was discovered in 1974 and the excavations continued from 1974-86 and again from 1997-2000. Rehman Dheri (4000 BC) in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa was excavated from 1976-1980. Based on recent evidence and analyses, archeologists and historians have proclaimed that Indus Valley Civilization is over 9000 years old, making it one of the oldest civilizations of the world.

The South Asian subcontinent is principally divided into two major geographical regions; the Indus Valley and its westerly inclined tributaries, and the Ganges Valley with its easterly inclined tributaries. In his book, “The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan,” Aitzaz Ahsan identifies the geographical divide between these two regions as the Gurdaspur-Kathiawar salient, a watershed which is southwesterly inclined down to the Arabian Sea. This watershed also depicted the dividing line between the peoples of Indus Valley Civilization and those of Gangetic plains and also corresponds almost exactly with the current day Pakistan-India border.

Historically, only the Mauryas, Muslims and the British amalgamated these two regions as a unified state. For most of the remaining history, when one empire did not rule both the regions as a unified state, the Indus Valley Civilizational domain was always governed as one separate political entity.

Rather than an unnatural creation as propounded by many, Pakistan much more than the Gangetic plains, is an appropriate and modern embodiment of thousands of years old Indus Valley Civilization. The historical, geographical and its people’s organic linkages with Arab, Persian, Turkic and South Central Asian populace also clearly differentiates it as a distinct and definite independent identity as compared to the rest of India.

The discovery of Indus Valley Civilization in the run up to 1947 independence of Pakistan and India provided Indian nationalist Hindus an opportunity, to embed their Vedic Hindu cultural identity in a civilization, which was one of the oldest civilizations on earth and also predated emergence of Islam. However, the later identification of emergence of Vedic Hindu cultural traditions between 1500 – 600 BC, discounted such linkages. Also, the fact that Indus Valley Civilization’s cultural moorings were discovered mainly in the Indus River Valley, and partly in Ghaggar-Hakra basin and in the Doab, these cultural moorings did not find an extension into the central and lower Ganges Valley in the eastern and central Indian plains. The presence of fortified cities, town planning and drainage system, depiction of specialized epic art form and the architecture of burnt bricks, sea trade, use of seals, weights, measures and script and the custom of burying the dead in cemeteries, presented clear differentiation because of the absence of such depiction in Vedic Hindu literature and culture.

Many adherents of Indian Hindu nationalist ideology believed that India was and is a primarily Hindu nation and has Hindu religious culture in continuity from Vedic Aryans. The mosaic of cultures of the past evolving into composite Indian Hindu culture through the process of history was not based on archeological evidence but what they essentially believed in. In many cases distorting and manipulating or even forging the mute archaeological evidence through depiction of fire places as fire altars, waste pits as sacrificial pits in Harappan era sites and the imaginary reading of Sanskrit legends, was quoted in order to suit their pseudo-ideological and opportunistic interests.

Between 1900-1300 BC the civilization declined and there were no more references to Meluhha (Mesopotamian name for Indus Valley Civilization landmass) in Mesopotamian finds. However, the people who made up this great civilization continued living in places like Mehrgarh, Harappa, Mohenjodaro and other settlements long after that.

The legacy of Indus Valley Civilization lives on in present day Pakistan. Amongst some of the aspects that can still be traced to this legacy are the trade and commerce routes developed by the mentors of this great civilization. Ships from Meluhha regularly sailed from locations near modern day city of Karachi for the ports of Babylon. And they evidently made stops all along the way, as indicated through discovery of seals found in Oman, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain as well.

The city of Peshawar lies on what is thought to have been one of their main overland trade routes. That route is now a major highway that constitutes the eastern approach to the Khyber Pass and links the northwestern Indus River Plain to the highlands of Afghanistan and Central Asia. An old branch of the route runs from Peshawar, south into rugged tribal territory, through the Pakistani cities of Kohat and Bannu and the foothills of the Suleiman Mountains down across the Gomal Plain to the early historical site of Rehman Dheri.

After the decline of this civilization, the religion and language of which has still not been deciphered, at different times these people followed Vedic Hindu culture and traditions, also adopted Buddhism and in the end embraced Islam and are now overwhelmingly Muslim.

The core spread of Indus Valley Civilization primarily lay in Pakistan. The three major cities and many other sites which represent the core of Indus Valley Civilization are all located in Pakistan. However, the Indians still refer to India as the “Home of Indus Valley Civilization,” which is surprising and indeed a misnomer. India needs to realign its history and should seek its identity in its own legacy instead of claiming something to which they do not belong to.

It is the people of Pakistan who represent one of the oldest civilizations on earth. Indus Valley Civilization’s legacy is linked to Pakistan and this fact cannot be denied. The people of Pakistan thus rightly claim to be the true heirs of Indus Valley Civilization.

Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization - Analysis Eurasia Review

Indeed, this article obviously brings convincing evidence such as the Gurdaspur-Kathiwar salient and the the major cities of IVC were mostly in Pakistan.

Good and convincing article.

Indians do need to wake up that IVC does not belong to the history of the modern day "Republic of India."
 
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