Pakistan shops for warships to replace British frigates, modernize Navy

[Zarvan]

Pakistan should buy a new version of Type 54 which has VLS for Cruise Missiles also. Other wise look for some other Frigate

 

[royalharris]

PN list：
2*052D(PLAN is in large requirement, maybe is not availble, but who knows)
4*054A
4*Ada or 4*056(056 can fully do the job ada would do in PN, it is much more cost efficient, and provide better coodination with S20 and 054A even with the future 052D）

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Navy needs to have a commander who is decisive, and thinks outside the square. For too long the navy had CNS-s with "bureaucratic mindsets". The navy needs a real leader. Now, why the hell would they NOT order 4 x 054? What are they waiting for? Are they waiting for some party at the officers mess next year?

Get your priorities right for F* sake; the navy is in DIRE need of new surface ships. These new ships were needed "yesterday", but they are still mucking around as if it is a joke.

I suspect the procurement of the surface ships is being done on a layaway basis. Basically, they'll make orders based on the cash they have on hand to spend, and the piecemeal ordering of the Type 054A - esp. the standard design of the PLAN and not CSOC's proposals - is a clear indication of that. I think as a plan they intend to have 3 Type 054As, but they'll make later orders when the funds are available.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

but further progress depends on U.S. congressional approval.

which would happen if its pakistani money but if has FMF than it would be intersting

The Swift Corvettes are all-welded steel hull and superstructure designs - not that complex. I don't see a scenario where each ship would cost more than $75 m. If the U.S. is unwilling to sell it then an alternative design can easily be had from Turkey or the Netherlands.

 

[Awan68]

I suspect the procurement of the surface ships is being done on a layaway basis. Basically, they'll make orders based on the cash they have on hand to spend, and the piecemeal ordering of the Type 054A - esp. the standard design of the PLAN and not CSOC's proposals - is a clear indication of that. I think as a plan they intend to have 3 Type 054As, but they'll make later orders when the funds are available.

If i may ask how much does a type 054A off the shelf unit cost and what is the cost of mainainance for one year?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

If i may ask how much does a type 054A off the shelf unit cost and what is the cost of mainainance for one year?

Based on China's offer to Thailand, the cost of each Type 054A is $333 m U.S. The maintenance and operating costs were not disclosed.

 

[syed_yusuf]

The in prod version is type 54a+ is PN interested in this version or older 54a.

Type 54b is right round the corner

Is PN asking for new build or used buy outs?

New one will cost appx 350 mil usd

 

[Awan68]

Based on China's offer to Thailand, the cost of each Type 054A is $333 m U.S. The maintenance and operating costs were not disclosed.

Why cant they ask a credit line from China for lets say an order of 6-8 frigates?, that would make the bill around around 2-3 bill, we can come up with atleast 800 mil to assure the creditors.

 

[monitor]

Very good decision but number should be more. You need to replace 5 type 21 so at least 5 Type 54A would best.

 

[Ultima Thule]

or....they could develop a warship locally...

But clearly defined how should we will develop basic technology for indigenous frigate project like engine, naval radars and other and ecm,eccm,ew and other critical tech for that project, isn't wise mr @Hassan Guy to move step by step we currently have a capability to build hull of a ship, than we will move to develop engine for ship with the help of China and than naval radars, than rest of the stuff think about Mr @Hassan Guy

 

[Awan68]

But clearly defined how should we will develop basic technology for indigenous frigate project like engine, naval radars and other and ecm,eccm,ew and other critical tech for that project, isn't wise mr @Hassan Guy to move step by step we currently have a capability to build hull of a ship, than we will move to develop engine for ship with the help of China and than naval radars, than rest of the stuff think about Mr @Hassan Guy

Radars and sensor suites and launchers even are not a problem anymore, those are things we can develop fairly easy with designated funds and Chinese help, engine is something that would need to be imported for the next 2 decades or so.

 

[Ultima Thule]

why not a destroyer?

Buying destroyers will eat the bugt of navy, lets assume we will get type-52B/C there price is over 1 billion $ 1 will useless for PN, imagine the costs of 3 to 4 of type-52B/C

Radars and sensor suites and launchers even are not a problem anymore, those are things we can develop fairly easy with designated funds and Chinese help, engine is something that would need to be imported for the next 2 decades or so.

What radar and other sensors we are developing right now can give me prove and don't give me PDF thread link that windjammer posted earlier this year its fairly a crude syetem and i am talking about naval radars , they are more complex/different than there land/ air counterparts

 

[Awan68]

Buying destroyers will eat the bugt of navy, lets assume we will get type-52B/C there price is over 1 billion $ 1 will useless for PN, imagine the costs of 3 to 4 of type-52B/C


What radar and other sensors we are developing right now can give me and don't give me PDF thread link that windjammer posted earlier this year its fairly a crude syetem and i am talking about naval radars , they are more complex/different than there land/ air counterparts

I said we can develop with chinese assistance, where did i say we are developing them and concerning launchers, developments are already underway, engines i agree are beyond us for now...

 

[Ultima Thule]

I said we can develop with chinese assistance, where did i say we are developing them and concerning launchers, developments are already underway, engines i agree are beyond us for now...

Yes you are right with the help of China, excluding engine every thing will be possible

 

[ARMalik]

I suspect the procurement of the surface ships is being done on a layaway basis. Basically, they'll make orders based on the cash they have on hand to spend, and the piecemeal ordering of the Type 054A - esp. the standard design of the PLAN and not CSOC's proposals - is a clear indication of that. I think as a plan they intend to have 3 Type 054As, but they'll make later orders when the funds are available.

Thanks Bilal, good points. When Pak can convince China to spend over $50 Billion on CPEC, they need to work out a financial strategy/payment plan with China for new ships. PN is in dire need to have these ships ASAP.