Pakistan Purchasing 4 MI35 from Russia. Deal is done

[Hurter]

I am in my 30s

Insha-Allah, you will see everything in your lifetime.. Even more. God Bless you

 

[Arsalan]

We badly required those and we need at least 20 and 40 will be a correct figure and it will help us in our disaster management team

Not really. For attack helicopters PAA will prefer getting more Cobra as they have lots of experience with them and also we have trained maintenance staff and facilities. The 15 AH-1Z Vipers from US is a right step. Only if we can get 15 - 20 more that will meet our requirement. The other options is to get 36 - 40 Z-10 from China. We have already taken delivery of 3 hat we being currently evaluated in actual battle environment of operation zar-e-azab. The evaluation may lead to induction of more Z-10 (may also see some modifications as we usually do with Chinese stuff that we buy from them). IN all this, there is not much space for a third type of attack helicopter. Will increase operational costs and will be difficult to maintain.

 

[My-Analogous]

Not really. For attack helicopters PAA will prefer getting more Cobra as they have lots of experience with them and also we have trained maintenance staff and facilities. The 15 AH-1Z Vipers from US is a right step. Only if we can get 15 - 20 more that will meet our requirement. The other options is to get 36 - 40 Z-10 from China. We have already taken delivery of 3 hat we being currently evaluated in actual battle environment of operation zar-e-azab. The evaluation may lead to induction of more Z-10 (may also see some modifications as we usually do with Chinese stuff that we buy from them). IN all this, there is not much space for a third type of attack helicopter. Will increase operational costs and will be difficult to maintain.

my mistake i thought it was MI38 and news is about MI28 .We badly need

Specifications (Mi-38)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1/2 – one or two (for passenger transportation) pilots
• Capacity: 30 passengers ( under the AP-29 airworthiness regulations )
• Length: 19.70 m ()
• Rotor diameter: 21.10 m ()
• Height: 5.13 m ()
• Disc area: 349.5 m² ()
• Empty weight: 8,300 kg ()
• Loaded weight: 14,200 kg ()
• Powerplant: 2 × Klimov TV7-117V or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW127/TS turboshaft, 1,864 kW (2,800 shp) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 320 km/h ( at 500 m )
• Range: 920 km with main tanks full ()
• Service ceiling: 3,100 m (static ) 8,300 m ( dynamic ) (21,320 ft)
• Rate of climb: 9.2 m/s (1 811 ft/min)
• Disc loading: 41 kg/m² (8.3 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

 

[Arsalan]

my mistake i thought it was MI38 and news is about MI28 .We badly need

Specifications (Mi-38)
General characteristics

• Crew: 1/2 – one or two (for passenger transportation) pilots
• Capacity: 30 passengers ( under the AP-29 airworthiness regulations )
• Length: 19.70 m ()
• Rotor diameter: 21.10 m ()
• Height: 5.13 m ()
• Disc area: 349.5 m² ()
• Empty weight: 8,300 kg ()
• Loaded weight: 14,200 kg ()
• Powerplant: 2 × Klimov TV7-117V or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW127/TS turboshaft, 1,864 kW (2,800 shp) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 320 km/h ( at 500 m )
• Range: 920 km with main tanks full ()
• Service ceiling: 3,100 m (static ) 8,300 m ( dynamic ) (21,320 ft)
• Rate of climb: 9.2 m/s (1 811 ft/min)
• Disc loading: 41 kg/m² (8.3 lb/ft²)
• Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)

No problem,
but
actually, we dont need this Mi38 badly either!

Pakistan operate 150 odd Mi-17 helicopter. That is a HUGE fleet considering the numbers we operate in other different platforms. Mi-17 is also a proven design, robust and reliable. I know people are worried about the recent two crashes but if you look at the records the stats are really good for Mi-17. They have been built in thousands and are serving all around the world. There are modernization and upgrade packages available and Pakistan have exercised a few as well. Also a big plus is the new production facility in china. So if there is a need to expand the transport helicopter fleet or a need to replace the older helicopters with better and newer ones, Mi-17 will be the first choice rather then inducting a new platform that is not certified as yet, not even in operational use/active duty such as Mi-38.

 

[saadee]

Insha-Allah, you will see everything in your lifetime.. Even more. God Bless you

Thanks for the beautiful words. God bless u brother

 

[ejaz007]

Pakistan Finalizes Hind Deal With Russia

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan and Russia on Wednesday finalized a deal for the purchase of four Hind helicopter gunships, a number that is expected to grow.

However, beyond saying an agreement had been signed for four helicopters, local officials provided no further details.

The Ministry of Defence Production, which handles acquisition, did not return a request for comment on the agreement, such as a time frame for further deliveries or if they were specifically for counter-terrorism duties.

Both nations signed an agreement in November to cooperate on counter-narcotics and counter-terrorism issues, with the provision of defense equipment being made in this context.

Analysts here have stated the Mi-35s will be used to support special forces missions, especially the Special Operations Task Force, which is heavily involved in fighting in the Tribal Areas against the Pakistani Taliban, its allies and affiliates.

According to Russia's TASS news agency, a draft contract for four Mi-35M 'Hind E' helicopters was given to Pakistan in June. Pakistan's Army chief, Gen Raheel Sharif, made a trip to Moscow around the same time where it is believed the deal was agreed upon.

According to analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank, the Hind fulfills a longstanding requirement.

"The Pakistan Army has been looking to procure Mi-35 type helicopters for some time, in fact since early '90s. It is a very versatile helicopter and it meets the requirement for [counter-insurgency] operations in the northwest, since it is one of the very few armored assault helicopters. It can carry eight fully equipped special operations soldiers and it is armed to protect itself and suppress enemy ground fire," he said.

Efforts to acquire such helicopters increased in the post-2001 environment.

"Post 2001, the Pak Army pushed to purchase Mi-35 because it has a lot of common engineering features with Mi-17, which they have more than 60."

The deal has been pursued since 2009.

The number of helicopters agreed upon is far lower than expected, however. At Pakistan's biennial defense exhibition IDEAS held in Karachi in December, a representative from Russian Helicopters told Defense News that the number under discussion was "more than five."

Analysts have said the number under discussion was 20.

Khan said Russia's current economic downturn has dictated the reduction in number for the time being.

"Initial requirement for Mi-35 was for 20 helicopters, which was supported with a line of credit provided by the Russians worth $2 billion," he said. "However, after the sanctions imposed on Russia by the EU and the USA, this line of credit was not possible."

Consequently, Pakistan's "Ministry of Defense was recently allocated funds to purchase four or five with eventual purchase of 20," Khan said.

Pakistan's attempts to acquire replacements for its worn out AH-1F Cobra gunships have taken many turns over the years, and until relatively recently it had been thought the options were between the Chinese WZ-10 and Turkish T-129. Both were heavily promoted to Pakistan.

Three WZ-10s are undergoing an operational evaluation in Pakistan though, and the Hind agreement as well as a $952 million deal to supply 15 AH-1Z gunships to Pakistan cleared in April appears to have shut the door on the T-129.

Analyst, author and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, Brian Cloughley, believes this potential acquisition of three gunship types may be problematic.

"While it makes sense for the Army to acquire more attack helicopters, it is administratively unsound to have as many as three types," he said.

"Training ground crews in servicing and maintenance will be most time-consuming and costly. Given the shaky state of US-Pakistan relations it is understandable that Pakistan wants to diversify, in case there is a congressional decision to cut military aid, as has happened at critical times in the past. But it's an expensive way to go."

In the meantime, the AH-1Z deal also continues to make steady progress. Earlier this week an $85.5 million contract was awarded to Bell Helicopter Textron by the DoD "to conduct research for, and develop updates to, weapons systems as part of a system configuration set (SCS) in support of the H-1 aircraft and the [US] Navy and government of Pakistan."

Email: uansari@defensenews.com

Pakistan Finalizes Hind Deal With Russia

 

[soldier of Putin]

Mi-35 is light years ahead of that AH-1Z junk from America. Go Russian! Hopefully Pakistan rejects that AH-1Z crap from America.

 

[tarrar]

Great news & good news for our special forces, but 4 is not enough. PD should try to acquire at least 30+.

 

[monitor]

Mi-35 is light years ahead of that AH-1Z junk from America. Go Russian! Hopefully Pakistan rejects that AH-1Z crap from America.

Russian helicopter is great but the AH-1Z is not crap either. both have their own role .

Its a flying tank

Its a beast

Confirmed: Pakistan Is Buying New Attack Helicopters From Russia
Islamabad and Moscow signed an agreement for the purchase of four MI-35 Hind gunships.

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In a move possibly inspired by the deepening of U.S.-India defense cooperation, Russia decided to approve the sale of four Mi-35M attack helicopters to Pakistan The Express Tribune reports.

“An agreement was signed between Pakistan and Russian authorities in Rawalpindi for the purchase of four Mi-35 helicopters,” according to a senior Pakistani military official quoted in The Express Tribune.

The military official did not offer details on the planned delivery date of the aircraft or the helicopters’ technical configuration. The deal was likely concluded during Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif’s visit to Russia in June of this year.

Initial talks over the purchase of the helicopters were already held last June. “We are currently holding consultations. We are talking about Mi-35 helicopters, we plan to supply them at the request of the Pakistani anti-drug trafficking agency,” a Russian official said back then. Pakistan plans to officially use the helicopters to fight drug trafficking.

“Following the results of the talks held earlier on helicopters, which Pakistan would like to get from Russia, a draft contract on the delivery of four Mi-35M gunships has been sent to the Pakistani side. Pakistan is now studying the document,” a source within Russia’s state arms exporter Rosoboronexport told The Express Tribune.

Last June, Russia lifted a self-imposed arms embargo against Pakistan, in place since the Soviet-Afghan War, although Moscow, according to Pakistan’s foreign ministry, never fully adhered to it.

The Mi-35M gunships will in all likelihood replace part of the Pakistani military’s fleet of obsolete U.S. made AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters, which are primarily used for counterinsurgency operations in the country.

The Mi-35M attack helicopter, the export version of the Mi-24 gunship, was developed by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant and has been produced in Russia since 2005. Next to serving in the Russian military, the aircraft has been exported to Azerbaijan, Brazil, Iraq, and Venezuela.

The company website of Russian Helicopters notes that the Mi-35 is particularly suited for mountainous terrain and can be deployed “round the clock” in adverse weather conditions. The website notes that the helicopter offers “combat use of guided and unguided weapons in regular and challenging climate conditions” and is “operational for attack flights at altitudes of 10-25 m daytime and 50 m at night over land or water.”

The helicopter can be deployed for a host of different missions, including transporting up to eight paratroopers and carrying military supplies weighing up to 1,500 kg internally and 2,400 kg externally.

 

[SQ8]

Arent we going "Indian" now

Buying anything and everything regardless of logistical headaches.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I rather be in MI-35

 

[Blue Marlin]

Russia-Pakistan Mi-35 Contract Could be Expanded

Russia could potentially sell up to 12 Mi-35 helicopters to Pakistan.

"It all depends on money. Pakistan has stated that it has the financial means for 10-12 helicopters of this type, but negotiations are ongoing," Kabulov told RIA Novosti.

Moscow and Islamabad are discussing possible supplies of Russian defensive weapons to Pakistan, Kabulov added.

"Pakistan has an interest in other Russian weapon systems. Negotiations are underway. We are talking about defensive systems," Kabulov told RIA Novosti.

In March, Pakistani President Mamnoon Hussain announced Islamabad's intention to expand military-technical commerce with Russia with the purchase of Mi-35 gunships.

In August, a contract for four Mi-35M transport and attack helicopters was signed by Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport and Pakistan's Ministry of Defense, according to a spokesperson for the Russian Embassy in Islamabad.

The Mi-35M (NATO Designation Hind-E) is an upgraded export version of the Mi-24V multipurpose assault helicopter, developed by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

The News is About Mi-35 and they are Using Su-35 Picture?????

 

[Blue Marlin]

The News is About Mi-35 and they are Using Su-35 Picture?????

sorry i got it from this site , i know, its confusing

here's the source
also changed the pic
Russia-Pakistan Mi-35 Contract Could be Expanded

No problem,
but
actually, we dont need this Mi38 badly either!

Pakistan operate 150 odd Mi-17 helicopter. That is a HUGE fleet considering the numbers we operate in other different platforms. Mi-17 is also a proven design, robust and reliable. I know people are worried about the recent two crashes but if you look at the records the stats are really good for Mi-17. They have been built in thousands and are serving all around the world. There are modernization and upgrade packages available and Pakistan have exercised a few as well. Also a big plus is the new production facility in china. So if there is a need to expand the transport helicopter fleet or a need to replace the older helicopters with better and newer ones, Mi-17 will be the first choice rather then inducting a new platform that is not certified as yet, not even in operational use/active duty such as Mi-38.

i disagree.

pakistan would benefit from the mil 38. yes the mil 17 is an excellent work horse but pakistan should look at replacing older models with the mil 38. after all it is the successor to the mil 17.

 

[HRK]

"Pakistan has an interest in other Russian weapon systems. Negotiations are underway. We are talking about defensive systems," Kabulov told RIA Novosti.

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