Pakistan says it is open to joint Afghan border patrols

[gangsta_rap]

Anyways in my opinion joint patrols mean little when the Tali command structure is in Pindi.

Anyways in my opinion joint patrols mean little when the Tali-P command structure is in Kabul.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Seems that reality is finally sinking in on the leadership in Pakistan. Noises of defiances were mostly for public consumption with trips to China, Iran and Turkey only yielding moral support?
This was to expected as Trump means business this time.

Anyways in my opinion joint patrols mean little when the Tali command structure is in Pindi.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...dc_story.html?utm_term=.2a1118bd364d#comments

it will mean afghans want border management too.
but afghans don't have any forces on the border for joint patrols.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan open to joint Afghan border patrols, says PM


ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said on Tuesday that his country was willing to set up joint patrols with Afghanistan to combat militants along their porous border.

His remarks came weeks after President Donald Trump called on Pakistan to do more to eliminate militant sanctuaries, a long-standing US demand.

“We are open for joint patrolling, we are open for joint posts” along the border with Afghanistan, Mr Abbasi told reporters in Islamabad.

“We will put up a fence there; the Afghans are welcome to put up another fence on their side,” he said.

Abbasi points out US has not issued demands over Afghanistan

The prime minister denied Pakistan was harbouring militants, insisting it was “fighting agents of chaos”. “All the criminal elements we are fighting are based in Afghanistan,” Mr Abbasi said.

Mr Trump called on Pakistan to eliminate militant sanctuaries in a speech laying out a new strategy to try and win the 16-year-old war in Afghanistan.

Mr Abbasi said his government had yet to receive any specific demands from the Trump administration, adding that Pakistan would act on any information shared by US authorities.

He denied the accusations that Pakistan supported militant groups as he batted away suggestions that Mr Trump’s comments would upend relations between the Cold War allies.

“We don’t think the Pakistani-US relationship will be defined by Afghanistan,” the prime minister said.

“This relationship (is) 70 years old (and) cannot be redefined by one issue or it should not be redefined by one issue.”

Following Mr Trump’s remarks, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson cautioned that Pakistan could lose its status as a major American ally and see its US military aid suspended.

Mr Abbasi however said he was unaware of any looming ‘punishments’, adding Washington had not issued demands to Pakistan on the matter.

“We have not received any list of measures,” he said. “We are open (with the US). We are transparent. We have nothing to hide.”

“We intend to work and cooperate with the US against terrorism and if both countries have any concern it should be addressed,” the prime minister said. “We respect others’ sovereignty and expect the same from others.”

He said Pakistan had suffered massively due to instability in Afghanistan and believed that the solution should be Afghan-led and Afghan-owned.

He said that Pakistan had lost more than $120 billion in the war against terrorism.

He said that Pakistan had defeated the menace of terrorism, asking the Pakistan-based foreign correspondents to visit Miramshah and see for themselves how Pakistan’s military had cleared the area by offering sacrifices.

About the recent BRICS declaration, the prime minister said the statement was not specific to Pakistan. There was no difference in the policy of the Pakistani and Chinese governments, he added.

In response to a question about Pakistan’s mediation with Gulf countries, he said: “We look upon it as a family issue that needs to be resolved between two brothers.”

Mr Abbasi did not foresee going to the IMF and hoped that the government would achieve its economic targets with prudent economic policies.

He said the devaluation of rupee was not on the cards.

Published in Dawn, September 13th, 2017

 

[Darth Vader]

Seems that reality is finally sinking in on the leadership in Pakistan. Noises of defiances were mostly for public consumption with trips to China, Iran and Turkey only yielding moral support?
This was to expected as Trump means business this time.

Anyways in my opinion joint patrols mean little when the Tali command structure is in Pindi.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...dc_story.html?utm_term=.2a1118bd364d#comments

One Question @A-Team
Is Durand line the international border between Pakistan and Afghanistan?
Do you accept it ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That is my point, no use offering joint patrols, when the invasion of next afghan district would be in the same location as well. Change of Policy is the only solution here!!

You dont have more than 24 posts on a border stretching almost 3000 km.

You dont want Pak to fence it.

You dont want joint patrolling.

Its time you guys made up your minds amd stop blaming us for your failures.

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

LOL these Afghan opium cultivators are becoming masters of fabricating news lately.

Pakistan doesn't even waste its oxygen on a bunch of illiterate Afghan cave dwellers.

Almost 60K civilian and military personal gave lives fighting terrorist operating from Afghanistan. And billions of dollars of damages to its economy. ITS MORE THAN WHAT YOU SAY "OXYGEN".

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Seems that reality is finally sinking in on the leadership in Pakistan. Noises of defiances were mostly for public consumption with trips to China, Iran and Turkey only yielding moral support?
This was to expected as Trump means business this time.

Anyways in my opinion joint patrols mean little when the Tali command structure is in Pindi.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...dc_story.html?utm_term=.2a1118bd364d#comments

Use some eye drops given to you by India and try to find them in Afghanista aka Kabul. I m sure with some Indian purity in your eyes you can see them in Kabul. And keep you randi rona about Pindi to your self and make sure you start building homes for 3+million of you brothers , They are coming back soon.

You dont have more than 24 posts on a border stretching almost 3000 km.

You dont want Pak to fence it.

You dont want joint patrolling.

Its time you guys made up your minds amd stop blaming us for your failures.

He is Indian Troll , Very technical one , Don't you see that in his OP post . You cant talk sense with Afghani .

Aren't the wanted people purportedly sitting in Peshawar and Quetta?

You must remembered that after 9/11 Pakistan ascended to all 7 demands (or was it 9) the US made of it. Well at least till 2006, I think the rest is history.

What saner US experts are predicting (on the left and the right, see Max Boot, Vanda Felbab, Camron Munter, Grossman, Wienbaum, et. al.) that Pakistan will comply temporarily -- what remains to be figured out is how that compliance can be made permanent. Further leaks from the US administration also concur on this point.

Then there is the bigger question if Pakistani change in behavior is able to forestall an Afghan state collapse.

The problems between Pakistan and Afghanistan are structural -- bandaids will may buy some time but in themselves are no solution.

The fundamental question is how is it that a 300,000 strong army cannot defeat an adversary that supposedly has no local support and is 1/10 it's size or less and has 1/10 its funding -- Answer that question and you can win the war. Absent that it's just verbal grand standing, and a poor one at that.

You are missing , Russia and China ............. History repeating it self...

@A-Team dude I see u here actively trying to pursue some sort of solution for Afghanistan by having a change in Pakistan's policy. Why don't u practice what u preach and start this change at home?

Do u know who the Afghan Taliban are? Hint: it's in the name...yes they are Afghan. If u and other Afghans are having problems with ur countrymen(Afghan Taliban) then that's an internal matter. U guys r having a civil war. So get ur house in order.

- Preach to ur farmers how it is haram to grow opium for drug trade(from which Afghan Taliban get financed)
- Bring the Taliban to the table and talk/negotiate with them
- Or conversely have ur armed forces get their sh*t together. US and the west has spent more than a decade training them and arming them but they remain corrupt and incompetent. If negotiating with the Taliban is not an option then together with the western forces fight them and defeat them.

Pointing fingers is getting annoying fast. The window of opportunity is closing. The US has been there for more than a decade, how much longer do u think they will keep spending their money to solve ur problems? Another decade perhaps? If this last decade is any indication then the chances don't look so bright. If u want change then u and ur ppl have to collectively look inwards.

In the meantime u guys can take advantage of Pakistan's fencing of the border...fence it from ur side as well and take up this offer(which has been made a few times before) of joint patrolling. Do this and simultaneously launch a joint effort with the western forces in Afghanistan. Otherwise u can keep pointing fingers and ur problems will persist as they have for decades.

Bro u still thinking they want any solution ? War is best business for them , It is from centuries and Current one is even more beneficial. Check how many Billion$$$$$ they got in aid and try to find out where that money gone. And don't forget drug trade etc. Fencing on Pakistani border is the last thing they want.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Don't worry about us, we'll fence the border and continue fighting terrorism and win.

Instead of criticizing pak, Start worrying about the Americans who are starting to harvest and exploit Afghanistan dry of its natural resources and minerals.

 

[Kambojaric]

Someone have free time to look at the hundreds of times Pakistan offered this prior?

Lol

"His statement came two weeks after Pakistan proposed joint border operations against illegal movements."
04.07.2017

http://aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/afghanistan-agrees-on-joint-border-ops-with-pakistan/854251

I suppose this is the time of the month where they have to stroke their damaged (if now existant) ego's and reemphasize that daalkhor Pakistanis are crumbling to the might of super powerful Afghanistan.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Afghans are the most delusional people in this world.

 

[Max]

Bad idea, we should totally disengage ourselves from these barbarians, seal the border from our side and done with it, ask our media to report minimum on Afghanistan and ganga at first place and start sharing what is going on in first world countries so we can try catch up, for past decades our media was full of bharati and Afghan taboo and barbarian shit. which effected our IQ negatively.

 

[Jungibaaz]

OP, as I said before, you're completely misreading the situation. I'm not sure what news and narrative of the situation with Pakistan is coming out of Kabul, nobody cares what goes on in Afghanistan anymore and the people that did care aren't going in the direction you hope.

The mood in Pakistan is completely different, and actually in Pakistan, we have multiple power structures, different parties with differing opinions in the civilian institutions and national assembly. We have an army that continues to hold a lot of political power even if it seems in a hiatus of intervention, it's not diminished. Each has their own view on governance, and they often disagree on a lot, Pakistani politics is extremely toxic. But when it comes to Afghanistan, when it comes to responding to the US' stupidity, almost every faction united, with the exception of those who'd loan their allegiance out to the highest bidder. The last time this happened the war in Yemen was being discussed and Pakistan's role, and the creation of the National Action Plan, each time a nationwide consensus was reached and political support for that guaranteed political success.

You've twice posted news seemingly believing that Pakistan is changing its stance, feeling the pressure, and so on. No such thing is going on, if anything the opposite is. The latest remarks from the US have alienated Pakistanis, the military's ties with the guys in the US, some of whom they know on a personal basis has deteriorated remarkably under Obama. And whether you like it or not, or whether the buffoon Trump and his band of ignoramuses realise, Pakistan is essential for all US aims in Afghanistan. Whether that includes winning the war(which doesn't seem likely ) or whether it's packing up and leaving without the taliban shooting them in their backside as they leave, they need us. Of course all supplies too go through us, and an insurance policy of talks with the taliban are held through us.

 

[pakistani342]

You are missing , Russia and China ............. History repeating it self...

Yes, the Russians may use the same formula we, the US, used on the Soviets.

History, sadly, may repeat itself yes.

The biggest losers will yet again be the Afghans.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Yes, the Russians may use the same formula we, the US, used on the Soviets.
History, sadly, may repeat itself yes.
The biggest losers will yet again be the Afghans.

You quoted @CHACHA"G"

 

[A-Team]

OP, as I said before, you're completely misreading the situation. I'm not sure what news and narrative of the situation with Pakistan is coming out of Kabul, nobody cares what goes on in Afghanistan anymore and the people that did care aren't going in the direction you hope.

The mood in Pakistan is completely different, and actually in Pakistan, we have multiple power structures, different parties with differing opinions in the civilian institutions and national assembly. We have an army that continues to hold a lot of political power even if it seems in a hiatus of intervention, it's not diminished. Each has their own view on governance, and they often disagree on a lot, Pakistani politics is extremely toxic. But when it comes to Afghanistan, when it comes to responding to the US' stupidity, almost every faction united, with the exception of those who'd loan their allegiance out to the highest bidder. The last time this happened the war in Yemen was being discussed and Pakistan's role, and the creation of the National Action Plan, each time a nationwide consensus was reached and political support for that guaranteed political success.

You've twice posted news seemingly believing that Pakistan is changing its stance, feeling the pressure, and so on. No such thing is going on, if anything the opposite is. The latest remarks from the US have alienated Pakistanis, the military's ties with the guys in the US, some of whom they know on a personal basis has deteriorated remarkably under Obama. And whether you like it or not, or whether the buffoon Trump and his band of ignoramuses realise, Pakistan is essential for all US aims in Afghanistan. Whether that includes winning the war(which doesn't seem likely ) or whether it's packing up and leaving without the taliban shooting them in their backside as they leave, they need us. Of course all supplies too go through us, and an insurance policy of talks with the taliban are held through us.

I think we will be seeing more action or inaction once the demands are listed by Trump administration.
Time will tell my friend