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Pakistan, Saudi Arabia agree on strengthening ties

In the editorial above, the editorial committee is clearly concerned, actually upset about the kind of social upheaval relations with Saudi Arabia have brought Pakistan - Wahabi Salafi support for the TTP, for radical madaress, for sectarian groups - all this must end - it just must end, otherwise who do the Saudi expect to pull their nuts out of the fire when the people demand what Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans and Syrians, and Bahrainis and yemeni are demanding??

What are the implications of Saudis buying Pakistani arms? but first, lets ask whether it is possible that the Saudi will buy Pakistani arms? I would say that arms procurement in Arabia is a welfare program for the Wahabi princes, in other words, it's not a government ot government deal, the princes have to be paid off - and this will cause a problem because secrets in a place like Pakistani politics is not possible for long and the charge of corruption will bring governments and politicians running for cover - so I don't think that this is a sustainable policy - on the other hand if it is a cover for "tribute", it might work. Bu the question posed by the editorial above "At what price" is pertinent

But look at the take other editorial boards have taken:

Ties with Riyadh



UNTIL this spring they may not have been the best of friends, but unnerving changes in world affairs can quickly revive alliances. The current government’s relations with Saudi Arabia had been decidedly chilly since it came to power. Generally more comfortable with Pakistan’s military dictators and close to PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif, the Saudis have never been fans of the current Pakistani leadership, but a series of official visits indicate that recent developments in the region have created new incentives. The turning point was a trip to Islamabad in March by Saudi National Security Council Secretary General Prince Bandar, which was followed by visits to Riyadh by then minister of state for foreign affairs Hina Rabbani Khar, Interior Minister Rehman Malik, President Zardari and, most recently, the prime minister. Not much has been said publicly about the details of these conversations, and most statements have been couched in diplomatic lingo about strengthening bilateral ties. But one description was more telling; the president’s visit, according to his spokesperson, was also aimed at “taking forward the consultative process on issues of peace, security and political stability in countries of the region that have recently been witnessing violence and turmoil”.

This easily encompasses both the Arab Spring and the Taliban reconciliation process in Afghanistan. According to observers of Pak-Saudi relations, America’s lack of support for former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and its refusal to interfere in the Bahrain uprising sent the Saudis looking for new supporters to ease fears about upheaval in the region. Pakistan was reportedly courted both to talk to Iran — blamed by Saudi Arabia for supporting Shia protesters in Bahrain — and to provide security forces to quell the unrest there. And in the face of an impending American withdrawal from Afghanistan, building regional consensus on that country’s future became a priority. The PPP government was quick to capitalise on this newfound importance. The potential gains for the current government of a closer relationship with Riyadh were obvious: economic support, Saudi influence on the Americans and the Afghans to ensure Pakistan’s role in shaping reconciliation in Afghanistan, and point-scoring with the Pakistani public.

Observers do add, though, that person-to-person contact between officials of the two governments, especially the heads of state, cannot yet be described as warm. But for the moment a pragmatic analysis of regional realities have brought the Saudis knocking on Pakistan’s door, and the PPP government has, despite earlier snubs from Riyadh, leapt at the opportunity. The move was a sober and intelligent one: a closer ally and a mediator role in the region can only be useful tools to have.
 
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There may be a cost to pay but we have gained more from the relationship than lost. And if we can stand up to US for our strategic interests, so can we to our Saudi brothers. Zardari's overtures to Iran are a case in point.

In short, KSA is a great friend of ours, no need to be paranoid.
 
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KSA is a great friend of ours

No that's not the case - reality is that we have been great friends of KSA and we have suffered for it. Lets always talk truth, TTP gets funding from Saudi arabia - no point saying that it;s not govt of Saudi but private money, we all know that the biggest donoers are members of the royal family, to them it's their religious obligation, to us, it's suicide bombing, families without fathers and husbands, bombings in the cities, wars between sects, wars on the borders -- lets never overlook that.

We have provided KSA with a security that the US and Israel could never have, only to have our people in KSA treated like animals and the Saudi state promoting insurgency in Pakistan, to back stabbing Musharraf... Doesn't matter what you think of Musharraf, the fact is the Saudi made a deal, and we took his word -- Like I said we have been good friends of the Saudi and we suffered for it --- now, maybe if there is a more principled relationship, I can support that but we will always point out what we thinks are faults .
 
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Assalam alaikum

Saudies r our good friends there r many who r ready to help saudies but they chose us coz they trust us, and they trust us pakistanies more then the arabs ( other nationalities ) but there r not many countries who wanna help us financially. The employer , employee relationship is also not that good in pakistan either and our embassies can help our ppl but they don't and our ppl also dont try to help themselves.

U r crazy i know for sure saudies neither govt. nor public ever wanted to help insurgents in pakistan few ppl don't represent the masses ( if i believe u ) and where is our govt. and agencies.

TARIQ
 
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No that's not the case - reality is that we have been great friends of KSA and we have suffered for it. Lets always talk truth, TTP gets funding from Saudi arabia - no point saying that it;s not govt of Saudi but private money, we all know that the biggest donoers are members of the royal family, to them it's their religious obligation, to us, it's suicide bombing, families without fathers and husbands, bombings in the cities, wars between sects, wars on the borders -- lets never overlook that.

We have provided KSA with a security that the US and Israel could never have, only to have our people in KSA treated like animals and the Saudi state promoting insurgency in Pakistan, to back stabbing Musharraf... Doesn't matter what you think of Musharraf, the fact is the Saudi made a deal, and we took his word -- Like I said we have been good friends of the Saudi and we suffered for it --- now, maybe if there is a more principled relationship, I can support that but we will always point out what we thinks are faults .

All True and in agreement with you.

Pakistan has to look beyond Saudis, Pakistan has to redefine all relationship with Gulf Sates and Address the issue of Taliban/Religious groups funding let us drag these Royals, bring them to the table as this is what people with-in your regimes are doing you Arabians need to put an end to it.
 
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Assalam alaikum
Saudies r our good friends there r many who r ready to help saudies but they chose us coz they trust us, and they trust us pakistanies more then the arabs ( other nationalities ) but there r not many countries who wanna help us financially. The employer , employee relationship is also not that good in pakistan either and our embassies can help our ppl but they don't and our ppl also dont try to help themselves.
U r crazy i know for sure saudies neither govt. nor public ever wanted to help insurgents in pakistan few ppl don't represent the masses ( if i believe u ) and where is our govt. and agencies.TARIQ

My friend this is exactly what is happening funding being done by saudis, emaraties and qataries...
 
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i know for sure saudies neither govt. nor public ever wanted to help insurgents in pakistan few ppl don't represent the masses ( if i believe u ) and where is our govt. and agencies.
Tariq


Why do choose to be in denial about this? Who do you imagine is being helped by your denial -- not just numerous reports but Talib videos thanking donors from arabia and gulf and direct information from persons who have reported that ordinary Saudis have gonbe to their homes aftare Qutba and given money for Talib.

Please be clear headed --- nothing is going to get changed by denying the truth - and that truth is that Saudi get thois or do this because they think it's a religious obligation -- it is for persons such as yourself to explain to them how misguided they are, how they are back stabbing people whom it is just a very bad idea to do this to
 
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No that's not the case - reality is that we have been great friends of KSA and we have suffered for it. Lets always talk truth, TTP gets funding from Saudi arabia - no point saying that it;s not govt of Saudi but private money, we all know that the biggest donoers are members of the royal family, to them it's their religious obligation, to us, it's suicide bombing, families without fathers and husbands, bombings in the cities, wars between sects, wars on the borders -- lets never overlook that.

We have provided KSA with a security that the US and Israel could never have, only to have our people in KSA treated like animals and the Saudi state promoting insurgency in Pakistan, to back stabbing Musharraf... Doesn't matter what you think of Musharraf, the fact is the Saudi made a deal, and we took his word -- Like I said we have been good friends of the Saudi and we suffered for it --- now, maybe if there is a more principled relationship, I can support that but we will always point out what we thinks are faults .


Saudis have always wished us well and come out for us in times of need. I can still remember Saudis throwing sacks, full of Dollars in our embassy their, after our nuclear explosions. They also guaranteed us with oil supply in case war broke out in 2002. The same year, there was also a silent understanding that they will let PAF have some of their jets too. And then the perpeptual oil deferrals.

However, I agree that we have been better friends of Saudis than they being ours. And I don't believe that TTP is being funded by any of the Royals, atleast.
 
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I don't believe that TTP is being funded by any of the Royals, atleast

What would make you believe ? If Hakimullah could come out and talk to you? See, it's because you guys are so unreasonable that people have suspicions. Today the same Saudi who sent tanks into Bahrain, point fingers at Syria, all in line with US and Israel - do you believe Saudi are following US line?
 
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What would make you believe ? If Hakimullah could come out and talk to you? See, it's because you guys are so unreasonable that people have suspicions. Today the same Saudi who sent tanks into Bahrain, point fingers at Syria, all in line with US and Israel - do you believe Saudi are following US line?


Mate, that's being paranoid. ISI is confronting even the CIA for creating unrest here & you want me to believe that Saudi Royalty is funding an entity, the sole objective of which is to destablize Pakistan & decimate the PA soldiers ruthlessly and Pakistani leadership is cooking favour with them, ignoring all this!

Say that KSA funds Afghan Taliban, Hafiz Saeed or venomous madrassas and I shall fall in line, but not TTP, as for as royals go, for this would mean plain war with PA.
 
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just look up (search)"Talib Funding" on the forum -- but if your mind is made up then just come out and say so.
 
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just look up (search)"Talib Funding" on the forum -- but if your mind is made up then just come out and say so.


I failed to come across any such stuff that links the TTP & House of Saud. Find me a credible argument or article & I shall be more than happy to learn...

Looking Forward!
 
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No man - That's fine - you do your own research - or not - I don't need to convince you of anything you are not ready to accept - but if had done the search there is plenty convincing info but if the mind is not ready, it's not ready.
 
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No man - That's fine - you do your own research - or not - I don't need to convince you of anything you are not ready to accept - but if had done the search there is plenty convincing info but if the mind is not ready, it's not ready.


So be it then. Good Day!
 
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Assalam alaikum

Muse doing what he does best. On other threads he will say the saudies use the pak army to defend and protect them here he is saying the same royal family is committed to destroy pakistan. wooooow good going Muse

TARIQ
 
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