Pakistan, Romania to expand ties in field of defence production

[Naif al Hilali]

Bilal speaks of knowledge Alhamdolillah.

Hope everyone liked a first amateur attempt at free verse (if that is what it was; hazy on poetic and grammatical jargon).

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Super PUMA would make a great catch for our NAVY Modernization effort
Capable twin Engine Beast

Fantastic machine fits well into our Doctrine would even be able to launch from our frigate ships or coastal bases

Can be enhanced with Right Tools for the Mission

PUMA means business

Considering the customization options , this is one versatile macine , and if we have a deal to discuss this inducted on "regular" intervals into Pakistani Forces all branches on serial Production basis , it would be a great land mark deal

 

[khanasifm]

Plus for super puma variants and configuration , anti ship, surface etc max 24 seats civilian version not sure how much volume was increased in super puma and combat troops perhaps increased from 20 to 24

Plus for mi17 rear cargo ramp for easy access/loading including vehicle and artillery pieces and internal volume plus capacity up to 30/32 combat troops in condensed mode , local overhaul already setup plus cheap and rugged

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/06/mi17-helicopter-buy.html

 

[gambit]

C-130 design is very old to but still very effective with proper upgrades, can this be said to those helicopters? @gambit @Windjammer

Yes, but using the C-130 is not a good example.

Not because the C-130 is a bad design, but because the C-130's design was unknowingly a 'sweet spot' of engineering that to date extremely difficult to replicate. That 'sweet spot' contains everything, from aerodynamics to airframe layout to usability to robustness and many other factors. I do not think the C-130's original design team had any inkling as to the durability of their creation. You are familiar with the fairy tale 'Goldilocks and the Three Bears', no ? The C-130 is that 'just right' design that any country can use, from a superpower like the US to smaller sea locked countries like Japan.

For the helos of the world, am sure there are several enduring designs but among the most famous is the UH-1 Iroquois, aka 'Huey'. That design is still flying today all over the world. In wars, that design was modified to be troop transport, special operations, gunships, and many other roles.

 

[Penguin]

Romania has around 45 Mig-21 LanceR A/B/C , They could buy our JF-17s to replace these Migs .

http://www.janes.com/article/64152/romania-receives-its-first-f-16-fighter-aircraft
http://www.romania-insider.com/u-s-poland-greece-offer-to-sell-more-f-16-fighters-to-romania/

 

[GumNaam]

http://www.janes.com/article/64152/romania-receives-its-first-f-16-fighter-aircraft
http://www.romania-insider.com/u-s-poland-greece-offer-to-sell-more-f-16-fighters-to-romania/

the problem is the price tag. cash strapped romania can't afford expensive F16s in large numbers.

 

[Penguin]

the problem is the price tag. cash strapped romania can't afford expensive F16s in large numbers.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...ipment-and-support-f-16-block-15-mlu-aircraft

They already got 12, and are in the market for 24 more. Used aircraft from other NATO states. Within NATO equipment is sometimes transferred to other membercountries at relatively low cost, as a form of military aid (e.g. Dutch frigates to Portugal, Brit frigates to Romania). We'll see how price / funding develops.

 

[GumNaam]

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sale...ipment-and-support-f-16-block-15-mlu-aircraft

They already got 12, and are in the market for 24 more. Used aircraft from other NATO states. Within NATO equipment is sometimes transferred to other membercountries at relatively low cost, as a form of military aid (e.g. Dutch frigates to Portugal, Brit frigates to Romania). We'll see how price / funding develops.

I said in "LARGE" numbers, meaning 100+. 36 is significant but can't hold up against a large enemy (whoever that may be for romania, surely not Russia).

 

[Penguin]

I said in "LARGE" numbers, meaning 100+. 36 is significant but can't hold up against a large enemy (whoever that may be for romania, surely not Russia).

Not going to happen. They never intended to get more than 48.

The air force of 1989 had fifteen interceptor squadrons, three with fifteen MiG-23 fighters each (45 total) and twelve with similar numbers of MiG-21 fighters (180 total). The air force had six ground attack squadrons operating eighty-five 1950s-era MiG-17 aircraft made in the 1950s, which had been modified and transferred from duty as interceptors when Romania acquired the MiG-21, and thirty-five Romanian-built IAR-93 Orao ground-attack fighters. In 1989 the air force had an additional 125 Orao close air-support aircraft on order. Aerostar, DaimlerChrysler and Israel’s Elbit developed the Sniper as an upgrade for about 18 MiG-29 ‘Fulcrum-As’ in service with Romanian air force.

Given the security guarantees gained once Romania became a full member of the NATO Alliance, the number of fighting squadrons of the Romanian Air Force was diminished by two squadrons. Despite programs for upgrading the MiG-29, Romania decided to withdraw the MiG-29 from service and focus on the MiG-21 Lancer (the modernized version of the MiG-21M/MF) as its prime combat aircraft.The LanceR program saw the upgrade of a total of 114 MiG 21 airframes in three versions: the ground attack version (LanceR A), the two seater trainer version with ground attack capabilities (LanceR B) and the air superiority version (LanceR C). The MiG-21 would be in service until they run out of technical resources. Until 2010, 50 percent of them would be unsupportable, while the rest of them would remain in service for another four years.The MiG-21 upgrade program has been a major element in the regeneration of the RoAF and the Romanian aerospace industry following the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

Romania began its search for a new fighter in the early 2000s, with the aim of replacing the LanceRs in 2010/11 with 48 new aircraft. The Romanian air force was prepared for its first delivery of a batch of 12 second hand F-16s from the Portuguese air force in September 2016 to replace the locally upgraded Mikoyan MiG-21 Lancers. Initial operating capability of the aircraft, which cost the government $695 million, was expected in early 2017. Romania modernized the Fetesti 86 military base which will host the first F16 fighters. On 24 February 2016 the Romanian Ministry of Defense announced plans to purchase 12 more second-hand F-16 fighters in 2017. The airplanes will be purchased from other NATO member states.

Great pics here https://theaviationist.com/2015/12/24/air-to-air-photographs-roaf-mig-21s/

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

Pakistan can ask Romania Brotherly Country modification according to Pakistan Requirements too which is good sign for both countries cooperation.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

What is Romania's main trade or economic focus ?

We don't hear much about Romania in world economy talk

 

[GumNaam]

Not going to happen. They never intended to get more than 48.

The air force of 1989 had fifteen interceptor squadrons, three with fifteen MiG-23 fighters each (45 total) and twelve with similar numbers of MiG-21 fighters (180 total). The air force had six ground attack squadrons operating eighty-five 1950s-era MiG-17 aircraft made in the 1950s, which had been modified and transferred from duty as interceptors when Romania acquired the MiG-21, and thirty-five Romanian-built IAR-93 Orao ground-attack fighters. In 1989 the air force had an additional 125 Orao close air-support aircraft on order. Aerostar, DaimlerChrysler and Israel’s Elbit developed the Sniper as an upgrade for about 18 MiG-29 ‘Fulcrum-As’ in service with Romanian air force.

Given the security guarantees gained once Romania became a full member of the NATO Alliance, the number of fighting squadrons of the Romanian Air Force was diminished by two squadrons. Despite programs for upgrading the MiG-29, Romania decided to withdraw the MiG-29 from service and focus on the MiG-21 Lancer (the modernized version of the MiG-21M/MF) as its prime combat aircraft.The LanceR program saw the upgrade of a total of 114 MiG 21 airframes in three versions: the ground attack version (LanceR A), the two seater trainer version with ground attack capabilities (LanceR B) and the air superiority version (LanceR C). The MiG-21 would be in service until they run out of technical resources. Until 2010, 50 percent of them would be unsupportable, while the rest of them would remain in service for another four years.The MiG-21 upgrade program has been a major element in the regeneration of the RoAF and the Romanian aerospace industry following the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

Romania began its search for a new fighter in the early 2000s, with the aim of replacing the LanceRs in 2010/11 with 48 new aircraft. The Romanian air force was prepared for its first delivery of a batch of 12 second hand F-16s from the Portuguese air force in September 2016 to replace the locally upgraded Mikoyan MiG-21 Lancers. Initial operating capability of the aircraft, which cost the government $695 million, was expected in early 2017. Romania modernized the Fetesti 86 military base which will host the first F16 fighters. On 24 February 2016 the Romanian Ministry of Defense announced plans to purchase 12 more second-hand F-16 fighters in 2017. The airplanes will be purchased from other NATO member states.

Great pics here https://theaviationist.com/2015/12/24/air-to-air-photographs-roaf-mig-21s/

Well good for them. But if they change their mind then we'll talk.

 

[Penguin]

Well good for them. But if they change their mind then we'll talk.

Is the JF-17 completely compatible to NATO standards and systems?