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Pakistan - The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization.

Periodization of Indus Valley civilization

Dates Phase Era
7000–5500 BCE Mehrgarh I (aceramic Neolithic) Early Food-Producing Era
5500–3300 Mehrgarh II-VI (ceramic Neolithic) Regionalisation Era
3300–2600 Early Harappan
3300–2800 Harappan 1 (Ravi Phase)
2800–2600 Harappan 2 (Kot Diji Phase, Nausharo I, Mehrgarh VII)
2600–1900 Mature Harappan (Indus Valley Civilization) Integration Era
2600–2450 Harappan 3A (Nausharo II)
2450–2200 Harappan 3B
2200–1900 Harappan 3C
1900–1300 Late Harappan (Cemetery H); Ochre Coloured Pottery Localisation Era
1900–1700 Harappan 4
1700–1300 Harappan 5
1300–300 Painted Gray Ware, Northern Black Polished Ware (Iron Age) Indo-Gangetic Tradition
 
Mesopotamia also included some parts of Syria and Iran

Well, if you look fixed border you won't find it. Even in the case of Indian civilization, in the antiquity the geography, land East of Indus from Gandhara in far north-west to Dravida in South India was India according to ancient Indian scriptures and books.
 
The Origins of Hinduism can be traced to Indus Valley Civilization.

The term "Hinduism" derives from a Persian word that refers to the Sindhu (or Indus) river in northwest India; "Hindu" was first used in the 14th century by Arabs, Persians, and Afghans to describe the peoples of the region. By the end of the 19th century, "Hinduism" was adopted by the British colonial administration in India to describe the various religious beliefs and practices of the majority of India's population.

It is, however, extremely difficult to say when Hinduism began. The tradition itself maintains that it is a timeless religion that has always existed. Historians generally hold that the origins of what we call Hinduism can be traced to the ancient Indus Valley civilization. This would mean that the religion is over 4,000 years old, although it is a dynamic religious tradition that has continued to develop and evolve.

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One way to understand the origins of Hinduism is to divide it into several overlapping historical periods. The first is really a pre-Hindu period, the Indus Valley Civilization, which dates to around 2000 B.C.E., and was located, as the name implies, in the region of the great Indus (or "Sindhu") river, in northwest India. Although relatively little remains of this civilization, fairly extensive archaeological evidence indicates that its religion was centered on various fertility goddesses and the purifying qualities of water. Sometime between 2000 and 1500 B.C.E., a new religion began to emerge in India, the religion of the Vedas.
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Some scholars hold that this religion was brought to India by nomadic, horse-riding warriors, a group known as the Aryans, from the steppes of central Asia. This has, in recent years, become a matter of some dispute in India. Regardless of where they came from, the Aryans practiced a sacrifice-based religion that was centered around the purifying and transformative qualities of fire, and that was oriented toward influencing a vast array of powerful gods, called devas.

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Many of these gods were personifications of natural elements—wind, fire, water—while others were warrior-like figures. The Vedas, a vast corpus of mythological and ritual texts, describe this divine pantheon, as well as prescribe, sometimes in great detail, the rituals to be performed to keep these gods "happy," and thus insure that they benignly interact with the human realm.

VEDIC TEXTS
  1. the Rigveda: hymns (for the chief priest to recite)
  2. the Yajurveda: formulas (for the priest to recite)
  3. the Samaveda: formulas (for the priest to chant)
  4. the Atharvaveda: collection of stories, spells, and charms
The religious realm of the Vedas is centered on the proper performance of ritual sacrifice, which, essentially, involves the offering something of value—an animal or food—in order to receive the favor of the gods; there are Vedic rituals intended to gain wealth, sons, protection, and abundant crops.

The ritual priests of the Vedas were a group known as the Brahmins. They were entrusted with the sacred texts and with the performance of the rituals. Sometime after 1000 B.C.E., some of these priests began to ask whether there might not be more than this ritual world of exchange in which the "payoff" of religious action was largely material wellbeing.
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Some began to reject the rituals and their material trappings. They renounced the material and social world, and focused instead on asceticism and meditation. Gradually a new body of philosophically-oriented texts, the Upanishads—sometimes referred to as Vedanta, the end (or completion) of the Vedas—began to emerge.

Unlike the Vedic world of ritual exchange between humans and gods, the Upanishads present a philosophically speculative worldview. They put forward the idea that the material world is not, in fact, "real," but only an illusion that is created by ignorance. What is real is an abstract divine principle, Brahman. The Upanishads focused on how to free oneself from the bonds of material attachments, and thereby attain a state of oneness with Brahman.

List of "principal" Upanishads
(there are over 100 others)
  1. Aitareya
  2. Brhadaranyaka
  3. Taittiriya
  4. Chandogya
  5. Kena
  6. Isa
  7. Svetasvatara
  8. Katha
  9. Mundaka
  10. Mandukya
  11. Mandukya
What is sometimes called "classical" (or "Epic") Hinduism emerges sometime after the Upanishads. In this period, which begins around 500 B.C.E., the major gods and goddesses of Hinduism—Vishnu, Shiva, Krishna, Parvati, Lakshmi—develop their "personalities" through a vast corpus of myths. Innumerable new gods and goddesses emerge, as do a multitude of ritual— many based on the earlier Vedas—and forms of veneration. Devotional traditions also emerge, in which the strictly ordered world of sacrifice is supplanted by loving devotion to individual gods and goddesses.

Early periods of Hinduism
Indus Valley Civilization 2500-1500 BCE
Vedic Civilization 1500-500 BCE
Rigvedic period 1500-1000 BCE
Brahmanism 1000-500 BCE
Epic period after 500 BCE
Hinduism is a perpetually evolving collection of an astounding array of philosophical and ritual and devotional traditions. There is no founder, and although historians may attempt to assign an historical "beginning," really there is no moment of origin. Indeed, Hindus often refer to their religion as "sanatana dharma"—the timeless, eternal truth.
 
they had another form of paganism similar to Buddhism.

Mauryan king Ashoka introduced Buddhism in Gandhara, and Hinduism Buddhism and Jainism was often practised simultaneously all across India.
 
We didn't COME from anywhere. We are the indigenous people of this land NOT you. We gave up an outdated way of life which didn't serve our social mobility or aspirations, doesn't mean you have the right to claim our cultural heritage or we have broken from it somehow.
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Dont mistak me but you need to respect ur ancestors. In other words they are ur elders, if you like it or not.
 
Periodization of Indus Valley civilization

Dates Phase Era
7000–5500 BCE Mehrgarh I (aceramic Neolithic) Early Food-Producing Era
5500–3300 Mehrgarh II-VI (ceramic Neolithic) Regionalisation Era
3300–2600 Early Harappan
3300–2800 Harappan 1 (Ravi Phase)
2800–2600 Harappan 2 (Kot Diji Phase, Nausharo I, Mehrgarh VII)
2600–1900 Mature Harappan (Indus Valley Civilization) Integration Era
2600–2450 Harappan 3A (Nausharo II)
2450–2200 Harappan 3B
2200–1900 Harappan 3C
1900–1300 Late Harappan (Cemetery H); Ochre Coloured Pottery Localisation Era
1900–1700 Harappan 4
1700–1300 Harappan 5
1300–300 Painted Gray Ware, Northern Black Polished Ware (Iron Age) Indo-Gangetic Tradition

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*Mehrgarh in Balochistan
*Harappa in KPK/Punjab
 
Indus Valley Civilization2500-1500 BCE
Vedic Civilization1500-500 BCE
Rigvedic period1500-1000 BCE

This periodization is wrong, the Indus valley civilization evolved into Vedic culture during the period of 1900-1300BC after the settlements expanded eastward into Gangetic plains due to climate change and drying of Ghaggar-Hakra(Rigvedic Saraswati) in 1900BC. The drying date of Rigvedic Saraswati also proves Rigveda was composed before 2000BC instead of Max Mueller's guess of 1200BC.

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*Mehrgarh in Balochistan
*Harappa in KPK/Punjab

This is the academic chronology of transformation from Mehrgarh into Indo-Gangetic traditions. But what's your point here.
 
This periodization is wrong, the Indus valley civilization evolved into Vedic culture during the period of 1900-1300BC after the settlements expanded eastward into Gangetic plains due to climate change and drying of Ghaggar-Hakra(Rigvedic Saraswati) in 1900BC. The drying date of Rigvedic Saraswati also proves Rigveda was composed before 2000BC instead of Max Mueller's guess of 1200BC.
Agreed. Indus valley civilization merged and evolved into Gangetic valley civilization or the Hindu civilization that we call today.
Civilizations are not static and rigid. They constantly evolve, morph and even change geographical locations. Ex. The western civilization we see in Americas & Europe trace back their origins to the classical Greek civilization of Plato, Socrates, Homer .... Just because Muslim Turk's invaded Greece for a while, doesn't mean Turks are the inheritors of the Classical Greek Civilization.
 
This is the academic chronology of transformation from Mehrgarh into Indo-Gangetic traditions. But what's your point here.

My Point is that Major civilizaiton events of IVC were in Pakistan.

Anyway always wanted to ask.

Why are indians only after our IVC?what makes it more special than the ganges civilization,which is far more diverse and extending upto bangladesh apart from having 90% of hinduism history associated ganges rivers.

We claim it because it is in our region,if IVC by any mean was in india,we would have never blindly claimed it
 
Agreed. Indus valley civilization merged and evolved into Gangetic valley civilization or the Hindu civilization that we call today.
Civilizations are not static and rigid. They constantly evolve, morph and even change geographical locations. Ex. The western civilization we see in Americas & Europe trace back their origins to the classical Greek civilization of Plato, Socrates, Homer ....
after the end of indus valley civilization 16 mahjanpads came into existence between 800 BCE to 300 BCE.
 
Agreed. Indus valley civilization merged and evolved into Gangetic valley civilization or the Hindu civilization that we call today.
Civilizations are not static and rigid. They constantly evolve, morph and even change geographical locations. Ex. The western civilization we see in Americas & Europe trace back their origins to the classical Greek civilization of Plato, Socrates, Homer ....

Moreover, Pakistanis aren't genetically the same people who inhabited Punjab-Sindh-KPK during Indus Valley civilization and IVC because the gene pool of the region had been constantly been changing throughout history. Guess, where all those Indo-Scythian, Indo-Parthians, white Huns, Kushans got disappeared. Infact, the Pashtuns are outsiders, it is said that Hindkowan people once inhabited the Peshawar valley before Pashtuns came. ;)
 
Why are indians only after our IVC
For the same reason Americans trace their civilizational ancestory to Classical Greece...
BTW.. The Indus Valley (IV in the IVC) is in Pakistan today, but the Hindus of India are Civilizational descendants of IVC. So, its not 'your' IVC..
 
My Point is that Major civilizaiton events of IVC were in Pakistan.

Anyway always wanted to ask.

Why are indians only after our IVC?what makes it more special than the ganges civilization,which is far more diverse and extending upto bangladesh apart from having 90% of hinduism history associated ganges rivers.

We claim it because it is in our region,if IVC by any mean was in india,we would have never blindly claimed it

The Radcliffe line pass in mid of the Indus valley civilization, so its not solely yours or ours. Anyway, the origin of Indian civilization lies in Indus Valley civilization and since unlike Pakistan, India/Bharat is a historical country, so we are not bound to follow the fixed territory and our history still goes to the West of Radcliffe line. Moreover, the Pashtuns themselves say their ancestors never practised Hinduism and never spoke Sanskrit, then how Pashtuns have claim on Gandhara's heritage, even your language is not an Indo-Aryan language.
 
Moreover, Pakistanis aren't genetically the same people who inhabited Punjab-Sindh-KPK during Indus Valley civilization and IVC because the gene pool of the region had been constantly been changing throughout history. Guess, where all those Indo-Scythian, Indo-Parthians, white Huns, Kushans got disappeared. Infact, the Pashtuns are outsiders, it is said that Hindkowan people once inhabited the Peshawar valley before Pashtuns came. ;)

True and false.

Most of the Hindokwani people like tanoli and Jadoon are basically pashtuns with tanoli from Waziristan(Shawal) and jadoon/Gadoon/tareen from swabi,now both living in Hazara region.70% of them look like pashtuns

Peshawar once i have also heard that was inhabited by non pashto speaker
 
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