Pakistan Rejects Indian Request to Open Air Space

[mastaan]

Smarty pants, you are already bending backwards by requesting us. Perhaps you dont know things that your establishment is fully aware?

It is actually disclosed fact - It does hurt. but a drop in the larger scheme of things. It was stated that Air India lost around 500 crore INR (80mn USD) in 6 months due to this. the losses of other airlines were max 25 crores (around 4mn USD) and smallest was some few hundred k USD.. Air India lost 7500 crores last year, without this.. You think, this is the biggest problem the Aviation ministry has? Keeping all the chest thumping aside.. if you think so; great economics understanding.

 

[Meengla]

But opening air space itself is an act of deescalation. What you’re referring to is blackmail.

But answer honestly, would Pakistan do this if The roles were switched and India was blackmailing you into removing your army from the frontlines? Or for that matter asking you to make any concessions on what you consider your posture on national security?

Pretty strange comparison and I give you an A+ for obfuscation!! So moving your fighter jets to a striking posture vs closer of the civilian airspace are comparable? Your posture indicates not just a "blackmail" but a clear threat to strike Pakistan because--five months or not--you guys have been licking your wounds and are constantly on the lookout for an opportunity.

In contrast, Pakistan is asking to de-escalate by removing the threat of the war. Pretty reasonable demand. And, no, opening of Pakistan's airspace will NOT be de-escalation if India continues its enhanced posture to attack--that should be obvious to anyone.

I can't say what would Pakistan do if/when roles were reversed.

Be as it may... you can have your war-mongering posture. We will have our airspace closure. Yes, the Indian economy can take the hit. And so can Pakistan's economy.

 

[Peshwa]

Smarty pants, you are already bending backwards by requesting us. Perhaps you dont know things that your establishment is fully aware?

And you have inside knowledge into the Indian establishment and it’s mindset? Lol
Asking is our right, just as rejecting is yours.
Doesn’t mean we’re giving you concessions.
Like I said, the juice has to be worth the squeeze.

Pretty strange comparison and I give you an A+ for obfuscation!! So moving your fighter jets to a striking posture vs closer of the civilian airspace are comparable? Your posture indicates not just a "blackmail" but a clear threat to strike Pakistan because--five months or not--you guys have been licking your wounds and are constantly on the lookout for an opportunity.

In contrast, Pakistan is asking to de-escalate by removing the threat of the war. Pretty reasonable demand. And, no, opening of Pakistan's airspace will NOT be de-escalation if India continues its enhanced posture to attack--that should be obvious to anyone.

I can't say what would Pakistan do if/when roles were reversed.

Be as it may... you can have your war-mongering posture. We will have our airspace closure. Yes, the Indian economy can take the hit. And so can Pakistan's economy.

Then it’s settled.
You won’t budge on your national security (closing airspace) and we won’t budge on ours (moving our frontline fighters from forward bases).

Tit for tat is opening the airspace to each other, not compromising national security to assist civil aviation. That’s blackmail. Period!

But you can see it anyway you want.
I simply gave my opinion, you’re entitled to yours.

 

[Peshwa]

Stop lecturing us on how big and good indain airline business is or how it works ,,,, we have zero interest in those details... Who gives a shit when it going to end , but this closure will bring that end near , that is why you and people like you trying their best to lecture Pakistanis for opening up the air space .. Keep your 2cents to you, use them for bailout or as family support fund for thousands of jobless Indians.. Rest time is already telling you all..

Hahahaha
Now we have to take lecture about how to handle our economy from Pakistan?

one doesn’t take financial advice from beggars. Save your advice for the likes of Somalia.
We have nothing more to discuss.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

And you have inside knowledge into the Indian establishment and it’s mindset? Lol
Asking is our right, just as rejecting is yours.
Doesn’t mean we’re giving you concessions.
Like I said, the juice has to be worth the squeeze.

Let's put it this way, you got absolutely tonked, during op swift retort, got your military installations pinged while your military hierarchy inside, lost jets and a helicopter as a own goal, then get punished by Pakistan by airspace closure, top that, now Pakistan is telling your establishment to go back to your peace time locations (within your territory) with your tails tucked firmly between your legs, only then the airspace will open. That is a very in your face demand, dictating Indian military on our terms. Pakistani establishment ain't stupid to demand such tough conditions from India without knowing the score.

We are not squeezing any juice mate, it's the balls we are after.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hahahaha
Now we have to take lecture about how to handle our economy from Pakistan?

one doesn’t take financial advice from beggars. Save your advice for the likes of Somalia.
We have nothing more to discuss.

And you are shamelessly using Pakistani Forum for your begging (for opening up the airspace) we can see who is beginning here in this thread.. Feeling Pity on you must be hard for you to come on Pakistani forum and beg for airspace opening …...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

It is actually disclosed fact - It does hurt. but a drop in the larger scheme of things. It was stated that Air India lost around 500 crore INR (80mn USD) in 6 months due to this. the losses of other airlines were max 25 crores (around 4mn USD) and smallest was some few hundred k USD.. Air India lost 7500 crores last year, without this.. You think, this is the biggest problem the Aviation ministry has? Keeping all the chest thumping aside.. if you think so; great economics understanding.

If it's just a drop then why need for India to come to us with request? And look at the condition imposed on India Pakistan for reopening. Indian military has to go back to its peacetime locations, basically dictating Indian military as to what it should do within it's own borders!!

Why you Indians are so clueless in seeing the bigger picture?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

And you have inside knowledge into the Indian establishment and it’s mindset? Lol
Asking is our right, just as rejecting is yours.
Doesn’t mean we’re giving you concessions.
Like I said, the juice has to be worth the squeeze.



Then it’s settled.
You won’t budge on your national security (closing airspace) and we won’t budge on ours (moving our frontline fighters from forward bases).

Tit for tat is opening the airspace to each other, not comprising national security to assist civil aviation. That’s blackmail. Period!

But you can see it anyway you want.
I simply gave my opinion, you’re entitled to yours.

Right.... so evil pk is "blackmailing" poor old India. What utter nonsense, spoken as though there is zero context to these events.

Good thing JFK didn't have such morality policemen around as you during the Cuban missile crisis.

Preserving the precarious balance of power along the border is our right and a matter of absolute national security. ALL means available will be used to preserve that status quo.

Just as india attempted to alter the terms of peacetime with your laughable and ultimately failed surgical strikes - met with an equally appropriate response, now you think we will sit back and let you gain ground by advancing your jet starting positions? Did Bhindia sit back and chill when Tiger Hill was taken? Did pk relax when India tested its nukes?

Whether it's advancing your jets towards the border, your troops in Siachen, or even your propaganda in the media war, Pakistan will respond. So no point crying "blackmail" when you get that response.

 

[Meengla]

Tit for tat is opening the airspace to each other, not compromising national security to assist civil aviation. That’s blackmail. Period!

Answer me one thing in honesty: Why does India need the attacking posture if India had allegedly killed '300 terrorists' and had 'shot down an F16'? In your official narrative, you had already 'taught Pakistan a lesson'.

You know the answer.

That's because you were told lies. And some of you believed that but not enough believed that. So what you so euphemistically are calling 'compromising national security' is nothing but a planned REVENGE attack to save face because of what happened in Feb. 2019. You didn't need the enhanced posture before Feb. 2019 so why now?!

I don't expect an honest answer from you. But it is for the all the neutral PDF members here to judge what's happening. You were exposed in Feb. 2019 and you are exposed now.

De-escalate and save lives!! We took the Atlantique shoot down on the chin. So should you take the Feb. 2019 incidents. Move on.

We are not squeezing any juice mate, it's the balls we are after.

That was brutal! I guess that was coming after repeated mentions of squeezing for juice!!

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Oh we know the Pakistani love for balls.
Your country has been tea bagged by nearly everyone with a pair, so not surprised you lot love the balls. Gobble gobble lol.

But like I said, you can make any demand, doesn’t mean it will be complied with. That’s where you have to learn negotiation. Making a demand isn’t.

I am sure you know the difference between squeezing the balls and licking them, later is the trait India excel in, no doubt about that. The fact that you lot requesting/begging/licking our balls to open the airspace , despite knowing what happened on 27th Feb, prove this without any shadow of doubt.

Either comply or status quo will remain. Thank you very much, now you and India can piss off.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The bharati hypocrisy is mind boggling seriously. A few weeks ago, Amit Shah was conflating cricket with national security and here some Indian posters cry "foul" when Pakistan conflates national security with national security.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

If you haven’t noticed, I’m pissing in your den. But you’re too clueless to know and think it’s raining lol

Is this the best you come up with ,, shame on you , now keep crying dirty ganga .. lmao We don't even going to piss in your den you have millions of your on doing that for us..

 

[Mujahid Memon]

This is just making Pakistan look scared now.

Then why are u begging?? Bhikhari nation!!

 

[maximuswarrior]

Indians have begged a few times now.

Never allow our airspace to be used by India.

 

[1Paki$tani]

This is just making Pakistan look scared now.

So scared that we are shivering and begging you to accept our proposal to open the air space for you guys.