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Pakistan rumored to be interested in additional RJAF F-16s

Hi,

@SQ8 has stated as clearly as one could.

Regardless of the politics of US congress & senate---Paf and Pentagon would stay in contact & that is not going to change.

Now only if the Paks had learnt that it was better to have the US parliament on their side rather than the Pentagon---they would have earned better rewards.

With close to 250 + F16 pilots and thousand of support staff and billions in weaponry and equipment---the utility of F16 would stay strong for a long time.
Khan Sahib, you expect people whose entire education was in military strategy to understand how to run economy, health and education and foreign diplomacy? For some reason, Pakistani seem to think that their generals are qualified for all of these fields and dont express concern that intelligent, thoughtful, and professional people are sitting in the west because military and the bureaucracy it has created prevented the from thriving in Pakistan. Pakistani always rely on military to military contacts in diplomacy....that doesnt work in the west.

I feel like establishment has their own secret stream on income. They probably have their own secret business involving their agencies which ensures Pakistan has enough money for these accusations. I would be surprised if they didn’t. All agencies have their own ways to generate income like cia.
Umm...they dont have a secret stream of revenue, they have multiple very public streams of revenue. Any Pakistani that doesn't know this has buried his head in the sand and doesnt understand his own country. Between Fauji foundation, its 50+ subsidiaries, DHA and many other companies, there are few large companies in Pakistan that the military doesnt have their hands in.
any thing short of f-16blk52+ C/D with an option of upgrade to V should not be purchased
Dumb statement...you have 180 3rd gen fighters to replace. $50m/plane for. C/D AND another $16M per SABR upgrades vs $16M per F-16MLU (which are block 50/52+ equivalent). Your F-16s wont and dont need to form your leading edge anymore. With J-10C and Block 3 coming online, they will. Form the leading edge. You need to get cheap MLU on the market to replace as many 3rd gen fighters for cheap. Spending $50-66M per aircraft doesnt work for your economy.
Yep, that's the case @MastanKhan is making. It's not just 'secret streams' but the fact that the military is a key player in our economy. It might not be efficient from a growth and wealth distribution standpoint, but it does mean that the military generates lots of revenue. If Egypt can bankroll big-ticket purchases, so can Pakistan.
Sure it but much Egyptian military upgrade was on Gulf funds.
 
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Yep, that's the case @MastanKhan is making. It's not just 'secret streams' but the fact that the military is a key player in our economy. It might not be efficient from a growth and wealth distribution standpoint, but it does mean that the military generates lots of revenue. If Egypt can bankroll big-ticket purchases, so can Pakistan.


Egypt and the IMF: will Sisi take the economy out of the military’s hands?


The global crisis has magnified the fragility of the country’s state-driven economic model and forced it to take out new multilateral loans

Andrew England in Cairo OCTOBER 31 2022

Egypt was forced to go cap-in-hand to the IMF as it struggled with a foreign currency crisis and dwindling reserves in 2016, President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi was adamant that he would take the “hard decisions” that his predecessors avoided in order to turn round the ailing economy.

Knowing he would have to push through politically sensitive reforms that would heap pain on millions of impoverished Egyptians to secure a $12bn loan from the fund, he insisted the Arab state had to bridge the gap between resources and spending.

“We borrow and we borrow, and the more we borrow the more the debt grows,” Sisi said. “All the hard decisions that many over the years were scared to take: I will not hesitate for a second to take them.”

Yet six years on, Egypt is once again depending on IMF support as it grapples with another foreign currency shortage, with the fund agreeing last week to a new $3bn loan package. It is the fourth time Cairo has sought the fund’s help since Sisi seized power in a coup in 2013, with Egypt holding the unwanted mantle of being the second biggest debtor to the IMF after Argentina. In total, it owes multilateral institutions $52bn.

In part, Egypt’s woes have underscored the vulnerabilities of poorer nations to the repercussions of Russia’s war in Ukraine after it triggered capital flight from emerging markets and caused food and energy prices to soar — raising import costs just as a vital source of foreign currency dried up. But economists and Egyptian businessmen say that there are more fundamental issues at stake, arguing that the global crisis has magnified the fragility of Sisi’s state-driven economic model.

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Workers collect wheat at the Benha grain silos, in Al Qalyubia Governorate, Egypt, in May. Before Russian president Vladimir Putin launched his offensive, Egypt depended on Russia and Ukraine for about 80 per cent of its imported wheat © Mohamed Abd El Ghany/Reuters

Under Sisi’s watch, Cairo became increasingly dependent on hot money flowing into domestic debt to finance its current account deficit as the central bank propped up the pound and kept interest rates in the double digits. One result is that Cairo had until recently been paying the world’s highest real interest rates on its debt.

At the same time, Sisi relied on the military to drive growth as it was put in charge of scores of infrastructure projects and encouraged to spread its economic footprint across myriad sectors, from pasta to cement and beverages, crowding out the private sector and dissuading foreign direct investment. The complaint is that the hot money was used to support massive state spending, much of it through the military, that soaked up the foreign currency.

Now, the question Egyptian businessmen and analysts are asking is whether the shock of the past six months will be sufficient to force Sisi to take arguably his toughest economic decision: rolling back the army’s role in the economy. That, economists say, will be crucial if the private sector is to flourish and for the country to attract greater levels of FDI to bring in more sustainable sources of foreign currency. “We need to stop the bleeding,” says a business owner, who, like many others, wants to remain anonymous given fear of repercussions in an autocratic state. “If we carry on this way it’s to the Paris Club [for debt relief], haircuts, selling assets and in a state of bankruptcy.”

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Some businessmen cautiously hope that the rattled government has finally woken up to the precarious path the economy was heading

. “It [the crisis] could be a blessing in disguise,” says another executive. “There seems to be a consensus and an understanding that things have to change because there’s no other solutions.”

Others remain wary. If Sisi is to reduce the military’s footprint, the former army chief will be taking on his core constituency and the nation’s most powerful institution with all its associated vested interests.

“It will be very difficult,” says the business owner. “You give your kid a toy and how do you take it away? It will take a lot of courage to take back from the army and I worry about this. If you think privatisation in the public sector is difficult, what about a military factory?”

Jason Tuvey at Capital Economics says “the military is not going to give up its interests very quickly, and we have to bear in mind the military is very close to Sisi, it could put pressure on him if it feels its interests are coming under pressure.”

Michael Wahid Hanna, an analyst at Crisis Group, says that reducing the role of the military “would require a rewiring and reordering of large parts of the economy.” He adds: “And that’s hard.”

The ‘crisis committee

’ Egypt’s leaders were jolted into action almost as soon as Russians invaded Ukraine in late February as they braced for the global repercussions of the conflict. The regime swiftly established a “crisis committee” to meet weekly and focused on ensuring food security for its 100mn population, tens of millions of whom rely on subsidised bread.

The army was ordered to supply millions of heavily discounted “food boxes” to vulnerable families, while officials sought to diversify sources of imports for the world’s top wheat importer. Before Russian president Vladimir Putin launched his offensive, Egypt depended on Russia and Ukraine for about 80 per cent of its imported wheat, and the fear was that it would be one of the countries most exposed to supply shortages and increases in food prices.

“I worry about Egypt,” Kristalina Georgieva, managing director of the IMF, said in March.

But it was not food security that would prove to be the state’s Achilles heel. Instead, it was wary foreign fund managers pulling about $20bn out of Egyptian debt in February and March, triggering the foreign currency crisis.

Sisi, who brooks zero dissent, was shocked to discover the weaknesses in the system, people briefed on government discussions said.

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Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, welcomes Egypt’s Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on his arrival to Riyadh in March © Saudi Press Agency/Handout/Reuters

On March 8, he jumped on a plane to Saudi Arabia, one of Cairo’s traditional backers, and by the end of the month Riyadh had deposited $5bn in Egypt’s central bank. It was part of a wider Gulf bailout, with the United Arab Emirates depositing $5bn and Qatar $3bn.

“I dread to think,” says an Egyptian banker, when asked what would have happened if the Gulf states had not ridden to Cairo’s rescue. “Sisi was very unhappy and it took him by surprise — the degree of fragility in the financial system

.” The three Gulf states also committed to investing billions of dollars to acquire state holdings in Egyptian companies through their sovereign wealth funds. Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund and Abu Dhabi’s ADQ fund have already spent about $4bn this year acquiring stakes in companies, including a bank, and chemicals, fertiliser, logistics and tech firms.

It was also in March that Cairo turned to the IMF for support, finally sealing the $3bn loan last week. In addition, Egypt will receive another $5bn from multilateral and regional donors — likely to be the Gulf states again — this financial year, the fund said.

Even officials are acknowledging that the crisis was a wake-up call.

A state official says that it was always the government’s goal to “unlock FDI”. But “maybe people got a bit relaxed and didn’t put the plan to work properly.

“Did we learn from the lesson? Yes . . . the guys at the central bank understand it’s not easy money,” says an Egyptian banker. “My feeling is, at the top, people understand we have a challenge, that challenge is we overspent in a short period of time.”

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Military forces in North Sinai, Egypt. Sisi has relied on the military as the prime vehicle to drive his economic plans © Mohamed Abd El Ghany/Reuters

But the critical test will be whether the regime seriously addresses the overbearing dominance of the state in the economy, particularly the military’s role.

“The fundamental problem is Egypt has been living beyond its means. It produces and sells to the rest of the world significantly less than it imports, which it finances through debt,” says an Egyptian economist. “A lot of the state consumption comes outside the budget in the form of military investment. If you look at a lot of these megaprojects it’s the military financing it . . . they are adding to the import bill and creating a net outflow of dollars.”

Rhetorically, at least, the leadership has signalled it is ready to act.

Speaking to businessmen and government officials at an economic conference held earlier this month in response to the crisis, Sisi gave mixed signals, defending his record while also suggesting he was willing to reduce the state’s role.

“I solved the problem of the ports and of the infrastructure of the state in a different way. The route that you suggested offering [projects] to the private sector and offering it to the foreigners, I’m with you, but I didn’t have the time for more delays,” the president said. “Are state companies on offer [for sale]? Yes . . . . By God, by God, by God all the companies of the armed forces are with you [available for sale].”

Two months earlier, Sisi had accepted the resignation of central bank governor Tarek Amer, who many criticised for his role in the malaise.

“The governor was very close to the army and was satisfying all the military’s needs with no strings attached,” says the Egyptian executive.

The central bank has since said it would allow a flexible exchange regime, something the fund was demanding. The loan package was intended to help Egypt “push forward deep structural and governance reforms to promote private sector-led growth and job creation,” the IMF said.

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A currency exchange office with an image of the US dollar in Cairo. Egypt is depending on IMF support as it grapples with another foreign currency shortage © Khaled Elfiqi/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock

As far back as April, Sisi had announced that the government would raise $40bn over four years through the sale of state assets and said it would start selling stakes of military companies on the stock exchange “before the end of year”. In the same speech, he also called for “political dialogue” with youth movements and political parties, a surprise move for a president who presides over a regime that has jailed tens of thousands of people and is accused of being Egypt’s most oppressive in decades.

Hanna, the Crisis Group analyst, says while the dialogue is limited in nature, the regime is “doing some things we didn’t think possible not so long ago”.

“There’s a lot of scepticism and frustration with it, and concerns that it’s a PR exercise,” Hanna says. “But it’s reflective of the fact there’s pressure; they recognise this moment is different and they need to respond differently.”

The government is also working on a “state-ownership” document intended to outline sectors in which it envisages a role for state entities, including the military, and where their presence should be reduced or completely withdrawn.

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In drawing up its plans, the government has engaged with the IMF, the World Bank and businessmen as it targets more than doubling the private sector’s role in the economy to 65 per cent over the next three years. But months after the initiative was first announced, the final document has not been published. Sisi has previously made pledges to sell-off stakes in military companies over the past three years, but the rhetoric has yet to be matched by asset sales on the ground.

“It’s a hard thing to unwind; it would be in a sense a major ideological reversal,” Hanna says. “During the Sisi era, military privilege has increased; their role in the economy has increased and that has created real winners, including within the military and former military. It is its own kind of patronage.”

Leaning on the military

Sisi has relied on the military as the prime vehicle to drive his economic plans since he inherited a broken economy after ousting Islamist leader Mohamed Morsi, the country’s first democratically elected president, nine years ago.

His government earned plaudits from the IMF, businessmen and bankers in 2016 after pushing through tough reforms, including slashing energy subsidies and trimming the state’s wage bill, to secure that year’s $12bn loan and bring fiscal stability. It also allowed the pound to devalue, with the currency losing half its value that year.

However, the regime did little to improve the investment climate in a country long blighted by an unwieldy bureaucracy, poor logistics and corruption, businessmen and economists say.

Instead, the president forged ahead with an estimated $400bn worth of infrastructure projects as he promised to build a “new republic”. As the country morphed from being a police state to a military-led state, the army extended its reach across the economy, from steel and cement to agriculture, fisheries, energy, healthcare, food and beverages.

The economy went on to post some of the region’s highest growth rates, but economists cautioned that it was mainly driven by construction, the energy sector and real estate. While some of the infrastructure projects were deemed necessary, critics view others as vanity projects that the country could ill-afford. Poverty rates rose after the devaluation and private sector investment remained below historical averages.

Many businessmen who had welcomed Sisi’s coup for returning a semblance of stability to the country, also believe he entered office suspicious and disdainful of the private sector. As the military’s presence in the economy expanded, whispered concerns grew that it was putting off both local and foreign investment.

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Egyptian employees in an industrial zone for exports and the domestic market near the Suez Canal and East Port Said, Egypt, in June last year © Sherif Fahmy/Reuters

The issue was not just the scale of the military’s ever growing reach, but fear among businessmen that they would wake up and find themselves competing with an untouchable institution that controls much of Egypt’s land, can use conscript labour and is exempt from some taxes.

Two years ago, there were tentative signs that the regime was beginning to listen to businesses’ concerns when the Sovereign Fund of Egypt was tasked with selling stakes in 10 military-owned companies. It identified two, Wataniya, which operates about 200 service stations, and Safi, a water bottling and food company, as the first assets it would privatise but neither has been sold-off.

Ayman Soliman, the fund’s chief executive, says there is a “slew” of companies ready for a listing, adding that the fund was corporatising the companies to get them ready for sale, either through listings or selling stakes to strategic investors pre-IPO.

“The programme hasn’t changed, but as we build our learning curve, we are educating our counterparts; we are building a road map,” says Soliman. “We have had companies earmarked for IPO for long, but there’s no market out there even if you have the best product.”

He says state-owned entities being lined up for privatisation also includes those in financial services, infrastructure, energy and agriculture.

But even if the regime is serious about selling off military companies, it will face myriad challenges attracting investors, experts say. And economists caution that asset sales alone will not solve Egypt’s deep problems as the social, economic and demographic pressures mount, with an estimated 60mn Egyptians living below or just above the poverty line

. The regime’s priority during the past nine years has been maintaining social stability and crushing dissent to prevent any repeat of the 2011 popular uprising that toppled former president Hosni Mubarak. It has ruthlessly muzzled any hint of unrest.

Many Egyptians who remember the chaos that came in the wake of the revolution have also been wary of either taking on the regime or triggering instability. But the latter sentiments could dissipate over time, experts say.

“The younger people, who are 18, 19, 20, hardly remember the revolution, they don’t remember the chaos [that followed], so that institutional memory fades over time and people will become more willing to rock the boat when they are impoverished,” says the Egyptian economist. “So there’s a finite time period when you can be complacent about the risk that high discontent will lead to political instability.”

In theory, those concerns should prompt the regime to act. But others worry that complacency could set in with the belief that Egypt is too important geopolitically to be allowed to fail, and that it can rely on bailouts from its neighbours.

Sisi himself warned at the conference last week about the risk of relying too heavily on its Gulf allies. “Even the brothers and friends, they are now convinced that the Egyptian state is unable to stand up again and that years of support and help has led to the creation of a culture of dependency on them to resolve crises and problems,” he said.

“We believe in this fiction we are too big to fail, that’s not true. For them [Gulf donors], failure is the Muslim Brotherhood taking over again,” says an Egyptian academic. “Short of this, there are all sorts of disasters that can happen which our brother Arabs can happily live with . . . [Egypt] stagnant, impoverished and getting worse and worse.”

“The crisis acts as a wake-up call,” he adds. “But will they wake up in the right place?”
 
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We are needless investing on older F 16 than we need to get them modified to block 52 cost us time and money rather than buy new ones with better airframe life even cost of new F 16 are 20 more compare to these old with new F 16 we can use them for further
 
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Yep, that's the case @MastanKhan is making. It's not just 'secret streams' but the fact that the military is a key player in our economy. It might not be efficient from a growth and wealth distribution standpoint, but it does mean that the military generates lots of revenue. If Egypt can bankroll big-ticket purchases, so can Pakistan.
By secret streams I was thinking more of actual secret and controversial streams maybe having to do with our neighbours as well. Something like how cia gathers funds. Not just property investments or papa johns.

Umm...they dont have a secret stream of revenue, they have multiple very public streams of revenue. Any Pakistani that doesn't know this has buried his head in the sand and doesnt understand his own country. Between Fauji foundation, its 50+ subsidiaries, DHA and many other companies, there are few large companies in Pakistan that the military doesnt have their hands in.
Hard to believe it doesn’t when considering the region it’s in and our neighbours.
 
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Lose that and see the PAF drop out of the sky on a regular basis as well like certain neighbors(who also have officers who take the same exchanges and trainings that keep a positive impact on that end
Incorrect information.
For PAF fighter pilots casualties in fighter jet crashes are higher than IAF fighter pilots casualties in fighter jet crashes, despite being smaller in size.
Crash rate as % of fleet size is also higher for PAF than IAF.
 
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Although we pray it would conclude, given how the Pakistan Army is handling the situation, America is probably going to withdraw its "favours." If Imran Khan returns to power, America will try to punish Pakistan, which could hurt not only this deal but also any other agreements that are currently in place.

The relationship between Pakistan and the United States will likely become even more rocky in the future. We are grateful to the Pakistani Army for their superior organisation.
The US will deal with the devil if it-suits them. For them IK, Bajwa, waja and Showbaza Shareef and Asif Zardari are all the same---pawns and a means towards an end to achieve what it wants to achieve. Their MO will always be to moisten the deal, then threaten and then come on to the table and negotiate. All 3 stages are tried in sequence to achieve whatever needs to be achieved. Looking at our great leaders of the past they have wilted at the first or second stage except possibly IK. IF the deep state had supported IK and not made an arbitrary deal with the US admin for short term personal gains Pakistan would eventually still have achieved all its aims but with a negotiated settlement. Lying down flat in front of the US admin like Musharraf and now the current setup only means the US admin gets the job done for cheaper. Kissinger came to Isloo to go to China with a 3 billion dollar check. We were the fools-who acted magnanimously whereas we should have asked him what he had in his mind when he asked what can he do for Pakistan. In a way that money might have done no good as it might have gone in some private account st elsewhere. However it is just proving a point.
We need to step out of Pind Dadan Khan and learn the ways of the world.
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We are needless investing on older F 16 than we need to get them modified to block 52 cost us time and money rather than buy new ones with better airframe life even cost of new F 16 are 20 more compare to these old with new F 16 we can use them for further
What are you babbling about? Yiu get that the Jordanian F-16 all underwent SLEP and MLU 6 right? Do you just babble or do you actually read what these things are because multiple senior members here have patiently tried to explain to you what that means. It means they are equal in electronic capabilities to block50/52+. The SLEP has restored their airframes and increased their fight hours to 12,000 vs the 8,000 the original frame was built with. So you are getting a bird that is equal to block 50/52+ for $16M instead of shelling out $50M+ for a new build. With 180 3rd gen fighters to replace and if youncan get a chunk of them replaced @$16M per plane instead of ~$50M per pop (J-10 and Block 50/52+) why wouldn't you? Also of they are already that standard, given indian performance during balakot and russian performance over Ukraine, block 50/52+ and MLU are more than adequate to deal with IAF in conjunction with block 3 and J-10. No need to chase a V upgrade in the current financial climate.
 
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Incorrect information.
For PAF fighter pilots casualties in fighter jet crashes are higher than IAF fighter pilots casualties in fighter jet crashes, despite being smaller in size.
Crash rate as % of fleet size is also higher for PAF than IAF.
Ok - I don’t trust you
Bring the numbers
 
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The US will deal with the devil if it-suits them. For them IK, Bajwa, waja and Showbaza Shareef and Asif Zardari are all the same---pawns and means towards an end to achieve what it wants to achieve. Their MO will always be to moisten the deal, then threaten and then come on to the table and negotiate. All 3 stages are tried in sequence to achieve whatever needs to be achieved. Looking at our great leaders of the past they have wilted at the first or second stage except possibly IK. IFAthe deep state had supported IK and not made an arbitrary deal with the US admin for sbort term personal gains Pakistan would eventually still have achieved all its aims but with a negotiated settlement. Lying down flat in front of the US admin like Musharraf and now the current setup only means the US admin gets the job done for cheaper. Kissinger came to Isloo to go to China with a 3 billion dollar check. We were the fools-who acted magnanimously whereas we should have asked him what he had in his mind when he asked what can he do for Pakistan. In a way that money might have done no good as it might have gone in some private account st elsewhere. However it is just proving a point.
We need to step out of Pind Dadan Khan and learn the ways of the world.
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Generally agree with you but would like to point out that everything and everyone has a price. Americans are in a position to raise the price (note that it's not just the cash but it could be a price in terms of economic, tactical, strategic gains, etc.) Can Pakistan pay that price? Well it depends what is at stake. For nuke program, we were willing (and we did) to pay whatever is required of. We even sarcified our paid-off F-16s. In future, we'll do the same if needed. But normally it's a give-and-take kind of situation in most cases. If we have a smart leader in future, he/she would really try to have a bargain as much at favorable terms as possible.
 
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12 IAF fighter pilots killed since 2012 compared to PAF fighter pilots.
50 vs 31 crashes.
Eh, our guys stick around long enough to the last min to recover the Jet - because its an asset of the State. They don't bail out at the first sight of a Master Caution & pull the Ejection Handle.

However, those are pretty interesting figures you've put up. You'll pardon me if I don't take your word for it. Its nothing personal..., I just don't trust you.

However, here are some figures you can look up.

World Record for Most Crashes in a Calendar Year - during Peace times

2019
28 January:
Jaguar crashed shortly after takeoff in Uttar Pradesh.

01 February: A Mirage 2000 crashed while on an acceptance sortie after being upgraded by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) killing both Pilots.

12 February: A MiG-27 crashed at the Pokhran firing range.

19 February: Two Hawk aircraft of Surya Kiran aerobatic team crashed after hitting each other mid-air during a rehearsal for the AeroIndia Show. One of the pilots was killed in the accident.

27 February: Pakistan shot down one MiG-21 Bison during an aerial fight after India violated the airspace. The pilot ejected safely.

27 February: Pakistan shot down one Su-30MKi during an aerial fight, the pilots ejected safely.

27 February: a Mi-17 chopper was also downed in Budgam District in Indian Occupied Kashmir killing all six on board.

08 March: A MiG-21 (Bison) crashed near Bikaner, western Rajasthan, due to a Bird strike, the pilot ejected safely.

31 March: A MiG-27 (UPG) crashed in Sirohi, Rajasthan, the pilot ejected safely.

03 June: An-32 crashed in Arunachal Pradesh. All 13 declared dead.

08 August: Su-30Mki crash in Tezpur. Both pilots ejected safely.

16 November: MiG-29K crashed in Goa soon after it took off for a training mission. Both the pilots managed to eject safely from the aircraft.
 
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That is no metric at all.
Based on how many flight hours - which airframe and so on.

@Windjammer

- if anything - it may point to PAF pilot eagerness to save both the aircraft and civilian lives.
Saw your post while I was in Pakistan.
For some reason, couldn't log into PDF after first couple of days.
@ Topic, it's no brainer that PAF pilots till last minutes try to save assets both in the air and ground.... While Indian pilots are known to punch the ejection at first sign of an emergency.
It should also be noted that majority of IAF front liners are twin engine Jets.
Giving IAF pilots that extra safety but still...
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Eh, our guys stick around long enough to the last min to recover the Jet - because its an asset of the State. They don't bail out at the first sight of a Master Caution & pull the Ejection Handle.

However, those are pretty interesting figures you've put up. You'll pardon me if I don't take your word for it. Its nothing personal..., I just don't trust you.

However, here are some figures you can look up.

World Record for Most Crashes in a Calendar Year - during Peace times

2019
28 January:
Jaguar crashed shortly after takeoff in Uttar Pradesh.

01 February: A Mirage 2000 crashed while on an acceptance sortie after being upgraded by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) killing both Pilots.

12 February: A MiG-27 crashed at the Pokhran firing range.

19 February: Two Hawk aircraft of Surya Kiran aerobatic team crashed after hitting each other mid-air during a rehearsal for the AeroIndia Show. One of the pilots was killed in the accident.

27 February: Pakistan shot down one MiG-21 Bison during an aerial fight after India violated the airspace. The pilot ejected safely.

27 February: Pakistan shot down one Su-30MKi during an aerial fight, the pilots ejected safely.

27 February: a Mi-17 chopper was also downed in Budgam District in Indian Occupied Kashmir killing all six on board.

08 March: A MiG-21 (Bison) crashed near Bikaner, western Rajasthan, due to a Bird strike, the pilot ejected safely.

31 March: A MiG-27 (UPG) crashed in Sirohi, Rajasthan, the pilot ejected safely.

03 June: An-32 crashed in Arunachal Pradesh. All 13 declared dead.

08 August: Su-30Mki crash in Tezpur. Both pilots ejected safely.

16 November: MiG-29K crashed in Goa soon after it took off for a training mission. Both the pilots managed to eject safely from the aircraft.

nopes, not safely,
they perished eventually.
 
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