Pakistan seeks explanation about Inu's Baluchistan remarks

[volatile]

Yes it was a big mistake that India did. We resolved never to leave a job half done again or "trusting the UN" as we saw in early 70s.

You can ask yourself why did Pakistan not follow the first step of UN resolution to run a plebiscite?

Pak has said several times both India and Pak first demillitarize this region and we are happy to do ,real question is are you ?

 

[Nilgiri]

Pak has said several times both India and Pak first demillitarize this region and we are happy to do ,real question is are you ?

Pakistan can demilitarise unilaterally (as stipulated by the original UN resolution) and we will take that to be a CBM.

But before that Pakistan has to show its serious by clamping down on cross border terrorism. When you have let this infra permeate into Pak heartland (Punjab) through characters like Hafiz Saeed (which US has put a bounty on)....solving Kashmir talk seems like a cruel joke to us. That is the bare bones truth on the matter.

 

[volatile]

Pakistan can demilitarise unilaterally (as stipulated by the original UN resolution) and we will take that to be a CBM.

Yes First withdraw from Siachen to create level of trust

But before that Pakistan has to show its serious by clamping down on cross border terrorism. When you have let this infra permeate into Pak heartland (Punjab) through characters like Hafiz Saeed (which US has put a bounty on)....solving Kashmir talk seems like a cruel joke to us. That is the bare bones truth on the matter.

Ohh please stop lecturing us about cross border terrorism .This is a proven fact that India uses Afghanistan to do there dirty work in Pakistan ,MQM funding is another proof ,Kulbashan Yadahv is another so instead of lecturing us look into your own first

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes First withdraw from Siachen to create level of trust

No incentive to do so. Ball has rested in Pakistan court ever since 1948 UN resolution that clearly defined you as the original aggressor and thus any withdrawal anywhere has to come from you FIRST. India can then reciprocate as calm and stability comes to Kashmir region so a plebiscite can be done. But onus is on you the initial aggressor to take the first step.

Ohh please stop lecturing us about cross border terrorism .This is a proven fact that India uses Afghanistan to do there dirty work in Pakistan ,MQM funding is another proof ,Kulbashan Yadahv is another so instead of lecturing us look into your own first

What was US and international reaction to the "RAW Dossier"?

The silence was deafening wasn't it? Have you got a statement from even your higher than mountains "ally" China on accepting India and RAW involvement in Pakistan domestic terrorism?

Now compare it to this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/04/politics/us-holds-back-some-military-aid-for-pakistan/

http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...groups-in-kashmir-us-law-makers-told-2912698/

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/he...-hearing-pakistan-friend-foe-fight-terrorism/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-tells-pakistan-not-differentiate-among-terror-groups-1578136

 

[volatile]

What was US and international reaction to the "RAW Dossier"?

Lets define Intl community (EU & US) doesnt make the whole of world ,US,Russia,China ,France ,England .Eng/France will always do what US wants them to do . China/Russia are altogether different beast ,regarding reaction of Intl community they are not going to fight with India reason they need India at the moment against China this is the only Ace in the India`s hand (Rest when US is done with China who it will come after you know better) so leave intl community and there so called stance same Intl community has been saying Pakistan to take action against Haqani`s so you know who gives a shit ,same Intl community is saying HR against KSA ,IRan so things goes on and on .Reaction is coming from India itself since current Govt has made realize to many which was covered up previously the real ambitions of Hindu extremist .

http://www.ndtv.com/topic/ban-ki~moon-on-kashmir

No incentive to do so. Ball has rested in Pakistan court ever since 1948 UN resolution that clearly defined you as the original aggressor and thus any withdrawal anywhere has to come from you FIRST. India can then reciprocate as calm and stability comes to Kashmir region so a plebiscite can be done. But onus is on you the initial aggressor to take the first step.

Here's the cost India has been paying to hold on Siachen

• Since 1984, India and Pakistan have intermittently shelled each other to maintain control over glacial valleys, mountainous ridges and barren mass of ice.

Source: Wikipedia

• Interestingly, since partition of India, no country had posted its soldiers in the no-man's land region of Siachen which is decked between Indian-controlled Kashmir, Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and China.
  
• While a peace process in 2003 did bring ensure silence of guns, an estimated 8000 soldiers have died on the glacier during last 32 years not in combat but due to harsh weather and oxygen-lacking mountain peak-tops.
• The first war started in April 1984 when Indian army launched Operation Meghdoot to take control of the region after learning about Pakistan's plan to seize the region. Pakistan, in response, also mobilised its troops ensuing in the battle between two neighbours. While India occupied and still maintains the control over all the 70-kilometre long glacier, Pakistan took control of icy-valleys west of Saltoro ridge - one of the strategic high-grounds on the glacier.

• Both the countries have spent billions of dollars to maintain control over the region. According to a Defence Review report, India spends Rs 5 crore every day to ensure safety and supply of food through helicopters for soldiers stationed at the glacier.

Representational Image | Source: AFP/File

• It is estimated that the accumulated cost of Siachen war has exceeded $5 billion since it started.
  
• A May 2012 report in South Asia Global Affairs said that one Pakistani soldier is killed every fourth day in Siachen while one Indian soldier is killed every second day – not by bullets but rather by the severe weather.
  
• By the time a Roti reaches Siachen glacier, it cost Rs 100. A special suit and necessary equipment for a single soldier costs Rs 1 lakh.
  
• According to Defence estimates made in 2012, India spends about $200-$300 million a year to hold Siachen under its control.
  
• As per this 2007 study by South Asian think-tank The Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies (IPCS), "the costs are high because the logistics tail is long, the only road ends at the Base Camp close to the snout of Nubra river where the almost 80-km glacier ends and a large number of infantry posts can be maintained only by light helicopters that air-drop supplies with attendant losses, as recoveries are often less than 50 per cent."
  
• With both India and Pakistan manning 150 posts on the glacier each, the South Asian Global Affairs report mentions that each country has 10 battalions or some 6,000 troops on ground.

I guess you have the liberty of saying all this since no one closed to you experience all this also there is a concept called opportunity cost 5 Billion till date is a big number imagine it would have changed how many lives similarly vice versa for Pakistan . Its more of a small boy wish then strategic importance .

 

[Nilgiri]

Lets define Intl community (EU & US) doesnt make the whole of world ,US,Russia,China ,France ,England .Eng/France will always do what US wants them to do . China/Russia are altogether different beast ,regarding reaction of Intl community they are not going to fight with India reason they need India at the moment against China this is the only Ace in the India`s hand (Rest when US is done with China who it will come after you know better) so leave intl community and there so called stance same Intl community has been saying Pakistan to take action against Haqani`s so you know who gives a shit ,same Intl community is saying HR against KSA ,IRan so things goes on and on .Reaction is coming from India itself since current Govt has made realize to many which was covered up previously the real ambitions of Hindu extremist .

http://www.ndtv.com/topic/ban-ki~moon-on-kashmir



Here's the cost India has been paying to hold on Siachen

• Since 1984, India and Pakistan have intermittently shelled each other to maintain control over glacial valleys, mountainous ridges and barren mass of ice.

Source: Wikipedia

• Interestingly, since partition of India, no country had posted its soldiers in the no-man's land region of Siachen which is decked between Indian-controlled Kashmir, Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and China.
  
• While a peace process in 2003 did bring ensure silence of guns, an estimated 8000 soldiers have died on the glacier during last 32 years not in combat but due to harsh weather and oxygen-lacking mountain peak-tops.
• The first war started in April 1984 when Indian army launched Operation Meghdoot to take control of the region after learning about Pakistan's plan to seize the region. Pakistan, in response, also mobilised its troops ensuing in the battle between two neighbours. While India occupied and still maintains the control over all the 70-kilometre long glacier, Pakistan took control of icy-valleys west of Saltoro ridge - one of the strategic high-grounds on the glacier.

• Both the countries have spent billions of dollars to maintain control over the region. According to a Defence Review report, India spends Rs 5 crore every day to ensure safety and supply of food through helicopters for soldiers stationed at the glacier.

Representational Image | Source: AFP/File

• It is estimated that the accumulated cost of Siachen war has exceeded $5 billion since it started.
  
• A May 2012 report in South Asia Global Affairs said that one Pakistani soldier is killed every fourth day in Siachen while one Indian soldier is killed every second day – not by bullets but rather by the severe weather.
  
• By the time a Roti reaches Siachen glacier, it cost Rs 100. A special suit and necessary equipment for a single soldier costs Rs 1 lakh.
  
• According to Defence estimates made in 2012, India spends about $200-$300 million a year to hold Siachen under its control.
  
• As per this 2007 study by South Asian think-tank The Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies (IPCS), "the costs are high because the logistics tail is long, the only road ends at the Base Camp close to the snout of Nubra river where the almost 80-km glacier ends and a large number of infantry posts can be maintained only by light helicopters that air-drop supplies with attendant losses, as recoveries are often less than 50 per cent."
  
• With both India and Pakistan manning 150 posts on the glacier each, the South Asian Global Affairs report mentions that each country has 10 battalions or some 6,000 troops on ground.

I guess you have the liberty of saying all this since no one closed to you experience all this also there is a concept called opportunity cost 5 Billion till date is a big number imagine it would have changed how many lives similarly vice versa for Pakistan . Its more of a small boy wish then strategic importance .

No need to worry about the cost, we are adding a whole Pakistan to GDP each year....and it will soon be 2 or more down the road.

Like I said, if Pakistan wants to talk, it should stop the terrorism, vacate P0K and let us do a plebisicte....or just accept the status quo. Those are the only options.

 

[volatile]

No need to worry about the cost, we are adding a whole Pakistan to GDP each year....and it will soon be 2 or more down the road.

Like I said, if Pakistan wants to talk, it should stop the terrorism, vacate P0K and let us do a plebisicte....or just accept the status quo. Those are the only options.

Core issue is not terrorism its tit for tat India started state terrorism in 1971 (Admission done by Modi himself) now Indians are doing the same .India and Pak cant co exist together IMO as there are too many mistrust and Hindu himself cant accept the fact that they were ruled for 1000 years by Muslims and wanted a Tit for Tat that is not going to happened .for instance back in 2001 when our commando signed Agra accord and settlement for Kashmir was near by at that time Indian media which is a right wing of state propaganda sabotage the whole process ,deep inside these questions have to be asked by Indians them selves when they want to stop this ,As the way we see it all India is connected by thin wire and its not even our interest to integrate them . Regarding your post on adding GDP for a size of Pakistan currently India`s GDP is inflated reason FDI why FDI`s are getting have surpassed China reason why all major countries other than few are US grouped .So as Economics unfolds

GDP = Consumer spending (Increasing) Remittances big source + Govt Spending (decreasing) + Investments(Increasing) + Exports (declining)

Now this explanation was to your answer (artificial growth) steroided by US and global powers

 

[Nilgiri]

Now this explanation was to your answer (artificial growth) steroided by US and global powers

You can tell yourself whatever you have to. It would take too long to explain economic matters to you. You are better off reading the whole India economy thread in the forum or at least the last 10 or so pages.

Or live in your well that it is all "artificial" growth. Thats fine. Because the weapons we get and make with that "artificial" growth will not seem so artificial when push comes to shove

 

[Nike]

Brother stop making points ,Baluchistan is all good and its no matter of BD unless they also have send thank you mails ,Balochistan is going to be hub of development surpassing even all major cities of Asia ,regarding your sufferings history has been twitched in such a manner that rapist becomes saviour

i would love to see if it happen, but maybe not in my life time

 

[volatile]

i would love to see if it happen, but maybe not in my life time

I dont know how old are you or how long you are going to live but wait till 2025

You can tell yourself whatever you have to. It would take too long to explain economic matters to you. You are better off reading the whole India economy thread in the forum or at least the last 10 or so pages.

Or live in your well that it is all "artificial" growth. Thats fine. Because the weapons we get and make with that "artificial" growth will not seem so artificial when push comes to shove

Dear i put some facts and numbers for you and this is the only thing you came up with it any ways thats show its all delusions no facts

 

[Nilgiri]

Dear i put some facts and numbers for you and this is the only thing you came up with it any ways thats show its all delusions no facts

Yeah coming from the guy that says Baluchistan will be more advanced than any Asian city.

There is nothing "factual" about saying economic growth is "artificial" when it suits you.

Would you say China's GDP growth from the 90s till today is "artificial" as well?

 

[volatile]

Yeah coming from the guy that says Baluchistan will be more advanced than any Asian city.

http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/p...be-connected-through-highways-under-cpec.html
https://walizahid.com/2015/02/46b-china-pakistan-economic-corridor-15-years-3-routes-51-projects/

There is nothing "factual" about saying economic growth is "artificial" when it suits you.

Above links are facts not artificial so as Indian growth

Would you say China's GDP growth from the 90s till today is "artificial" as well?

China proved itself a leading manufacturing hub there infrastructure ,skilled man power proved above all nation proved to be one ,where as in India there is Khalistan movement ,Kashmir issue ,Dalit cast system ,Mao separatists ,South Indians who even dont want to speak hindi or consider themselves as Indian and you are comparing with China ? India is a big market and first it has to over come poverty of more than 300 Mil People of its own .

 

[Nilgiri]

http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/p...be-connected-through-highways-under-cpec.html
https://walizahid.com/2015/02/46b-china-pakistan-economic-corridor-15-years-3-routes-51-projects/

Above links are facts not artificial so as Indian growth

China proved itself a leading manufacturing hub there infrastructure ,skilled man power proved above all nation proved to be one ,where as in India there is Khalistan movement ,Kashmir issue ,Dalit cast system ,Mao separatists ,South Indians who even dont want to speak hindi or consider themselves as Indian and you are comparing with China ? India is a big market and first it has to over come poverty of more than 300 Mil People of its own .

You really think CPEC "investment" of best case scenario of 46 billion USD over a decade will turn Baluchistan into say Hong Kong? Do you even know what is the total infra and human capital investment cost in even a small part of Hong Kong? Hint: its way way more than 46 billion and concentrated in much smaller area.

46 billion is a tiny drop in the ocean required to get the same level of intensity.....yet here you are saying it will "surpass" any Asian city and you expect me to take you seriously when it comes to economic analysis?

 

[Nike]

I am not sure on how Balochistan can surpasses the likes of Singapore, Shanghai, Tokyo, Hongkong, Jakarta, Mumbai in 2025, in which all of them had a bigger GDP than an entire Pakistan. It's very wrong to underestimated the Asian economy weight.

@volatile @Nilgiri

 

[Nilgiri]

I am not sure on how Balochistan can surpasses the likes of Singapore, Shanghai, Tokyo, Hongkong, Jakarta, Mumbai in 2025, in which all of them had a bigger GDP than an entire Pakistan. It's very wrong to underestimated the Asian economy weight.

@volatile @Nilgiri

Let him be, he has some wild ideas without undestanding basic economics first.