‘Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred’

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Please read this:



http://www.sikhreview.org/pdf/july2005/pdf-files/historiography1.pdf

Over 50,000 Sikhs were killed in Operation Bluestar, & 10,000 Sikhs were killed in 3 days by India in Delhi after that.

Inderjit Singh Jaijee estimated some 200,000 Sikhs were killed, or disappeared, in this holocaust according to state magistracy statistics.In June, 1984, 10,000 Sikhs were killed at Darbar Sahib (Operation Blue Star), 8,000 were killed just afterward (Operation Woodrose), 10,000 were killed by Hindu gangs in November 1984, in New Delhi, and 10,000 were killed in other states during the same period. In Punjab alone, 80,000 Sikhs were killed and 50,000 were made to disappear and 5,000 were killed in Hindi speaking states. There were thousands of Sikh prisoners during 1984- 94

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You told me to read this,but I'm not sure if you did the same

 

[Vinod2070]

You are mixing ethnic violence with violence against religious minorities. In Pakistan, while there is ethnic violence, there is little violence against religious minorities. In India, both are found in huge abundance. The Supreme Court's SIT has already indicted Modi for his crimes in Gujarat.

How would you categorize the Shia and Sunnis murdering almost a million of each other in Iraq (5% of the population)?

Is it religious or ethic violence?

How about the murder of Shia (chin chun ke Shia doctors, professional being killed by state sponsored agencies), killing them en masse from buses in Pakistan?

What about the Sufi shrines and mosques full of Muslims being blown? Religious or ethnic?

The targeting of Ahmedias?

The targeting of Mohajirs and tribals in Karachi?

 

[Doctor09]

i am seeing who has more hate against who .... nice job Indian members

 

[Safriz]

say for example i tell to school children that i seen half burnt dead bodies floating in ganga.because poor people cannot afford to buy enough wood and oil to completely burn a dead body as per hindu traditions...will that be hate mongering?

likewise if 10 years later...its mentioned in history books that thousands of children died due to lack of medicines in the hospitals of iraq because USA blocked iraqi ports for 10 years and medicine couldnt be shipped into iraq.
will that count as hate mongering?

 

[Manas]

say for example i tell to school children that i seen half burnt dead bodies floating in ganga.because poor people cannot afford to buy enough wood and oil to completely burn a dead body as per hindu traditions...will that be hate mongering?

Its a old religious practice of hindus to cast away their dead in the holy river of Ganges . Poverty isn't the reason.

 

[Safriz]

Its a old religious practice of hindus to cast away their dead in the holy river of Ganges . Poverty isn't the reason.

so it will be a mention of facts not hate mongering if this is written is a book?
but it will be reader's discretion to like it or dislike it?
and most wont like it because it doesnt sound nice to feed your dead to birds and fish.

 

[Rusty]

In Islamic republic, non Muslims are not treated equal where as in secular state, everyone is equal. I can't believe you asked that.

And I should belive you because........you said so?
right, you have compleatly convinced me

Show me how non Muslims are not treated equally? Under and Islamic republic everyone has equal rights to Justice, Economics, Education, etc.

You're wrong.

despite the fact that I gave evidence and you just replied with "your're wrong" I am sure everyone agrees with you. I mean how can you not agree with logic like that.

How so? I just told you that a person belong to a minority can't become a President or PM in Islamic republic. So you're wrong again.

By that standard USA and other secular countries are also discriminatory as they also have exclusionary laws for their leaders.
So that bring us back to Islamic Republic Vs. Secular, in that there isn't much of a difference outside the fact that in an Islamic Republic Muslims get to keep their rights.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

i am seeing who has more hate against who .... nice job Indian members

indeed you are right
I thank Indians for this engaging debate and pointing out yet another fault in our country
but Indians aside there is no doubt that our on school and off school education needs a major overhaul and yes we have problem

there is no justification for hate mongering
whether Indians are pure Angels as bad as us or even worse is irrelevant
its our future generations we need to think of
anyone who is above 7 or 10 years old is a done deal. the personality is pretty much established in a person by that age.

Hate mongering, exaggerating and even falsifying information about other races, faiths and religions is a age old universal problem. It starts from prejudice and bigotry and then channels into outright hatred, hostilities ,aggression, violence and all out war with the other civilisations. Take for example how the idea of crusade was sold to the European Christian community for example and also in current time when there are no camera’s about you would hear a lot of non Politically correct to downright vicious comments towards the Asians by the “morally superior” white races of the West.

“Whats that got to do with Pakistani textbooks” my Indian friends ask. “I am telling you the problem is not Pakistan specific”. I respond
“So Are you trying to justify the hateful education in Pakistan?” my Indian friends retort .

“no, far from it. All I am saying is that such problem is an age old phenomenon and has existed before Pakistan even so don’t try to oversell it as a Pakistan only issue.”

“Well, no other country or religion teaches hatred in text books, only Pakistan does it and its different”. Comes the Indian reply
“Do you want to bet on that? by the way the mode maybe different my dears but it’s the content. If its not the text book then its other sources that do the same job far more effectively. There is an example in London where an old Arab couple has been constantly harassed by the Children of a Jewish school who are filmed making threatening signs like cutting the throat, imitating firing an UZI machine guns and the universal finger signs towards the couple living room. And these kids are hardly 6 to 7 year old. Those with inquisitive mind can look it up on the net as I wont post the video because it will derail the subject.

Ok coming back to the topic and it should apply to anyone not just Pakistan.
one can celebrate the superiority and righteousness of his own system, faith, principles and ideology by stressing on its own good qualities rather than stressing on someone's "false" faith and principles to look good. Its like saying hey my stuff is good and you say why? Well its good because my neighbours stuff is awful.
Doh?

having said that, comparisons are hard to avoid but there is a better way I think if you sell your view point with similar view point in a comparative religious discussion by showing that how your faith or belief delivers where other fall short not that they are bad but not good enough. It’s a big ask but learning to live in a multi-faith, multicultural society, country and a world is something we need to start doing yesterday.

I remember my religious teaching included the reasoning and timing of the introduction of Islam in Arabian peninsula as the time when the Arabs indulged themselves in excessive drinking, betting, speculating, wars, degrading women and slaves etc and Islam changed all that and brought black and white together etc. I read that narrative and then the Quran and the Hadith and I saw similar advice to Muslims and all mankind too but at that point I had built up a negative view of pre-Islamic Arabs despite the stories of their hospitalities and the philanthropy of Hatim Tai (which even our Prophet Acknowledged and admired) and that caused a bit of confusion.

But that was clarified thanks to one man during my masters when our class was graced with one of the best Islamic scholars Dr SM Zaman some of you who are old enough might remember him presenting in a program called Tafhim Al Quran. He had a lot of praise for the Arabs pre and post Islamic era for the depth and vastness of their language, their generosities, friendships, hospitalities their poetry and what not. Dr SM Zaman has been the member of Islamic Ideology council (Islami Nazryati Council) and during late 90s he was a professor of Islamic studies which was part of International Islamic University requirement on top of the core faculty requirements.
This guy knows his stuff and is very articulate, multilingual and very impartial so his words really had the required effect. I remember after one of the lectures a coursemate who was sitting with me commented that this is the first time our religious teachers have not portrayed pre-Islamic Arabs as savages and subhuman species but someone who had very highly developed skills in culture and literature and I couldn’t agree more.

ok guys that was me, lets see how we can fix the issue. now I know most of my Indian friends have already decided that every single bit of the study is correct although they themselves have not even bothered checking it (but since its Anti-Pakistani it HAS TO BE RIGHT) do tell how Pakistan and Islam is portrayed in your books, maybe we can pickup something good and amend our textbooks with your books as a model?
Lets hear it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

School textbook are little, they are open to abuse Hindus with racial slur "Hindu Banya" ( Banya means merchant but they use it as an offensive term) anywhere TV, Books, public places. They openly teach their children that "Hindu Banya"( for Hindu Bengalis) are responsible for filling hearts of Bengalis with hatred for West Pakistan. After Manmohan Singh's visit to Saudi Arabia one Pakistani analyst was quoting on TV we should inform our Saudi Brothers that they don't trust and trade with cunning "Hindu Banya". In another TV show there was discussion about "Indus water Treaty", a Pakistani politician was saying "Hindu Banya"(used Hindu banya instead of Indians) control all of world's water resources. In another TV show a Mullah was saying never trust "Hindu Banya", they will speak sweet to you but back-stab you. There was an incident from Pakistan's Parliament where a Muslim member abused a Hindu member with racial slur "Hindu Banya" openly and the Hindu member slapped him hard. And the list goes on...

I missed that in School

show me which books do "THEY" say that? I will get hold of those books, also do provide me links with anything else, you are sounding like a broken record repeating yourself.

we dexcribe punjabis as daal khor and people from karachi as mohajir and Bhaiyas etc its a way of identifying a group its not always a hateful slurr as you are putting it. sadly our relations with your country are not one of the best so even metioning your name will sound like an insult to you.
I dont think Bunya is meant to be bad we have Sheikhs, Khojay and memons too etc.

ok provide me the links and or name of the books where the intent is to incite hatred with the word Bunya because i have missed that while i was growing up. the only word I recall is Hindu or your main four casts thats all.

 

[newdelhinsa]

No one talks about Pakistan in any Indian book up to Post graduation, political science included.

Muslims are sizable minority in India who can fight for its rights and has political representation where ever they are in good numbers. No one in India can afford to spread such hatred against Muslims even if someone want to using state or central govt. machinery or propaganda resources like school education.

Both Hindu and Muslim can check each others on streets if law is helpless or they are offended beyond tolerance, which is not the case in Pakistan. A Muslim bigot can come on national TV and can shrewdly insult Hindus and can go back home swinging armpits. But in India he will end up having his house burnt or pulled on every possible fora, humiliated. Law in India is not hostage to a hyper strong religious sentiment; which can over rule anything.

 

[nalandapride]

I missed that in School

show me which books do "THEY" say that? I will get hold of those books, also do provide me links with anything else, you are sounding like a broken record repeating yourself.

we dexcribe punjabis as daal khor and people from karachi as mohajir and Bhaiyas etc its a way of identifying a group its not always a hateful slurr as you are putting it. sadly our relations with your country are not one of the best so even metioning your name will sound like an insult to you.
I dont think Bunya is meant to be bad we have Sheikhs, Khojay and memons too etc.

ok provide me the links and or name of the books where the intent is to incite hatred with the word Bunya because i have missed that while i was growing up. the only word I recall is Hindu or your main four casts thats all.

I don't make false claims, I have listen to all these in Pakistani news Channel on Youtube. In all these videos Hindu Banya word is used as an insulting comment against Hindus. It is disappointing people are allowed to do such things openly on TV.

 

[nalandapride]

I missed that in School

show me which books do "THEY" say that? I will get hold of those books, also do provide me links with anything else, you are sounding like a broken record repeating yourself.

we dexcribe punjabis as daal khor and people from karachi as mohajir and Bhaiyas etc its a way of identifying a group its not always a hateful slurr as you are putting it. sadly our relations with your country are not one of the best so even metioning your name will sound like an insult to you.
I dont think Bunya is meant to be bad we have Sheikhs, Khojay and memons too etc.

ok provide me the links and or name of the books where the intent is to incite hatred with the word Bunya because i have missed that while i was growing up. the only word I recall is Hindu or your main four casts thats all.

By the way British also use racial slur "****" won't you raise objection against it. Don't you know what British authority do to such people. Banya do mean merchant but it is 100% sure that Pakistan don't use it for such but as a racial slur. Otherwise why Krishna Bheel has slapped the Muslim MNA.

 

[ramu]

ok guys that was me, lets see how we can fix the issue. now I know most of my Indian friends have already decided that every single bit of the study is correct although they themselves have not even bothered checking it (but since its Anti-Pakistani it HAS TO BE RIGHT) do tell how Pakistan and Islam is portrayed in your books, maybe we can pickup something good and amend our textbooks with your books as a model?
Lets hear it.

It was an interesting post and I like your style of writing. This forum is filled with stereotypes and it takes a while to identify someone who thinks a bit different. Just to know your thoughts, how can a class with Hindus, Muslims and Christians go through the content that is claimed by several Newspapers not just US or Indian. You can deny it but for me the News I read from the internet is the truth if there is no other means to verify. As for Indian texts, every book used by ICSE and CBSE in India and abroad is published on the net. Indian texts are outright anti Pakistani and same is the case with Pakistani text books and I am sure we all can agree on that.

1971 is long gone and the reason for nationalism for the wrong reasons is 4 decades behind Pakistanis. However, the point of contention is the anti minority. In India being pro minority is very fashionable and politicians go out of the way to look neutral. The BJP which tries to put a neutral face after it has realised that being extremely right winged is not acceptable in India. I think this is the maturity of the Indian population that rejects bias and wants to take people forward. It is the population that shapes the ideology of the political class atleast in India. Corruption is an issue not to the politicians but to the public and that has brought this subject to the center and not building a temple that at one point was the core issue on which a national election was fought.

The area that puzzles me the most is the outright misrepresentation of facts. It does not take rocket science to figure out that 1 in 8 muslims decide to settle in India in 1947. This is a fact but yet misrepresented and few in this forum even acknowledge it. But the bigger puzzle is about marginalising the minority by telling little kids who are Hindus that it was due to them that British got a foot hold in India. It is the saints of Islam who removed the ignorance of Hindus and reformed them. If this is not biased what else is. Indian education system teaches Indians to hate Pakistan and India can do a lot to change that but Pakistan should start by first reforming its education system to represent the truth about its own citizens and then think about reforming the image of India in the minds of the young.

 

[newdelhinsa]

Look at this buffoon injecting hatred to Muslims and bashing Hindus just to hide own intrinsic identity crisis, blaming it on Indian Hindus without links and evidence (huh!).

Another one, first hand, Pakistani hindu.

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

There is no doubt that minorities are being maltreated, but saying that minorities are being singled out is not correct. Every one (if he or she is poor) is suffering in Pakistan.

My urdu teacher was a chrisitian and was among the most respected teachers in the school. Some of my friends and even my mother studied in a christian school....